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Old 7th October 2019, 09:56 PM   #1801
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
The one I posted does.
The one you posted I didn't read
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Old 7th October 2019, 10:03 PM   #1802
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
The one you posted I didn't read
You might want to. It does, after all, explain exactly how and why climate change increases the risk of malaria.
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Old 7th October 2019, 10:11 PM   #1803
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
You might want to. It does, after all, explain exactly how and why climate change increases the risk of malaria.
Cool
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That is kind of what my guess was tbf.

The bit about minimum temperature to mature is quite interesting though.
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Old 7th October 2019, 10:15 PM   #1804
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Cool
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That is kind of what my guess was tbf.

The bit about minimum temperature to mature is quite interesting though.
Yes it is. And your article explains how similar changes in the environment can increase the risk of other mosquito-borne diseases such as dengue and zika.

Quote:
“Q fever is something that is carried by a lot of wild and domesticated animals,” said Coleman. “As climate change degrades their habitat through fires and drought, these animals go looking for green grass and fresh water [and] they find themselves on golf courses and on retirees’ two-acre blocks.”

Coleman said the problem comes when the infected animals defecate on the lawns and the poo is then run over by humans with lawnmowers. “It becomes airborne, it becomes this highly, highly transmissible toxin, that’s why it’s being described, even by the Lancet medical journal, as a bioweapon in our own backyard.”
Which is also interesting.
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Semi interesting fact you probably already know.

Only female mosquitoes bite, so you can't get Malaria from males.

Chicks eh?

They need the blood for making eggs I think.
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No, a young mosquito is called a larva. Chicks are baby hens.
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Old 7th October 2019, 10:44 PM   #1807
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
No, a young mosquito is called a larva. Chicks are baby hens.
Technically a chick is any baby bird.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Technically a chick is any baby bird.
Technically you are correct. And as we all know, that is the best kind of correct.
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Old 7th October 2019, 10:56 PM   #1809
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Technically you are correct. And as we all know, that is the best kind of correct.
I'm going the logic fallacy route.

Birds have wings and can fly
Mosquitoes have wings and can fly
Therefore mosquitoes must be birds
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The chart I found -- based on numbers from the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration -- shows the temperature rise accelerating in the past decade. If this trend continues in the next decade, by 2030 the world could be in a real climate crisis. I now understand the recent emphasis on 2030. I understand why many scientists believe we are already well beyond the point where the worst effects can be avoided. Yet a concerted effort to try and mitigate this is still stalled because of a lack of overriding public support. Some of the posters here have demonstrated this reality quite well. Some people continue to act like this is all a big joke. But even with them I get the sense they're no longer quite as sure of themselves as they were even a few years ago. But it is getting very late.

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Old 8th October 2019, 06:32 AM   #1811
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
The chart I found -- based on numbers from the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration -- shows the temperature rise accelerating in the past decade.

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Your conclusion or theirs? There are oscillations in the climate system that run on cycles up to 20 years, so you need 20-30 years to get a good handle on the current trend, finding a change in trend would take twice that.

Tamino is a good resource for this, he does a lot of statistical analysis on climate trends and when/if you can determine a change in the trend. Here's an example from August where he finds the current trend stable going back to the mid 70's

https://tamino.wordpress.com/2019/08...ming-how-fast/
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Old 8th October 2019, 07:10 AM   #1812
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Originally Posted by lomiller View Post
Your conclusion or theirs? There are oscillations in the climate system that run on cycles up to 20 years, so you need 20-30 years to get a good handle on the current trend, finding a change in trend would take twice that.

Tamino is a good resource for this, he does a lot of statistical analysis on climate trends and when/if you can determine a change in the trend. Here's an example from August where he finds the current trend stable going back to the mid 70's
I think you forgot a link.
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Originally Posted by crescent View Post
I think you forgot a link.
It's there now
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Old 8th October 2019, 08:14 AM   #1814
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
You might want to. It does, after all, explain exactly how and why climate change increases the risk of malaria.
The best source of climate related information is usually the IPCC assessment reports. The current one, IPCC AR5 was released in 2014, so it's not perfectly up to date, but here is what it has to say on climate related change in infectious diseases:

https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uplo...ap11_FINAL.pdf
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2008-2012. Among the vector-borne diseases shown here, only dengue fever was associated with climate variables at both the global and local levels (high confidence), while malaria and hemorrhagic fever with renal syndrome showed a positive association at the local level (high confidence).
While higher temperatures do make these more common, many locations are also getting dryer, which reduces rates so location matters a lot and only Dengue could be shown to increase globally due to climate change. There could be new science in the last 5 years though.

Anyway, the point being is that attributing increased deaths to diseases other than Dengue is a little mixed, so I avoided referring to it when discussing Greta's comments about climate related deaths happening now. The comment is still accurate it's just more complicated when discussing disease than when looking at deaths in specific climate related events.
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Originally Posted by lomiller View Post
Your conclusion or theirs? There are oscillations in the climate system that run on cycles up to 20 years, so you need 20-30 years to get a good handle on the current trend, finding a change in trend would take twice that.

Tamino is a good resource for this, he does a lot of statistical analysis on climate trends and when/if you can determine a change in the trend. Here's an example from August where he finds the current trend stable going back to the mid 70's

https://tamino.wordpress.com/2019/08...ming-how-fast/

Randall Munroe did a good graph of global temperature change on an extended timeline.

Very impressive.

Or perhaps sobering.
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
Randall Munroe did a good graph of global temperature change on an extended timeline.

Very impressive.

Or perhaps sobering.
Being pedantic, but pretty sure they have the Great Pyramid and Stonehenge the wrong way round.

Or they should be at least a shed load closer to each other
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Being pedantic, but pretty sure they have the Great Pyramid and Stonehenge the wrong way round.

Or they should be at least a shed load closer to each other
He has the Great Pyramid being constructed around 2550 BC, and Stonehenge being completed around 2200 BC. That's about 350 years apart. Wikipedia puts the construction of the Great Pyramid somewhere around 2580-2560 BC.

Wikipedia says the first iteration of Stonehenge was constructed around 3100 BC, but that additional construction and modification continued at the site until about 1600 BC. Munroe seems to be pegging the "completion" to the work done between 2400 BC and 2280 BC ("Stonehenge 3 III"). There was more work done after that, though, up until about 1600 BC, so I'm not sure what his actual criteria were, for calling completion around 2200 BC.

Anyway, he seems to have placed the Great Pyramid and the "completion" of Stonehenge in more or less their appropriate positions on the number line.

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Stonehenge was originally intended to be the revolving base for the Great Pyramid. When it still wasn't working properly after a few centuries, the Egyptians wrote it off and built the pyramid on the ground instead.

Greta Thunberg does not know this.
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I'm trying to remember where I came across the idea of the Great Pyramid as a unit of measurement.

Something about how it's the largest structure you can put on the ground without the ground giving way, in a single lifetime. Like, one Pyramid is probably the most you can accomplish with dudes stacking rocks, in a single lifetime. Give or take, obviously. But probably it's going to be similar no matter where you build, and how big your workforce.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I'm trying to remember where I came across the idea of the Great Pyramid as a unit of measurement.

Something about how it's the largest structure you can put on the ground without the ground giving way, in a single lifetime. Like, one Pyramid is probably the most you can accomplish with dudes stacking rocks, in a single lifetime. Give or take, obviously. But probably it's going to be similar no matter where you build, and how big your workforce.
I understand the great pyramid is founded on bedrock. Not much chance of that giving way. Bedrock supports much larger structures, such as the Himalayas.
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I should have written that in the past decade the average global temperatures rose at a rate greater than in the previous decade [see chart below]. My point remains the same, if temperatures in the next decade -- 2020-2029 -- continue to rise at the same rate as in the current decade, by 2030 we'll be having serious problems. I'm not pretending to be a scientist -- I'm about as far away from being a scientist as it's possible to get -- but I have read numerous times recently the comment by people who are scientists that by 2030 the effects of global warming will be impossible for all but the most determined to ignore. Very sad.

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Stonehenge was originally intended to be the revolving base for the Great Pyramid. When it still wasn't working properly after a few centuries, the Egyptians wrote it off and built the pyramid on the ground instead.

Greta Thunberg does not know this.

That isn't an uncommon knowledge deficit.
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I understand the great pyramid is founded on bedrock. Not much chance of that giving way. Bedrock supports much larger structures, such as the Himalayas.

Now I need to know:

Is it Him ah lay ahs or Him mahl yahs ?
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Now I need to know:

Is it Him ah lay ahs or Him mahl yahs ?
I say "him-a-LAY-a"
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Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg View Post
Now I need to know:

Is it Him ah lay ahs or Him mahl yahs ?
Don’t ask me. I just wrote it, I’m not going to say it.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
I say "him-a-LAY-a"
Right thats it!

I am sick to death of sexism and LGBT hatred.

I demand it to be pronounced gender neutral and will campaign till my death to have the name changed officially

From this day forth I proclaim the pronunciation "Them-a-LAY-a"
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There's something perversely comical about adults literally resorting to schoolyard style bullying against a teenage youth.
It is no longer comical.
Greta Thunberg: Hanging effigy of teenage climate activist strung up in Rome.
An effigy of teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg hanging by a noose has been strung up under a bridge in Rome.

The puppet features long braided hair and a sign written in English reading: “Greta is your god.”
Thungberg is not even in Europe, which makes this ******** even more cowardly, but looks to be in response to the start of climate protests in Italy on Monday.

I can't find much on the dickless cowards that claim this to be their work - Gli Svegli (The Awake in English).
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It is no longer comical.
Greta Thunberg: Hanging effigy of teenage climate activist strung up in Rome.
An effigy of teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg hanging by a noose has been strung up under a bridge in Rome.

The puppet features long braided hair and a sign written in English reading: “Greta is your god.”
Thungberg is not even in Europe, which makes this ******** even more cowardly, but looks to be in response to the start of climate protests in Italy on Monday.

I can't find much on the dickless cowards that claim this to be their work - Gli Svegli (The Awake in English).
While it is a pretty disgusting thing, it is hardly new.
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Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg View Post
Now I need to know:

Is it Him ah lay ahs or Him mahl yahs ?
Yeah off topic, but I’ve been to the Himalayas, and confirm that both pronunciations are used by Nepalese in about equal measures. Which doesn’t mean much at all as English is their second language. But most of the Himalayas lie within Nepal, so they call the shots. Both are correct.
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Climate activists speak at Standing Rock Reservation

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A medicine man blessed the girls — Tokata Iron Eyes and Greta Thunberg — in what’s known as a smudging ceremony. Then, a circle of men played the drum as everyone in the gym slowly turned to face the four sacred directions.

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To see two teenagers take the stage in the Standing Rock High School gym, “it’s inspirational,” said 13-year-old Chante Baker, who sat in the bleachers with her classmates.

The event is “showing how our country is relying on the youth,” said 17-year-old Wacantkiya Mani Win Eagle, who supported the pipeline protests in 2016.

“It took two youth to get us all together,” said Cody Two Bears, the head of nonprofit Indigenized Energy which opened a solar farm last month near the site of the Dakota Access Pipeline protests. “It’s a very powerful thing to be part of and witness this today.”

In her message to her peers, Iron Eyes said, “We all need clean water and clean air and a safe place to call home. As Indigenous people, our culture and way of life is inherently tied to the environment.”

Tyrel Iron Eyes, a 23-year-old from Standing Rock, said he’s proud of his cousin Tokata, and of Thunberg for getting people to listen to them.

In a closing ceremony, former Standing Rock Chairman Jay Taken Alive gifted Thunberg with a Lakota name: Maphiyata echiyatan hin win, meaning “woman who came from the heavens.”

“Only somebody like that can wake up the world,” he said. “We stand with you. We appreciate you. We love you as a relative.”
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Excellent ! There's another group that's going to quit using oil.

I have a question though. When we're all back to riding around on horses, are the vegans going to be protesting us ?
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I should have written that in the past decade the average global temperatures rose at a rate greater than in the previous decade [see chart below]. My point remains the same, if temperatures in the next decade -- 2020-2029 -- continue to rise at the same rate as in the current decade, by 2030 we'll be having serious problems. I'm not pretending to be a scientist -- I'm about as far away from being a scientist as it's possible to get -- but I have read numerous times recently the comment by people who are scientists that by 2030 the effects of global warming will be impossible for all but the most determined to ignore. Very sad.

This is from NOAA:
You can’t calculate the warming trend with just a decade with of data, at least not accurately. The noise and multiyear oscillations make for error bars that are larger than the actual trend unless you are looking at 20-30 years worth of data.

It’s the same reason you can’t say warming “slowed down” between 1998-2010. Neither the supposed slow down nor the recent “acceleration” differ from the underlying trend by a statistically significant amount.
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Old 9th October 2019, 06:37 AM   #1833
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Wait, are executions in effigy really that bad? Or is it only when it's an effigy of your ox that's being gored?
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Old 9th October 2019, 07:02 AM   #1834
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Right thats it!

I am sick to death of sexism and LGBT hatred.

I demand it to be pronounced gender neutral and will campaign till my death to have the name changed officially

From this day forth I proclaim the pronunciation "Them-a-LAY-a"

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Old 9th October 2019, 07:29 AM   #1835
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Wait, are executions in effigy really that bad? Or is it only when it's an effigy of your ox that's being gored?
Because burning an effigy of a 16 year old gild is totally the same thing as displaying a balloon that looks like a baby Trump wearing a diaper…
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Old 9th October 2019, 10:40 AM   #1836
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Originally Posted by lomiller View Post
Because burning an effigy of a 16 year old gild is totally the same thing as displaying a balloon that looks like a baby Trump wearing a diaper…
And only you made that comparison .......way to knock it down!
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And only you made that comparison
If theprestige had a different comparisons in mind, he should have referenced it. Lacking any specific reference, it’s perfectly reasonable to go to the most recent, highest profile use of an effigy
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Old 9th October 2019, 11:55 AM   #1838
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Originally Posted by Stout View Post
Excellent ! There's another group that's going to quit using oil.

I have a question though. When we're all back to riding around on horses, are the vegans going to be protesting us ?

Only when they have caught up with us but by then they will too knackered to do anything. So, there is no need to worry about this future.
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Old 9th October 2019, 12:08 PM   #1839
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Originally Posted by lomiller View Post
If theprestige had a different comparisons in mind, he should have referenced it. Lacking any specific reference, it’s perfectly reasonable to go to the most recent, highest profile use of an effigy
The first thing that came to my mind was this one.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9125221.html
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Originally Posted by Stout View Post
Excellent ! There's another group that's going to quit using oil.

I have a question though. When we're all back to riding around on horses, are the vegans going to be protesting us ?
Broken record.....
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