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Old 4th June 2020, 04:43 AM   #1
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USB 5G bio-protection - only £800 for a pack of 3

5G Bioshield uses "holographic nano-layer technology".

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"...provides protection for your home and family, thanks to the wearable holographic nano-layer catalyser." And it emits "life force frequencies", so they don't come cheap.

The most harm 5G technology is likely to do you, of course, is if a burning 5G mast falls on you.
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Old 4th June 2020, 04:46 AM   #2
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Where's there is a buck to be made their is a scammer.

Love one of the FAQs:

"When I plug it into my pc, the key is glowing. But when my pc goes into power saving mode the light goes off. Is it still active or does the pc have to be active? Where else can I plug it in?
The key remains active, whatever the light brightness is. Only the radius of action changes. You can put it in any USB port on computers, tablets, etc, or you can plug it into a charger."

Doesn't need any power to work!
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Old 4th June 2020, 04:47 AM   #3
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I weep - £285 - thought it was going to be something like a tenner!
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apparently trading standards are on to it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52810220
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I would buy this is a heartbeat ...
but 5G told me not to.
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Old 4th June 2020, 06:57 AM   #6
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"I also felt a 'calmer' feel to the home," he told BBC News.
If someone in my home spent a grand on three 128Mb flash drives 'calmer' would be the absolute last word that would describe the atmosphere.
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Okay, I can just about get my head around that someone thinks "5G" is "dangerous" because of "X", but how do you then take the step to this load of nonsense?
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When P T Barnum first said (or did not say), "There's a sucker born every minute." The rate of sucker production was evidently much lower than it is today.
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Brings back memories of the GSIC-10 Intelligent Chip that would 'clean' your CDs, but ended up being something like a Nintendo memory card in a different case or the like. In fact I remember it got worked into a discussion here back in 2005.

Found the thread. It's about some other audio woo and the MDC, the chip starts coming into the discussion around this page : http://www.internationalskeptics.com...=36079&page=14

re-reading the thread for nostalgia and it appears the chip is in fact the original item under discussion. I was mistaken. But damn PianoTeacher was insanely verbose!

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Old 4th June 2020, 11:03 AM   #10
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Where's there is a buck to be made their is a scammer.

Love one of the FAQs:

"When I plug it into my pc, the key is glowing. But when my pc goes into power saving mode the light goes off. Is it still active or does the pc have to be active? Where else can I plug it in?
The key remains active, whatever the light brightness is. Only the radius of action changes. You can put it in any USB port on computers, tablets, etc, or you can plug it into a charger."

Doesn't need any power to work!
Itís the truth! The device is equally effective whether the computer is on standby or not. Although they are not advertising it, it is also equally effective if not plugged into anything at all. A miracle.

Very reminiscent of woo audio gear, such as the Brilliant Pebbles that for hundreds of dollars improve your sound experience just by being placed on top of your stereo equipment.
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Originally Posted by p0lka View Post
apparently trading standards are on to it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52810220
ď But, at first sight, it seems to be just that - a USB key, with just 128MB of storage.
"So what's different between it and a virtually identical 'crystal' USB key available from various suppliers in Shenzhen, China, for around £5 per key?" asks Ken Munro, whose company, Pen Test Partners, specialises in taking apart consumer electronic products to spot security vulnerabilities.
And the answer appears to be a circular sticker.
"Now, we're not 5G quantum experts but said sticker looks remarkably like one available in sheets from stationery suppliers for less than a penny each," he says.Ē
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5G Bioshield uses "holographic nano-layer technology".

Linky

"...provides protection for your home and family, thanks to the wearable holographic nano-layer catalyser." And it emits "life force frequencies", so they don't come cheap.

The most harm 5G technology is likely to do you, of course, is if a burning 5G mast falls on you.
Itís not real unless they also use the word quantum. Or wait... I think they did...
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5G Bioshield uses "holographic nano-layer technology".
Can I recommend you ask for the link to be edited out of the post?

Posting links helps their search ranking, so posting it here is almost like a paid ad for the company, who I'm sure, thank you for your help.
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Itís not real unless they also use the word quantum. Or wait... I think they did...
And they have hysterical historical research
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Can I recommend you ask for the link to be edited out of the post?

Posting links helps their search ranking, so posting it here is almost like a paid ad for the company, who I'm sure, thank you for your help.
And I got some sort of malware warning when I clicked it.
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Can I recommend you ask for the link to be edited out of the post?

Posting links helps their search ranking, so posting it here is almost like a paid ad for the company, who I'm sure, thank you for your help.
All links on ISF have the [rel=nofollow] tag automatically added so that doesn't happen. It was implemented years ago so as not to give clicks to conspiracy theory sites.
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This particular device is discussed at length in the latest episode of Skeptics With a K.
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Originally Posted by TX50 View Post
5G Bioshield uses "holographic nano-layer technology".

Linky

"...provides protection for your home and family, thanks to the wearable holographic nano-layer catalyser." And it emits "life force frequencies", so they don't come cheap.

The most harm 5G technology is likely to do you, of course, is if a burning 5G mast falls on you.
Finally!!!!!!
A vaccine for COVID-19!!!!!!!
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At £800 a nostril they are somewhat expensive...... you do stick them up 'yer nose, yeah?
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
Can I recommend you ask for the link to be edited out of the post?

Posting links helps their search ranking, so posting it here is almost like a paid ad for the company, who I'm sure, thank you for your help.
As admin: It doesn't, all links have "no_follow" auto-added.
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The most harm 5G technology is likely to do you, of course, is if a burning 5G mast falls on you.
Don't say that. There's a 5G mast at the end of my block. So far this spring we've already had a quarantine-level plague, two earthquakes, and a race riot. And wildfire season has already started. If there's a USB stick that will prevent 5G fires, I'd consider it.
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I know it's a waste of time to try to figure out what "wearable holographic nano-layer catalyser" means, but.... it's a picture of really thin catalyser? Which you can wear. Allright, then...
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I know it's a waste of time to try to figure out what "wearable holographic nano-layer catalyser" means, but.... it's a picture of really thin catalyser? Which you can wear. Allright, then...
Correct. But note it is holographic so an image, not an actual real object.
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Correct. But note it is holographic so an image, not an actual real object.
Ah! In that case it should work for me to create an image of a really thin catalyser in my mind! And then I'll be protected from harmful 5G radiation! I think it's working already!
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I bet if I was to dig through my Big Bag O' Old Thumb Drives (BBOTD) I could find some with even LESS capacity than 128MB! Those would work even better!
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I bet if I was to dig through my Big Bag O' Old Thumb Drives (BBOTD) I could find some with even LESS capacity than 128MB! Those would work even better!
Oh goody. I have a couple that were actually a key that were designed to used instead of a password for a particular program. Everything I have thrown at them in order to make them useful for data has failed. They actually have ZERO capacity. You can't get more homopathetic than that.
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Where's there is a buck to be made their is a scammer.

Love one of the FAQs:

"When I plug it into my pc, the key is glowing. But when my pc goes into power saving mode the light goes off. Is it still active or does the pc have to be active? Where else can I plug it in?
The key remains active, whatever the light brightness is. Only the radius of action changes. You can put it in any USB port on computers, tablets, etc, or you can plug it into a charger."

Doesn't need any power to work!
I'm sure it works just as effectively without power as it does with power.
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I know it's a waste of time to try to figure out what "wearable holographic nano-layer catalyser" means, but.... it's a picture of really thin catalyser? Which you can wear. Allright, then...
It can't be any good. It's not quantum.
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If you want some laughs one of the people mentioned in the link in the OP has published some papers that might have been computer written. They are complete garbage.

Ref: https://www.ijsr.net/search_index_results.php


Edit. I wonder if you could use your 5G phone within the field?
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If you want some laughs one of the people mentioned in the link in the OP has published some papers that might have been computer written. They are complete garbage.

Ref: https://www.ijsr.net/search_index_results.php
Did you want to point to any one in particular rather than just a search page?

I do like this one tho,
"The true value of the PI number Π = √ 10 = 3.16227766 has been calculated by application of the true concepts and laws of Creation..."
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Did you want to point to any one in particular rather than just a search page?

I do like this one tho,
"The true value of the PI number Π = √ 10 = 3.16227766 has been calculated by application of the true concepts and laws of Creation..."
Sorry I was trying to point to all of his papers. Pity the URL does not work like that. And if anyone was wondering, most of his papers are just as bad as that one.

And the journal appears to be willing to publish anything provided you pay the required fee.
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Did you want to point to any one in particular rather than just a search page?

I do like this one tho,
"The true value of the PI number Π = √ 10 = 3.16227766 has been calculated by application of the true concepts and laws of Creation..."
Wow. I'm almost tempted to download it.
Almost.
I never knew pi was a problem for some religious nuts.
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Wow. I'm almost tempted to download it.
Almost.
I never knew pi was a problem for some religious nuts.
The Bible implies it is three exactly. Something with a diameter of 10 cubits and a circumference of 30.
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The Bible implies it is three exactly. Something with a diameter of 10 cubits and a circumference of 30.
Yeah, but this one gives another completely random number that is not 3.
Oh well, I guess it's not for me to know the insane mind.
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Yeah, but this one gives another completely random number that is not 3.
Oh well, I guess it's not for me to know the insane mind.
I think he is trying to say that, really, what the bible says is that pi is the square root of 10. Which is closer to pi than 3, but still not pi. But at least it's sort of close.
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How can we be sure that quantum nano holographic catalysts are safe?
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How can we be sure that quantum nano holographic catalysts are safe?
Their halo is green.
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