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Old 26th September 2019, 11:03 PM   #121
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
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His latest is that anyone who gave information to the whistleblower is no better than a spy and... wink wink nudge nudge... we all know how spies were handled in the past....
Trump's fear of being spied on is developing into a full blown paranoia.
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Old 26th September 2019, 11:14 PM   #122
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
So far, Trump has not shown the intelligence to know when to get out.
Unlike his first two wives.
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Old 26th September 2019, 11:21 PM   #123
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
She can probably do darn near anything more competently than Don.
Talk about damning with faint praise. A magic 8 ball is more competent than Trump!
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Old 26th September 2019, 11:25 PM   #124
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Unlike his first two wives.
Haven't heard from Melanie lately...
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Old 26th September 2019, 11:26 PM   #125
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I don't think his "base" will give a damn, he is doing what they would do if they had the opportunity.
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Old 26th September 2019, 11:32 PM   #126
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Talk about damning with faint praise. A magic 8 ball is more competent than Trump!
The future is not clear.
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Old 26th September 2019, 11:36 PM   #127
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Instead, we've got Trump pretty much talking about how he wants to execute this whistleblower.
...Correction. That Trump wants to execute the staff members who conveyed their concerns to the whistleblower.

Very publicly fantasizing about the mass execution of much of your support staff is not exactly what I would call acceptable or productive behavior. That, alone, is a friggin' huge red flag... which would mean something if it weren't just one more in a huge field of red flags.
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Old 27th September 2019, 01:02 AM   #128
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I don't believe that is all that clear.

The Justice Department has wide latitude to interpret the requirements of such laws and told the DNI that the whistleblower law didn't apply here. The DNI is bound to follow their advice.

Whether Justice came to the right conclusion may be debatable, but there's an argument that the whistleblower law was for finding issues in the intelligence community and the president isn't part of that community. There's an argument to be had there.
No, that's not correct. The law says that if the Inspector General rules the complaint as urgent it is to be delivered to the Intelligence Committee within a week. That's the nature of whistleblower laws. They are designed to not allow personal latitude.
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Old 27th September 2019, 01:16 AM   #129
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If the momentum builds for impeachment such that the Senate has to consider it seriously, would they try for the 25th?

That could be very easy to get anytime, and would avoid inconvenient impeachment evidence coming to light.
The 25th doesn’t really get us much closer to removal. Dudalb has already pointed out that you can use it only on mental or physical incapacity.

Furthermore the process begins by the Cabinet writing a letter to Congress. Then the President gets to write a letter to Congress. And then Congress has 21 days to vote. A 2/3 majority is required in both houses. And I am unsure whether or not the vice president is required to be one of the folks asking for removal.

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on the other hand, I guess some senators might find mentally-unfit-for-office less traitorous to the party than high-crimes-and-misdemeanors. Plus, the 21 days allows for some horse trading and back-room deals.
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Old 27th September 2019, 01:29 AM   #130
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Ok. I have gone almost three years without calling President Trump’s supporters stupid. I can no longer avoid that term.

We’re talking about a president who edited a weather map with a Sharpie. How stupid does one have to be to believe that guy would release a complete and accurate transcript of a phone call showing he violated federal law?
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Old 27th September 2019, 01:33 AM   #131
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God, I wish Peter Jackson would make that Dambusters movie he has been talking about for about Ten years now.
No thanks. The world doesn't need another overly long, bloated, over indulgent CGI mess.

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Old 27th September 2019, 01:35 AM   #132
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The whistleblower whose complaint has led to an impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump is a CIA officer, US media report.

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The unnamed officer once worked at the White House, several US outlets said.

The whistleblower says senior White House officials tried to "lock down" all details of a phone call between Mr Trump and the Ukrainian president.

Mr Trump demanded to know who gave information to the whistleblower, saying the source was "close to a spy".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49848103
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Old 27th September 2019, 01:42 AM   #133
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Congratulations to my friend @SenShelby, our powerful Appropriations Chairman, for his hard work on many strong bills that continue to rebuild our military, invest in border security, and many other priorities. Good work and keep fighting, you are winning!

No one has done more behind the scenes for STRONG BORDER SECURITY than @SenCapito. Her bill passed Committee today with $5B for the BORDER WALL. West Virginia is a great State and Shelley gets it done. Keep it up!
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Old 27th September 2019, 01:43 AM   #134
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The President of Ukraine said that he was NOT pressured by me to do anything wrong. Can’t have better testimony than that! As V.P., Biden had his son, on the other hand, take out millions of dollars by strong arming the Ukrainian President. Also looted millions from China. Bad!

Will be a GREAT and very accurate show tonight by @seanhannity on @foxnews (9:00 PM). Will play my full statement from Air Force One!


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Old 27th September 2019, 03:19 AM   #135
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Trump Tweets

Congratulations to my friend @SenShelby, our powerful Appropriations Chairman, for his hard work on many strong bills that continue to rebuild our military, invest in border security, and many other priorities. Good work and keep fighting, you are winning!

No one has done more behind the scenes for STRONG BORDER SECURITY than @SenCapito. Her bill passed Committee today with $5B for the BORDER WALL. West Virginia is a great State and Shelley gets it done. Keep it up!

Getting a tweet like that would be like winning employee of the month award.
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Old 27th September 2019, 03:23 AM   #136
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Trump's fear of being spied on is developing into a full blown paranoia.
His paranoia is fully justified. No small number of his staff/Administration leaks like the proverbial sieve. Because he's not capable of inspiring true loyalty, and indeed engenders a loathing in many who have any real exposure to the creature.

It will turn out to be his ultimate downfall, this naive and mistaken wandering into the world of politics, where eventually the knives come out in a way impossible in his little family-sized fiefdom where he could rule supreme. His ego-fueled desire to get back at Obama will result in Karma bitch-slapping him into ignominy. A schadenfreude-inducing fate anticipated by many millions around the world. I hope that at the end he at least dimly perceives in his heart of hearts how roundly despised he is, and contrasts that against the knowledge that his nemesis, Obama, is so very much more loved.
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Old 27th September 2019, 03:37 AM   #137
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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Congratulations to my friend @SenShelby, our powerful Appropriations Chairman, for his hard work on many strong bills that continue to rebuild our military, invest in border security, and many other priorities. Good work and keep fighting, you are winning!
What's with the utterly inappropriate superlatives?? And isn't the military already many times bigger and more heavily armed than whoever is second?

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No one has done more behind the scenes for STRONG BORDER SECURITY than @SenCapito. Her bill passed Committee today with $5B for the BORDER WALL. West Virginia is a great State and Shelley gets it done. Keep it up!
Indeed! That border wall on the southern side of West Virginia is going to create so many more coal jobs.
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Old 27th September 2019, 04:25 AM   #138
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It's like during the Obama Administration. Scandal after scandal after scandal... Dijon mustard, tan suits, Michelle's bare shoulders, Obamacare.
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Old 27th September 2019, 04:31 AM   #139
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To show you how dishonest the LameStream Media is, I used the word Liddle’, not Liddle, in discribing Corrupt Congressman Liddle’ Adam Schiff. Low ratings @CNN purposely took the hyphen out and said I spelled the word little wrong. A small but never ending situation with CNN!

Obama loving (wrote Obama book) Peter Baker of the Failing New York Times, married to an even bigger Trump Hater than himself, should not even be allowed to write about me. Every story is a made up disaster with sources and leakers that don’t even exist. I had a simple and very....

.....nice call with with the new President of Ukraine, it could not have been better or more honorable, and the Fake News Media and Democrats, working as a team, have fraudulently made it look bad. It wasn’t bad, it was very legal and very good. A continuing Witch Hunt!
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Old 27th September 2019, 04:41 AM   #140
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The 25th doesn’t really get us much closer to removal. Dudalb has already pointed out that you can use it only on mental or physical incapacity.

Furthermore the process begins by the Cabinet writing a letter to Congress. Then the President gets to write a letter to Congress. And then Congress has 21 days to vote. A 2/3 majority is required in both houses. And I am unsure whether or not the vice president is required to be one of the folks asking for removal.

ETA
on the other hand, I guess some senators might find mentally-unfit-for-office less traitorous to the party than high-crimes-and-misdemeanors. Plus, the 21 days allows for some horse trading and back-room deals.
Does anyone really doubt his mental incapacity

ETA My point being that the GOP could get rid of Trump quite painlessly whenever they want to, as he demonstrates lots of symptoms that they could just choose to stop ignoring.
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To show you how dishonest the LameStream Media is, I used the word Liddle’, not Liddle, in discribing Corrupt Congressman Liddle’ Adam Schiff. Low ratings @CNN purposely took the hyphen out and said I spelled the word little wrong. A small but never ending situation with CNN!
For those with Twitter, spend a moment scrolling through the comments to that tweet! Hilarious, but hard to discribe!
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To show you how dishonest the LameStream Media is, I used the word Liddle’, not Liddle, in discribing Corrupt Congressman Liddle’ Adam Schiff. Low ratings @CNN purposely took the hyphen out and said I spelled the word little wrong. A small but never ending situation with CNN!
"It was the 'hypen' -- that's when I knew I had them!" he said, slowly rolling the steel balls through his tiny fingers.
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Old 27th September 2019, 05:18 AM   #143
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For those with Twitter, spend a moment scrolling through the comments to that tweet! Hilarious, but hard to discribe!
It's not even a hyphen, it's an apostrophe
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Old 27th September 2019, 05:26 AM   #144
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No, that's not correct. The law says that if the Inspector General rules the complaint as urgent it is to be delivered to the Intelligence Committee within a week. That's the nature of whistleblower laws. They are designed to not allow personal latitude.
The law does not actually say that it's up to the IG to determine whether it's urgent or not. The term "urgent" is defined in the text. Thus, whether the IG says it's urgent or not, there is an independent standard for urgency.

There is not a single statement in that law that says if the IG says it's urgent, then it's urgent.[1]

Those in the administration are bound to follow the OLC's judgment in interpreting the laws that apply to their official work. Obviously, in this case where the AG is mentioned in the complaint, this is not ideal, but Maguire went by the book. When he had questions about how to react to the complaint and the IG's report in this (as he said) unprecedented case, he went to the highest authority in the administration for clarification.

I am not commenting on the OLC's response to Maguire's query, only the appropriateness of turning to the OLC.

[1] I had the same opinion as you expressed. I thought that if the IG says it's urgent, then it's urgent. My wife, who is an attorney, went to the text of the law and pointed out that's just not what it says.
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Rep. Adam Schiff fraudulently read to Congress, with millions of people watching, a version of my conversation with the President of Ukraine that doesn’t exist. He was supposedly reading the exact transcribed version of the call, but he completely changed the words to make it...

...sound horrible, and me sound guilty. HE WAS DESPERATE AND HE GOT CAUGHT. Adam Schiff therefore lied to Congress and attempted to defraud the American Public. He has been doing this for two years. I am calling for him to immediately resign from Congress based on this fraud!
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To show you how dishonest the LameStream Media is, I used the word Liddle’, not Liddle, in discribing Corrupt Congressman Liddle’ Adam Schiff. Low ratings @CNN purposely took the hyphen out and said I spelled the word little wrong. A small but never ending situation with CNN!
Um.

So was the apostrophe an accent ague? Is the totally not misspelled word pronounced "lid-lay"?

Shame on CNN for thinking that the apostrophe didn't make everything just right.
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For those with Twitter, spend a moment scrolling through the comments to that tweet! Hilarious, but hard to discribe!
Elie Honig's response cuts right to the heart of the matter. "What the hell are you talking about?"
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Um.

So was the apostrophe an accent ague? Is the totally not misspelled word pronounced "lid-lay"?

Shame on CNN for thinking that the apostrophe didn't make everything just right.
CNN should apologize to Trump for overestimating his intelligence by assuming the apostrophe was a typo and not a magical singular "hyphen" that functions as British style quotation marks.
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I re'eally do'n't se'e wha't th'e b'ig is'ssue i's. Perfectly understandable to me.
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To show you how dishonest the LameStream Media is, I used the word Liddle’, not Liddle, in discribing Corrupt Congressman Liddle’ Adam Schiff. Low ratings @CNN purposely took the hyphen out and said I spelled the word little wrong. A small but never ending situation with CNN!
If I hadn't actually seen this on The PDJT's Twitter account I would not have believed it. I haven't read the comments yet but am prepared for a morning's amusement. Hopefully enough to replace the feeling of alarm that this was actually presented by our Acting President.
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Rep. Adam Schiff fraudulently read to Congress, with millions of people watching, a version of my conversation with the President of Ukraine that doesn’t exist. He was supposedly reading the exact transcribed version of the call, but he completely changed the words to make it...

...sound horrible, and me sound guilty. HE WAS DESPERATE AND HE GOT CAUGHT. Adam Schiff therefore lied to Congress and attempted to defraud the American Public. He has been doing this for two years. I am calling for him to immediately resign from Congress based on this fraud!
He's totally losing it, isn't he? His handlers should get him out to supermarket openings and baby-kissing to get him away from his television set and his phone. He's going to see a whole bunch of things he doesn't like on the news, so he'll keep up the cray-cray for our entertainment value.
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It was a blunder for Schiff to have creatively altered the read-out. It wasn't necessary, and it opened him up to this criticism.
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We're reaching the point where I'd expect the execution might be televised and Donnie himself would pull the switch. Or would he use a bat like DeNiro in "The Untouchables?"

Make America Great Again.

(You imagine someone waking up who's been in a coma since 2014 and reading all of this?)

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We've been watching too many episodes of Scandal, so my imagination got a little out of hand.
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
It was a blunder for Schiff to have creatively altered the read-out. It wasn't necessary, and it opened him up to this criticism.
Trump is free to release the full transcripts of all his calls to disprove Schiff.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Trump is free to release the full transcripts of all his calls to disprove Schiff.
He can't release them, he's being audited by the IRS.

Speaking of which, a rumor is spreading that a second whistleblower is surfacing, encouraged by the first, and this one's IRS. I doubt it's true but I mention it now so I'll look super prescient and smart if it happens.
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"It wasn’t bad, it was very legal and very good."

He also seems to be doubling down on the 2nd grade vocabulary.The dementia-watchers interpret these as signs of his cognitive decline. If not that, then what? Does he do this purposefully because he thinks he's communicating with simpletons in his base?
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Why? there's a perfectly good Dambusters movie that will be more true to the events, ethos and spirit of the time than anything Peter Jackson could spew up.
The SFX in Dambusters are laughable by today's standards. I hear Peter Jackson was inspired to do better when he saw the canyon scene from Star Wars.
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
The law does not actually say that it's up to the IG to determine whether it's urgent or not. The term "urgent" is defined in the text. Thus, whether the IG says it's urgent or not, there is an independent standard for urgency.

There is not a single statement in that law that says if the IG says it's urgent, then it's urgent.[1]

Those in the administration are bound to follow the OLC's judgment in interpreting the laws that apply to their official work. Obviously, in this case where the AG is mentioned in the complaint, this is not ideal, but Maguire went by the book. When he had questions about how to react to the complaint and the IG's report in this (as he said) unprecedented case, he went to the highest authority in the administration for clarification.

I am not commenting on the OLC's response to Maguire's query, only the appropriateness of turning to the OLC.

[1] I had the same opinion as you expressed. I thought that if the IG says it's urgent, then it's urgent. My wife, who is an attorney, went to the text of the law and pointed out that's just not what it says.
Having not actually read the law, and relying solely on second hand information, I'll bow to your more informed opinion.
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