Irrational Fear of This DOLL

mangoxguava · 4th July 2016, 07:58 PM

Hey guys!

I'm new here and came here solely seeking help against this nonsense.

Recently I saw this episode of Deadly Possessions on Travel Channel and it had Robert the Doll on it.

Now I'm a MOSTLY rational and skeptic guy like you all but this just bugs me hard.

I'm having these dark and screwed up thoughts and the image of Robert the Doll keeps appearing at the same time I do.

Things like "ugly", "low value".

At the same time, my mind imagines a pictures of Robert the Doll and I'm scared of any possible "curses".

Can you help me break through this nonsense with cold-hard logic?

I'm afraid of getting cursed by saying bad things about the doll in my head and having bad things happen to me!

I know this fear is irrational and illogical but I can't stop getting anxiety and suffering from it.

Please help. Thank you.

mangoxguava · 4th July 2016, 08:00 PM

My fear stems from the fact that a person on the show who made fun of the doll got a stroke 3 weeks later. Also that tons of people keep sending in letters asking for apology because they got bad luck. (Although this is probably the nocebo affect and the RAS focusing on bad events).

Ron Swanson · 4th July 2016, 08:22 PM

I have no idea what anyone is talking about ..

pics of fearful doll??

mangoxguava · 4th July 2016, 08:29 PM

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This is the doll....!

gerdbonk · 4th July 2016, 09:10 PM

If you are having severe anxiety, please see a therapist.

There is nothing about a TV show telling a scary story about an old doll in museum that should cause anyone undue fear. The target audience for this show is people who enjoy being scared or creeped out by so-called "unexplained" things. It is 100% entertainment and advertising for the guy's museum.

If you are being honest about the level of your irrational fear, then be honest about seeking treatment for it. It is likely that the source of your issue is something other than this doll.

Skeptic Ginger · 4th July 2016, 09:18 PM

It appears that deadly dolls are a common occurrence on Deadly Possessions on the Travel Channel.

Here's the one the OP refers to.

Dude, if haunted doll were as common as the stories go, someone would have won the MDC by now.

mangoxguava · 4th July 2016, 09:20 PM

Thank you guys who responded!

I've finally found peace!

I did some research and found people that had actually personally came into contact with the doll.

Needless to say. It's all a marketing ploy to bring in tourism to Key West, Florida.

Evidence:

1. There's no sources of where the curse came from and the maid who placed some black magic on the doll is "just theory" without evidence.

2. It's just a mail order toy from Germany and there was IN FACT no servant of the Otto family that put any curse on the doll. The servants and family were close friends too!

3. The owners admit that the media and everything else exaggerates everything that happens with the doll to stir up tourism.

4. The current caretaker of the doll has good luck and no bad luck. <-LOL

5. Employees of the museums the doll is at have seen nothing and have had zero bad luck!

mangoxguava · 4th July 2016, 09:32 PM

I just can't believe my logical mind could be duped by such BS.

Glad to be a part of a community of people who are rational like you guys.

stanfr · 4th July 2016, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

It appears that deadly dolls are a common occurrence on Deadly Possessions on the Travel Channel.

Here's the one the OP refers to.

Dude, if haunted doll were as common as the stories go, someone would have won the MDC by now.

Thanks a lot, Ginger, now ill have nightmares for weeks!

JoeMorgue · 4th July 2016, 10:10 PM

Yeah the Podcast "Lore" did an episode on this one.

I mean it's all fluff, even the parts of it that might be true, but as this sort of thing goes it's good fluff.

Ron Swanson · 4th July 2016, 10:12 PM

I am not afraid of the image of this doll

Skeptic Ginger · 4th July 2016, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by stanfr

Thanks a lot, Ginger, now ill have nightmares for weeks!

My job's done here.

Wolrab · 5th July 2016, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by Yeggster

I am not afraid of the image of this doll

Please report back if anything untoward happens to you in, say, the next 30 years. Then we will know for sure.

TubbaBlubba · 5th July 2016, 05:16 AM

Originally Posted by mangoxguava

I just can't believe my logical mind could be duped by such BS.

Glad to be a part of a community of people who are rational like you guys.

Friend, it sounds like you may have some mental issues more fundamental than falling for this story. Do you have a therapist, psychiatrist, etc?

JesseCuster · 5th July 2016, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by TubbaBlubba

Friend, it sounds like you may have some mental issues more fundamental than falling for this story. Do you have a therapist, psychiatrist, etc?

Who needs a therapist when less than an hour on Google can relieve you of your inner demons and give you inner peace?

The OP posted a photo of the doll that was causing them "dark and screwed up thoughts" (although I don't think that thinking that an ugly low-value doll is in fact ugly and low-value remotely qualifies as "dark and screwed up") and was genuinely afraid that if they thought bad things about the doll they'd "get cursed". 51 minutes they posted again to say that they now knew it was all just a silly TV show with no evidence that it's cursed and their fears have been allayed.

TheGoldcountry · 5th July 2016, 06:06 AM

If someone is genuinely afraid of a "cursed" doll that they saw on television, they need professional help.

"Genuine" is the key word there.

Lithrael · 5th July 2016, 06:35 AM

I don't know, every once in a while something unexpectedly sets off a person's danger detectors for no very good reason. I got the for-real-adrenalin-fears standing at the edge of a spooky, dark patch of woods that I know from the area's layout wasn't actually likely to contain anything more scary than a raccoon, because friends had just been telling scary stories about things they thought they'd seen there. And anyone who gets panic attacks can describe how in the middle of one, it can be hard to believe yourself when you tell yourself it's only a panic attack and you will be fine. More in line with the OP, I've been genuinely spooked from reading clearly fictional scary stories and been unable to relax until the feeling wore off. Rational knowledge can sometimes get trumped for a little while by fear responses; you don't have to be malajusted for this to happen.

AcesHigh · 5th July 2016, 06:58 AM

my grandma came in contact with a cursed doll when she was 14. The curse eventually caught her, and she died because of it, at the age of 97.

mangoxguava · 5th July 2016, 11:01 AM

I'm actually diagnosed with a VERY mild form of Pure OCD.

This is where the fear comes from.

Regardless, this has been my first "attack" in 3 years.

I'm done with TV shows made to entertain people that like scares.

mangoxguava · 5th July 2016, 11:04 AM

The thing about Pure OCD. It's 100% preventable but once you have a thought you can't allow. It will keep coming back again and again.

The white bear experiment:

Try not to picture a polar bear and it will keep reappearing again and again.

Now imagine if a thought caused you small anxiety so you tried to suppress. Obviously what would happen is it would keep coming back.

TubbaBlubba · 5th July 2016, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by mangoxguava

I'm actually diagnosed with a VERY mild form of Pure OCD.

This is where the fear comes from.

Regardless, this has been my first "attack" in 3 years.

I'm done with TV shows made to entertain people that like scares.

Originally Posted by mangoxguava

The thing about Pure OCD. It's 100% preventable but once you have a thought you can't allow. It will keep coming back again and again.

The white bear experiment:

Try not to picture a polar bear and it will keep reappearing again and again.

Now imagine if a thought caused you small anxiety so you tried to suppress. Obviously what would happen is it would keep coming back.

Sorry to hear that, sounds pretty stressful.

mangoxguava · 5th July 2016, 11:10 AM

Thank you!

AcesHigh · 5th July 2016, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by mangoxguava

The thing about Pure OCD. It's 100% preventable but once you have a thought you can't allow. It will keep coming back again and again.

The white bear experiment:

Try not to picture a polar bear and it will keep reappearing again and again.

Now imagine if a thought caused you small anxiety so you tried to suppress. Obviously what would happen is it would keep coming back.

on a side note, good taste for fruits.

Jodie · 6th July 2016, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by mangoxguava

Hey guys!

I'm new here and came here solely seeking help against this nonsense.

Recently I saw this episode of Deadly Possessions on Travel Channel and it had Robert the Doll on it.

Now I'm a MOSTLY rational and skeptic guy like you all but this just bugs me hard.

I'm having these dark and screwed up thoughts and the image of Robert the Doll keeps appearing at the same time I do.

Things like "ugly", "low value".

At the same time, my mind imagines a pictures of Robert the Doll and I'm scared of any possible "curses".

Can you help me break through this nonsense with cold-hard logic?

I'm afraid of getting cursed by saying bad things about the doll in my head and having bad things happen to me!

I know this fear is irrational and illogical but I can't stop getting anxiety and suffering from it.

Please help. Thank you.

Your Id is all a twitter. Go to a Catholic Church and discuss this with a priest in the confessional. He might be able to provide you with some protective prayers or absolution to convince your Id that you're out of the line of fire from Robert the Doll.

Axxman300 · 6th July 2016, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by mangoxguava

I just can't believe my logical mind could be duped by such BS.

Glad to be a part of a community of people who are rational like you guys.

Here's the important thing to consider: You're human.

Everybody, I don't care who they are, how educated they are, or intelligent and rational they are - everyone has a blind spot in their thinking.

Once a spark gets in there you can spin off the logic rails pretty fast. At least you were aware of it, and did the mental and intellectual work to get over this issue. Keep this experience in mind the next time you run across a smart person who is susceptible to woo, they're not dumb, they just have a blind spot they don't know about.

Tale · 6th July 2016, 02:25 PM

Intrusive thoughts like the ones you describe are a common occurrence in people. They are exacerbated during periods of stress, anxiety, or fatigue.

I suggest going to bed a bit earlier at night. Watch funny movies, or engage in other upbeat activities.

If the thoughts persist and continue to be a hindrance to your well-being, consider consulting a doctor. Even a general practitioner may be able to help, or evaluate if you're in need of a specialist.

Rincewind · 6th July 2016, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by Jodie

Your Id is all a twitter. Go to a Catholic Church and discuss this with a priest in the confessional. He might be able to provide you with some protective prayers or absolution to convince your Id that you're out of the line of fire from Robert the Doll.

You think it's Bob Dole then?

Jodie · 7th July 2016, 05:23 AM

Could be, after the doll version was rescued from a fire. Never burn evil dolls, the ensouled demon is then released. I imagine it was snatched from the flames just in time before catastrophe ensued.

Garrette · 7th July 2016, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by Jodie

Could be, after the doll version was rescued from a fire. Never burn evil dolls, the ensouled demon is then released. I imagine it was snatched from the flames just in time before catastrophe ensued.

Of course you never just burn an evil doll. That would be stupid. Salt it first, then burn it with whatever organic remains there are of the original owner. Pretty basic stuff, really.

alfaniner · 7th July 2016, 06:26 AM

Before Chucky, there was Devil Doll from Trilogy of Terror (1979 or so).

Garrette · 7th July 2016, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

Before Chucky, there was Devil Doll from Trilogy of Terror (1979 or so).

Precisely. Karen Black only burned that doll which released the demon spirit into her. As I said, she should have salted it first.

kali1137 · 13th July 2016, 10:17 AM

It's not hard at all to get caught up in things like that. Even when your mind knows better, sometimes it still gets you. I have gone to alleged haunted places with friends as the skeptic to prove to them such things most likely don't exist, but I have gotten creepy feelings or tiny moments of fear in places for no reason. Those were most likely from the group feelings/suggestions. I remember seeing a show that included that doll's story. It was a creepy story and an ugly doll for sure. Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't this part of the Warrens nonsense? I am thinking it was part of their demon doll collection or something.

Ahhh Karen Black. Now I have images of that little doll and his crazy spear...lol.

Garrette · 13th July 2016, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by kali1137

It's not hard at all to get caught up in things like that. Even when your mind knows better, sometimes it still gets you. I have gone to alleged haunted places with friends as the skeptic to prove to them such things most likely don't exist, but I have gotten creepy feelings or tiny moments of fear in places for no reason. Those were most likely from the group feelings/suggestions. I remember seeing a show that included that doll's story. It was a creepy story and an ugly doll for sure. Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't this part of the Warrens nonsense? I am thinking it was part of their demon doll collection or something.

Similar experiences here, though in a less formal capacity. Getting creeped out is common and reasonable. Getting creeped out and using that as evidence or proof of ghosts is also common but definitely not reasonable.

Originally Posted by kali1137

Ahhh Karen Black. Now I have images of that little doll and his crazy spear...lol.

I always found Karen Black to be more frightening. I rooted for the doll.

And welcome to the forum.

Jodie · 13th July 2016, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by kali1137

Ahhh Karen Black. Now I have images of that little doll and his crazy spear...lol.

I remember that, I was all of 8 or 9 years old when I watched that movie or show? Was it Circle of Fear? Anyway, I never forgot it, never microwave or burn something supposedly possessed or you might end up like Karen Black.

kali1137 · 13th July 2016, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Jodie

I remember that, I was all of 8 or 9 years old when I watched that movie or show? Was it Circle of Fear? Anyway, I never forgot it, never microwave or burn something supposedly possessed or you might end up like Karen Black.

I was fairly young as well. I believe it was Trilogy of Terror but I could be mistaken. Unfortunately now when I think of Karen Black I think of House of 1000 Corpses which is like an hour and half of my life that I will never get back.

Garrett, thank you for the welcome!

Emily's Cat · 14th July 2016, 01:28 PM

Not familiar with that one. My evil doll movies were Magic and, of course, Poltergeist. Whole generation of kids terrified of clowns because of that one.

dudalb · 14th July 2016, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

Not familiar with that one. My evil doll movies were Magic and, of course, Poltergeist. Whole generation of kids terrified of clowns because of that one.

Evil Clowns were around a long time before Poltergiest.

The Joker has been around since 1939...

EHocking · 14th July 2016, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by kali1137

I was fairly young as well. I believe it was Trilogy of Terror but I could be mistaken. Unfortunately now when I think of Karen Black I think of House of 1000 Corpses which is like an hour and half of my life that I will never get back.

Garrett, thank you for the welcome!

Trilogy of Terror - Amelia (story 3).

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Emily's Cat · 15th July 2016, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Evil Clowns were around a long time before Poltergiest.

The Joker has been around since 1939...

Of course... but I don't believe any of them were sold as a family movie that a whole bunch of 10 to 15 year olds all went and saw in the theater completely unprepared for the level of creeptasticness involved...

FramerDave · 15th July 2016, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by mangoxguava

I just can't believe my logical mind could be duped by such BS.

Glad to be a part of a community of people who are rational like you guys.

Hey, don't worry. It happens to all of us. In spite of all of our logic and critical thinking skills we sometimes let our primitive brain run loose and get the best of us.

4th July 2016, 07:58 PM	#1
mangoxguava New Blood Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 19	Irrational Fear of This DOLL Hey guys! I'm new here and came here solely seeking help against this nonsense. Recently I saw this episode of Deadly Possessions on Travel Channel and it had Robert the Doll on it. Now I'm a MOSTLY rational and skeptic guy like you all but this just bugs me hard. I'm having these dark and screwed up thoughts and the image of Robert the Doll keeps appearing at the same time I do. Things like "ugly", "low value". At the same time, my mind imagines a pictures of Robert the Doll and I'm scared of any possible "curses". Can you help me break through this nonsense with cold-hard logic? I'm afraid of getting cursed by saying bad things about the doll in my head and having bad things happen to me! I know this fear is irrational and illogical but I can't stop getting anxiety and suffering from it. Please help. Thank you.
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4th July 2016, 08:00 PM	#2
mangoxguava New Blood Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 19	The source of the fear My fear stems from the fact that a person on the show who made fun of the doll got a stroke 3 weeks later. Also that tons of people keep sending in letters asking for apology because they got bad luck. (Although this is probably the nocebo affect and the RAS focusing on bad events).
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4th July 2016, 08:29 PM	#4
mangoxguava New Blood Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 19	Doll search.jpg This is the doll....!
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4th July 2016, 09:10 PM	#5
gerdbonk Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles de Porciúncula Posts: 21,429	If you are having severe anxiety, please see a therapist. There is nothing about a TV show telling a scary story about an old doll in museum that should cause anyone undue fear. The target audience for this show is people who enjoy being scared or creeped out by so-called "unexplained" things. It is 100% entertainment and advertising for the guy's museum. If you are being honest about the level of your irrational fear, then be honest about seeking treatment for it. It is likely that the source of your issue is something other than this doll.
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4th July 2016, 09:20 PM	#7
mangoxguava New Blood Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 19	Finally Peace At Last Thank you guys who responded! I've finally found peace! I did some research and found people that had actually personally came into contact with the doll. Needless to say. It's all a marketing ploy to bring in tourism to Key West, Florida. Evidence: 1. There's no sources of where the curse came from and the maid who placed some black magic on the doll is "just theory" without evidence. 2. It's just a mail order toy from Germany and there was IN FACT no servant of the Otto family that put any curse on the doll. The servants and family were close friends too! 3. The owners admit that the media and everything else exaggerates everything that happens with the doll to stir up tourism. 4. The current caretaker of the doll has good luck and no bad luck. <-LOL 5. Employees of the museums the doll is at have seen nothing and have had zero bad luck!
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4th July 2016, 08:22 PM	#3
Ron Swanson Illuminator Join Date: May 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 3,529	I have no idea what anyone is talking about .. pics of fearful doll??

4th July 2016, 09:18 PM	#6
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,788	It appears that deadly dolls are a common occurrence on Deadly Possessions on the Travel Channel. Here's the one the OP refers to. Dude, if haunted doll were as common as the stories go, someone would have won the MDC by now.

4th July 2016, 09:32 PM	#8
mangoxguava New Blood Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 19	I just can't believe my logical mind could be duped by such BS. Glad to be a part of a community of people who are rational like you guys.
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4th July 2016, 09:38 PM	#9
stanfr Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,781	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger It appears that deadly dolls are a common occurrence on Deadly Possessions on the Travel Channel. Here's the one the OP refers to. Dude, if haunted doll were as common as the stories go, someone would have won the MDC by now. Thanks a lot, Ginger, now ill have nightmares for weeks!
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4th July 2016, 10:10 PM	#10
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 30,569	Yeah the Podcast "Lore" did an episode on this one. I mean it's all fluff, even the parts of it that might be true, but as this sort of thing goes it's good fluff.
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4th July 2016, 10:12 PM	#11
Ron Swanson Illuminator Join Date: May 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 3,529	I am not afraid of the image of this doll

4th July 2016, 10:20 PM	#12
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,788	Originally Posted by stanfr Thanks a lot, Ginger, now ill have nightmares for weeks! My job's done here.

5th July 2016, 03:31 AM	#13
Wolrab Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,753	Originally Posted by Yeggster I am not afraid of the image of this doll Please report back if anything untoward happens to you in, say, the next 30 years. Then we will know for sure.
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5th July 2016, 05:16 AM	#14
TubbaBlubba Knave of the Dudes Moderator Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 12,901	Originally Posted by mangoxguava I just can't believe my logical mind could be duped by such BS. Glad to be a part of a community of people who are rational like you guys. Friend, it sounds like you may have some mental issues more fundamental than falling for this story. Do you have a therapist, psychiatrist, etc?
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5th July 2016, 06:01 AM	#15
JesseCuster Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 1,198	Originally Posted by TubbaBlubba Friend, it sounds like you may have some mental issues more fundamental than falling for this story. Do you have a therapist, psychiatrist, etc? Who needs a therapist when less than an hour on Google can relieve you of your inner demons and give you inner peace? The OP posted a photo of the doll that was causing them "dark and screwed up thoughts" (although I don't think that thinking that an ugly low-value doll is in fact ugly and low-value remotely qualifies as "dark and screwed up") and was genuinely afraid that if they thought bad things about the doll they'd "get cursed". 51 minutes they posted again to say that they now knew it was all just a silly TV show with no evidence that it's cursed and their fears have been allayed.
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5th July 2016, 06:06 AM	#16
TheGoldcountry Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 5,888	If someone is genuinely afraid of a "cursed" doll that they saw on television, they need professional help. "Genuine" is the key word there.
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5th July 2016, 06:35 AM	#17
Lithrael Master Poster Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,033	I don't know, every once in a while something unexpectedly sets off a person's danger detectors for no very good reason. I got the for-real-adrenalin-fears standing at the edge of a spooky, dark patch of woods that I know from the area's layout wasn't actually likely to contain anything more scary than a raccoon, because friends had just been telling scary stories about things they thought they'd seen there. And anyone who gets panic attacks can describe how in the middle of one, it can be hard to believe yourself when you tell yourself it's only a panic attack and you will be fine. More in line with the OP, I've been genuinely spooked from reading clearly fictional scary stories and been unable to relax until the feeling wore off. Rational knowledge can sometimes get trumped for a little while by fear responses; you don't have to be malajusted for this to happen.
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5th July 2016, 06:58 AM	#18
AcesHigh Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 481	my grandma came in contact with a cursed doll when she was 14. The curse eventually caught her, and she died because of it, at the age of 97.
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5th July 2016, 11:01 AM	#19
mangoxguava New Blood Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 19	I'm actually diagnosed with a VERY mild form of Pure OCD. This is where the fear comes from. Regardless, this has been my first "attack" in 3 years. I'm done with TV shows made to entertain people that like scares.
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5th July 2016, 11:04 AM	#20
mangoxguava New Blood Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 19	The thing about Pure OCD. It's 100% preventable but once you have a thought you can't allow. It will keep coming back again and again. The white bear experiment: Try not to picture a polar bear and it will keep reappearing again and again. Now imagine if a thought caused you small anxiety so you tried to suppress. Obviously what would happen is it would keep coming back.
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5th July 2016, 11:07 AM	#21
TubbaBlubba Knave of the Dudes Moderator Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 12,901	Originally Posted by mangoxguava I'm actually diagnosed with a VERY mild form of Pure OCD. This is where the fear comes from. Regardless, this has been my first "attack" in 3 years. I'm done with TV shows made to entertain people that like scares. Originally Posted by mangoxguava The thing about Pure OCD. It's 100% preventable but once you have a thought you can't allow. It will keep coming back again and again. The white bear experiment: Try not to picture a polar bear and it will keep reappearing again and again. Now imagine if a thought caused you small anxiety so you tried to suppress. Obviously what would happen is it would keep coming back. Sorry to hear that, sounds pretty stressful.
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5th July 2016, 11:10 AM	#22
mangoxguava New Blood Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 19	Thank you!
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5th July 2016, 03:18 PM	#23
AcesHigh Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 481	Originally Posted by mangoxguava The thing about Pure OCD. It's 100% preventable but once you have a thought you can't allow. It will keep coming back again and again. The white bear experiment: Try not to picture a polar bear and it will keep reappearing again and again. Now imagine if a thought caused you small anxiety so you tried to suppress. Obviously what would happen is it would keep coming back. on a side note, good taste for fruits.
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6th July 2016, 01:14 PM	#24
Jodie Philosopher Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 6,215	Originally Posted by mangoxguava Hey guys! I'm new here and came here solely seeking help against this nonsense. Recently I saw this episode of Deadly Possessions on Travel Channel and it had Robert the Doll on it. Now I'm a MOSTLY rational and skeptic guy like you all but this just bugs me hard. I'm having these dark and screwed up thoughts and the image of Robert the Doll keeps appearing at the same time I do. Things like "ugly", "low value". At the same time, my mind imagines a pictures of Robert the Doll and I'm scared of any possible "curses". Can you help me break through this nonsense with cold-hard logic? I'm afraid of getting cursed by saying bad things about the doll in my head and having bad things happen to me! I know this fear is irrational and illogical but I can't stop getting anxiety and suffering from it. Please help. Thank you. Your Id is all a twitter. Go to a Catholic Church and discuss this with a priest in the confessional. He might be able to provide you with some protective prayers or absolution to convince your Id that you're out of the line of fire from Robert the Doll.
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6th July 2016, 02:22 PM	#25
Axxman300 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Central California Coast Posts: 4,888	Originally Posted by mangoxguava I just can't believe my logical mind could be duped by such BS. Glad to be a part of a community of people who are rational like you guys. Here's the important thing to consider: You're human. Everybody, I don't care who they are, how educated they are, or intelligent and rational they are - everyone has a blind spot in their thinking. Once a spark gets in there you can spin off the logic rails pretty fast. At least you were aware of it, and did the mental and intellectual work to get over this issue. Keep this experience in mind the next time you run across a smart person who is susceptible to woo, they're not dumb, they just have a blind spot they don't know about.

6th July 2016, 02:25 PM	#26
Tale Scholar Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 116	Intrusive thoughts like the ones you describe are a common occurrence in people. They are exacerbated during periods of stress, anxiety, or fatigue. I suggest going to bed a bit earlier at night. Watch funny movies, or engage in other upbeat activities. If the thoughts persist and continue to be a hindrance to your well-being, consider consulting a doctor. Even a general practitioner may be able to help, or evaluate if you're in need of a specialist.
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6th July 2016, 11:11 PM	#27
Rincewind Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Adirondacks, NY - with Magrat! Posts: 8,542	Originally Posted by Jodie Your Id is all a twitter. Go to a Catholic Church and discuss this with a priest in the confessional. He might be able to provide you with some protective prayers or absolution to convince your Id that you're out of the line of fire from Robert the Doll. You think it's Bob Dole then?

7th July 2016, 05:23 AM	#28
Jodie Philosopher Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 6,215	Could be, after the doll version was rescued from a fire. Never burn evil dolls, the ensouled demon is then released. I imagine it was snatched from the flames just in time before catastrophe ensued.
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7th July 2016, 05:32 AM	#29
Garrette Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,770	Originally Posted by Jodie Could be, after the doll version was rescued from a fire. Never burn evil dolls, the ensouled demon is then released. I imagine it was snatched from the flames just in time before catastrophe ensued. Of course you never just burn an evil doll. That would be stupid. Salt it first, then burn it with whatever organic remains there are of the original owner. Pretty basic stuff, really.
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7th July 2016, 06:26 AM	#30
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 24,842	Before Chucky, there was Devil Doll from Trilogy of Terror (1979 or so).

7th July 2016, 06:33 AM	#31
Garrette Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,770	Originally Posted by alfaniner Before Chucky, there was Devil Doll from Trilogy of Terror (1979 or so). Precisely. Karen Black only burned that doll which released the demon spirit into her. As I said, she should have salted it first.
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13th July 2016, 10:17 AM	#32
kali1137 Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Purgatory, PA Posts: 1,649	It's not hard at all to get caught up in things like that. Even when your mind knows better, sometimes it still gets you. I have gone to alleged haunted places with friends as the skeptic to prove to them such things most likely don't exist, but I have gotten creepy feelings or tiny moments of fear in places for no reason. Those were most likely from the group feelings/suggestions. I remember seeing a show that included that doll's story. It was a creepy story and an ugly doll for sure. Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't this part of the Warrens nonsense? I am thinking it was part of their demon doll collection or something. Ahhh Karen Black. Now I have images of that little doll and his crazy spear...lol.

13th July 2016, 10:33 AM	#33
Garrette Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,770	Originally Posted by kali1137 It's not hard at all to get caught up in things like that. Even when your mind knows better, sometimes it still gets you. I have gone to alleged haunted places with friends as the skeptic to prove to them such things most likely don't exist, but I have gotten creepy feelings or tiny moments of fear in places for no reason. Those were most likely from the group feelings/suggestions. I remember seeing a show that included that doll's story. It was a creepy story and an ugly doll for sure. Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't this part of the Warrens nonsense? I am thinking it was part of their demon doll collection or something. Similar experiences here, though in a less formal capacity. Getting creeped out is common and reasonable. Getting creeped out and using that as evidence or proof of ghosts is also common but definitely not reasonable. Originally Posted by kali1137 Ahhh Karen Black. Now I have images of that little doll and his crazy spear...lol. I always found Karen Black to be more frightening. I rooted for the doll. And welcome to the forum.
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13th July 2016, 11:07 AM	#34
Jodie Philosopher Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 6,215	Originally Posted by kali1137 Ahhh Karen Black. Now I have images of that little doll and his crazy spear...lol. I remember that, I was all of 8 or 9 years old when I watched that movie or show? Was it Circle of Fear? Anyway, I never forgot it, never microwave or burn something supposedly possessed or you might end up like Karen Black.
Jodie Philosopher Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 6,215	__________________ "When I was a child I caught a fleeting glimpse out of the corner of my eye. I turned to look but it was gone, I cannot put my finger on it now. The child is grown, the dream is gone. I have become comfortably numb. " Pink Floyd

13th July 2016, 11:26 AM	#35
kali1137 Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Purgatory, PA Posts: 1,649	Originally Posted by Jodie I remember that, I was all of 8 or 9 years old when I watched that movie or show? Was it Circle of Fear? Anyway, I never forgot it, never microwave or burn something supposedly possessed or you might end up like Karen Black. I was fairly young as well. I believe it was Trilogy of Terror but I could be mistaken. Unfortunately now when I think of Karen Black I think of House of 1000 Corpses which is like an hour and half of my life that I will never get back. Garrett, thank you for the welcome!