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Old 29th August 2021, 02:28 PM   #121
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
So, you're casting another vote for 600k dead, I guess.
You do realize that's twice you've cast a vote for me? I do believe that's called voting fraud. Expect a visit from Cyber Ninjas.
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Old 29th August 2021, 02:33 PM   #122
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You do realize that's twice you've cast a vote for me? I do believe that's called voting fraud. Expect a visit from Cyber Ninjas.
I am simply respecting the way of your people.
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Old 29th August 2021, 02:33 PM   #123
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
What I'm seeing are people not feeling sorry for people who get Covid and die due to their own choice of not getting vaccinated and/or spreading misinformation about it. I don't see many people actually happy about people dying, but you always have your extremists on either end. There are also people who post outlandish things because they can but who, if they actually had the ability to do so, would not actually do it. Hyperbole runs rampant on the internet. You also just have emotionally disturbed people ranting and just plain trolls trying to make a splash by being outrageous. But Warp is trying to make this about 'the butt hurt Dems' as if all Dems...or even the majority...have that view.

This phenomenon is seen on the far right, too. So called 'patriots' calling for the deaths of commiesocialistlibtards. Remember 'Kill Mike Pence'?
Exactly my point. Those chanting that were the lowest kind of freaks the States have to offer. So should we accept their opposite number right here on this forum? I'd like to think not, no matter how well-intentioned they may be. This is not what the good guys do. It's largely how we know we are the good guys.
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Old 29th August 2021, 02:38 PM   #124
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
And , reading the OP seems to cause trouble for some.

Yes, one of them has forgotten what the opening sentence of the O/P said, and now thinks discussing it is off-topic.
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Old 29th August 2021, 02:39 PM   #125
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Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
Exactly my point. Those chanting that were the lowest kind of freaks the States have to offer. So should we accept their opposite number right here on this forum? I'd like to think not, no matter how well-intentioned they may be. This is not what the good guys do. It's largely how we know we are the good guys.
You've conveniently ignored the rest of my post so it's not 'exactly (your) point' at all.
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Old 29th August 2021, 02:42 PM   #126
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
You've conveniently ignored the rest of my post so it's not 'exactly (your) point' at all.
Sorry, still a little shell-shocked. I mean, shemp even flipped on me. Surreal, how this gets, which circles back to OP's hyperbolic question.
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Old 29th August 2021, 02:44 PM   #127
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
I am simply respecting the way of your people.
You know that 'mass psychosis' you mentioned in an earlier post?
Shall I present the findings of over 60 lawsuits filed by Trump/Trump supporters alleging voter fraud by the Dems?
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Old 29th August 2021, 02:48 PM   #128
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I wish there was never any Covid, even if it meant Trump was still president.

But leaders usually have crises, and those crises usually reveal the true character underneath.

Covid revealed what many already knew, that Trump had nothing of value underneath the slimy salesman exterior.

If it didn't happen now, it would have happened eventually. What is worse than the actual pandemic is that so many Americans haven't learned a thing, and just double-down on previous stupidity.
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Old 29th August 2021, 02:50 PM   #129
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I am simply respecting the way of your people.
Oooo. Edgy tribalism.

"Your people"? WTF is that about? Are you 12?
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Old 29th August 2021, 02:52 PM   #130
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
Oooo. Edgy tribalism.

"Your people"? WTF is that about? Are you 12?
Conservative. Amounts to the same thing when it comes to complex discussions.
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Old 29th August 2021, 03:01 PM   #131
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
Oooo. Edgy tribalism.

"Your people"? WTF is that about? Are you 12?
My people call it 'democracy'.

(Let's see who gets that. )
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Old 29th August 2021, 03:34 PM   #132
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You do realize that's twice you've cast a vote for me? I do believe that's called voting fraud. Expect a visit from Cyber Ninjas.
"What? You only voted twice? You call THAT doing your civic duty?'

Leo DeCapio in "Gangs Of New York".
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Old 29th August 2021, 03:43 PM   #133
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
"What? You only voted twice? You call THAT doing your civic duty?'

Leo DeCapio in "Gangs Of New York".
Hey, blame Warp! He's the one who's been voting for me.
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I'll take "What is sealioning?" for $500, please, Alex.
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Old 29th August 2021, 04:18 PM   #135
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I'll take "What is sealioning?" for $500, please, Alex.
Well yeah, except for the "under the guise of sincerity" part. That never existed in this thread.
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Old 29th August 2021, 04:22 PM   #136
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As a Socialist I find the idea that this board is extremely left leaning hilarious. The idea that the US Democratic party are left wingers even more so.
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Old 29th August 2021, 04:25 PM   #137
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
This board obviously has a tremendous liberal slant.
A non-sequitor preface. That's, er, different.

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I believe that Trump was well on his way to a second term, prior to Covid. That seemed to be the way the wind was blowing, despite 3 years of witch-hunting by butt-hurt Dems. The gamechanger was Covid, which openly exposed Trump as the idiot that he is.
A perverse by-product of Jan 6 is it placed June 1 in a forgotten dustbin. I like to think his demented actions that day -- on top of everything else -- would have sunk him. But then again, there were so many things that seemed like final straws.

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My question is, as a Democrat, what do you think of the trade off? Which would you choose, the current Covid death toll (and a Dem in charge), or a country without the virus, and Trump still ruling?
Indulging this ludicrous alternate history for a moment... one would need to weigh the loss of life versus the loss of the US democratic system. Taking a long view, I'd choose not to lose democracy.
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Old 29th August 2021, 04:34 PM   #138
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As a Socialist I find the idea that this board is extremely left leaning hilarious. The idea that the US Democratic party are left wingers even more so.
Exactly. But what do you expect from people who think democratic socialism, socialism, communism and fascism are synonyms?
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There was no trade off. COVID-19 was Trump's chance to salvage his presidency.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
This statement alone is an example of how immersed in a liberal psychosis this forum really is.
Trumpanzees tend to see anyone left of Trump as a liberal.
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Old 29th August 2021, 04:51 PM   #141
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Not as far as I'm concerned.

If you are living abroad, I lump you into the "International" contingent. Like it, or not. Because, it seems unlikely that you would be voting Democrat here, while taking up residency in a foreign country. Although, it wouldn't surprise me...these are Democrats, after all.
Wow. You really have some dumb views on how reality works.
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Old 29th August 2021, 04:55 PM   #142
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So, basically, you won't give a direct answer to my simple question. I figured as much.
Your question is stupid. It's like asking people if they would rather die of cancer or AIDS.
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There was no trade off. COVID-19 was Trump's chance to salvage his presidency.
Yep pretty much this.
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Wow. You really have some dumb views on how reality works.
I don't know why he's assuming that we're all Democrats. I'm not a member of any party. I just hate stupidity, treason and sedition, so naturally I hat Trump and his supporters.
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So, you're casting another vote for 600k dead, I guess.
Over 600K died and are still dying because of Trump. This is why your question is dumb.
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I don't know why he's assuming that we're all Democrats. I'm not a member of any party. I just hate stupidity, treason and sedition, so naturally I hat Trump and his supporters.
I know why. It's because that isn't in the Trump cult is a Democrat.
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I don't know why he's assuming that we're all Democrats. I'm not a member of any party. I just hate stupidity, treason and sedition, so naturally I hat Trump and his supporters.
There is a mindset among the extreme right wing that if a person is not, at a minimum, borderline fascist, then they must be a democrat.
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Yep pretty much this.
Seriously, coming out of the impeachment, over half of likely voters wanted Trump gone. That sucks as a launching pad for his reelection campaign. He was already tanking with voters with no party affiliation and the Obama/Trump voters. He really had no successes to run on.

https://today.yougov.com/topics/poli...january-1-2020

On 1 January, 2020, Trump only had a 44 percent approval rating. If you dig a bit deeper that was a soft 44 percent because of the size of the "somewhat approve" population. On the other hand, the disapprove was nearly all "strongly disapprove" meaning you had nowhere to go with those voters.

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You've given us a Sophie's choice. There is no good answer. We cannot read the future so saying we'd choose another Trump term is a shot in the dark because we don't know what he could or would have done during that term. Something even worse than Covid could have occurred when an authoritarian, narcissistic, sociopath is "ruling", as you put it, and is backed up by spineless GOP politicians who are scared to death of him. Speaking of "ruling", the term "Freudian slip" comes to mind.

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I was thinking Kobayashi Maru, but to each their own.
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The OP is about Democrats embracing Covid, but there has yet to be any evidence of Democrats doing this. His assumption is that Democrats are happy Covid happened because it got Trump a loss in the election. The problem is that his assumption is based on nothing. Trump was losing more and more popularity prior to Covid. Hell, all Trump had to do to keep his power was to listen to medical experts and respond to Covid as if it was a public health crisis. If he did this, he would have raised his popularity enough to get re-elected. Covid didn't tank Trump's chances at re-election, Trump's inactions about the pandemic did.
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For someone who was whining that I wouldn't answer his question (which I did and linked to), Warp has still failed to answer mine.
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For someone who was whining that I wouldn't answer his question (which I did and linked to), Warp has still failed to answer mine.
Well, even the op was more of a whine than an actual question.
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Over 600K died and are still dying because of Trump. This is why your question is dumb.

This is all that needs saying. Trump's actions and influence have killed and continue to kill people that shouldn't have died. Certain Republican governors are continuing in his footsteps. The gift that keeps on gving.
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Oh and to answer the ******** OP. Yeah, I'd take another four years of a senile mentally ill co-******** over ~~checks death meter~~ 600,000ish largely preventable deaths. Assuming the nuclear launch codes were kept like sulfuric acid away from a toddler.
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Which means, to any casual observer, it would be classified as tremendously liberal. As I stated in my OP.
Only if you look at it through a strictly US-only lens, in which case it's moderately liberal. Through a more international lens, it's centre.
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Only if you look at it through a strictly US-only lens, in which case it's moderately liberal. Through a more international lens, it's centre.
You forget: anything outside the US is superfluous and meaningless. USA! USA! USA! USA!

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You forget: anything outside the US is superfluous and meaningless. USA! USA! USA! USA!

"Outside the US" is the right wing American equivalent of "Here Be Dragons".
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This board obviously has a tremendous liberal slant.

I believe that Trump was well on his way to a second term, prior to Covid. That seemed to be the way the wind was blowing, despite 3 years of witch-hunting by butt-hurt Dems. The gamechanger was Covid, which openly exposed Trump as the idiot that he is.

My question is, as a Democrat, what do you think of the trade off? Which would you choose, the current Covid death toll (and a Dem in charge), or a country without the virus, and Trump still ruling?
Late to the party and I haven't read through the thread yet but I think the premise is baloney. The choice offered is no more real that saying whether you'd prefer the world as it is or the ocean to be made of lemonade. Trump is well gone, and we have not paid a covid price for it. Good riddance.
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
Trumpanzees tend to see anyone left of Trump as a liberal.
Except Trump isn't conservative. Trumpanzees don't have a clue about the liberal conservative spectrum. Trump was into Trump and nothing else. Liberal and Leftist have no meaning anymore to the GOP.
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Except Trump isn't conservative. Trumpanzees don't have a clue about the liberal conservative spectrum. Trump was into Trump and nothing else. Liberal and Leftist have no meaning anymore to the GOP.
True. He was once a Democrat and gave to the Clinton fund. It's not that he 'saw the light' and became a conservative. He just saw where his best chances lay and went with it. Like he always does. If there is one thing that Trump is good at, it's knowing how to take advantage of a situation.
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