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Old 21st March 2019, 12:19 PM   #1241
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Biden is apparently considering announcing a running mate at the time he rolls out his campaign:

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Close advisers to former Vice President Joe Biden are debating the idea of packaging his presidential campaign announcement with a pledge to choose Stacey Abrams as his vice president.
Assuming she's been thoroughly vetted, the idea seems brilliant. Biden's big problem is that he's an old, white man. Abrams balances that with young (45 is young politically), black and female. If nothing else, it would certainly take a lot of the wind out of Kamala Harris' sails.
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Old 21st March 2019, 12:22 PM   #1242
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
Having a public option in the ACA would be a good stepping stone.

Keeping the public option better than just competitive with private insurance should not be discouraged and should not be difficult.

Eventually private insurers will pull out of marginal marketplaces (rural areas) and having the public option will begin to be seen as the smart choice for rural Americans. Aka: The Base of the GOP.
Not that they'd approve even then, but it's the best way that I can think of - it's not wildly disruptive like switching to Medicare for all would be. The other option I think would work well (from what I understand, which is...much less than that of an actuary) would be to transition to the German model.

I'd say that a swap to Medicare for all would at least insulate it from having the GOP simply run up and destroy it, but they showed us in 2017-2018 that they're perfectly willing to outright ruin health insurance, the State department, medicare, medicaid, our influence with other countries, and quite a few other important things.

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The only reason people trust their health insurance company more than their government is because most people have spent more time in the post office or DMV than they have on the phone with a health insurance company that is denying your claim.
Agreed.
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CNN is getting silly with proclaiming a new candidate the "Hot" one every day.
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Old 21st March 2019, 02:04 PM   #1244
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
It's worth noting that the ACA passed be because it promised you could keep your current insurance. That should be instructive to all those on a MEDICARE for all platform.
Instruction 1) Don't negotiate away some of the best provisions like government option or negotiating drug prices

Instruction 2) don't trust the Republicans. No matter what you give them, no matter what they agree to, no matter how you sweeten the pot, they will renege and and dismantle it at every opportunity
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Old 21st March 2019, 03:21 PM   #1245
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
CNN is getting silly with proclaiming a new candidate the "Hot" one every day.
CNN? Is that still around?
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Old 21st March 2019, 03:56 PM   #1246
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
Biden is apparently considering announcing a running mate at the time he rolls out his campaign:



Assuming she's been thoroughly vetted, the idea seems brilliant. Biden's big problem is that he's an old, white man. Abrams balances that with young (45 is young politically), black and female. If nothing else, it would certainly take a lot of the wind out of Kamala Harris' sails.
And this is why he's the candidate to come out of the primary and **** up Donald Trump.
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Old 21st March 2019, 04:03 PM   #1247
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
Having a public option in the ACA would be a good stepping stone.

Keeping the public option better than just competitive with private insurance should not be discouraged and should not be difficult.

Eventually private insurers will pull out of marginal marketplaces (rural areas) and having the public option will begin to be seen as the smart choice for rural Americans. Aka: The Base of the GOP.

The only reason people trust their health insurance company more than their government is because most people have spent more time in the post office or DMV than they have on the phone with a health insurance company that is denying your claim.
MEDICARE for some is a great plank in a Democratic platform. Having it as an option for people where there are no private insurance companies in the ACA market place is a good, moderate position.
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Old 21st March 2019, 04:11 PM   #1248
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And this is why he's the candidate to come out of the primary and **** up Donald Trump.
Yep, the Russian Troll Farms are making sure everyone has good .gif files to splatter all over the internet when Joe gets picked.

The 2020 campaign should produce even more LULZ than '16.
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Old 21st March 2019, 04:11 PM   #1249
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Originally Posted by Mumbles View Post
Honestly, I never understood why she was this awful candidate. Particularly compared to Sanders, who was praising the Soviet Union's "prosperity" before they completely collapsed. She pulled off a wonderful convention, she left all three debates looking calm and rational while Dolt 45 sputtering in an ignorant rage. And all four events left her up in the polls. The only things I remember from the GOP convention was Melania's plagiarism, Ted Cruz refusing to endorse, and Laura Ingham's nazi salute.



No, what killed her was Comey's letter, lovingly handed to congressional Republicans, and the media's absolute refusal to discuss anything but her emails and how Dolt 45 supposedly knew how to thrill crowds.She looked poised, confident, and prepared, while Dolt 45 looked like exactly the destructive, hateful conman he...well, that he always has been.
Maybe the debates and the party conventions don't say as much about electability as you think they do?
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Old 21st March 2019, 04:16 PM   #1250
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And this is why he's the candidate to come out of the primary and **** up Donald Trump.
I can see the "alt-right" finding something to like in an old white man giving a black woman a token position in his government. Vice President House Negro. Might as well promise to put one of those jockey statues on the North Lawn.
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Old 21st March 2019, 04:34 PM   #1251
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Biden's a Democrat gatekeeper anyway. He'll fizzle out rather quickly, as always.
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Old 21st March 2019, 05:31 PM   #1252
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Originally Posted by Mumbles View Post
Honestly, I never understood why she was this awful candidate. Particularly compared to Sanders, who was praising the Soviet Union's "prosperity" before they completely collapsed. She pulled off a wonderful convention, she left all three debates looking calm and rational while Dolt 45 sputtering in an ignorant rage. And all four events left her up in the polls. The only things I remember from the GOP convention was Melania's plagiarism, Ted Cruz refusing to endorse, and Laura Ingham's nazi salute.

No, what killed her was Comey's letter, lovingly handed to congressional Republicans, and the media's absolute refusal to discuss anything but her emails and how Dolt 45 supposedly knew how to thrill crowds.She looked poised, confident, and prepared, while Dolt 45 looked like exactly the destructive, hateful conman he...well, that he always has been.
Agreed.
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Old 21st March 2019, 05:37 PM   #1253
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Agreed.
She wasn't an awful candidate. For Democrats.

But yeah: Not understanding this, is exactly why she lost.
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“Exactly.”
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Old 21st March 2019, 08:11 PM   #1255
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Well, he is a former US Senator:

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Thanks to some 'acerbic' teens who are managing his Twitter account, Mike Gravel seems to be positioning himself to run for president.
Gravel last was a Senator from Alaska when Jimmy Carter was president. He would easily be the oldest candidate in the field; he would be about 6 months shy of being a nonagenarian on election day 2020.

He got some attention by running in 2008 as the 9-11 Truth candidate. He put out what might be the single greatest ad by somebody running for President of all time:

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And yes, this is a joke candidacy; more on those "acerbic teens":

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Managing the campaign are David Oks, 17, and Henry Williams, 18. Elijah Emery, 18, handles the finances.
Their goal is to get the doddering old fool on the stage for the debates:

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Their ultimate goal wasn’t to win the election but rather to qualify him for the Democratic debates, so that he could use that platform to “issue a critique of American militarism, plutocracy, and inaction on climate,” as his newly-created website states.
Like that lane isn't filed already? The funny thing is that if those kids have any internet savvy at all they should be able to get a fair amount of donations. I could see Gravel (pronounced gruh-VELL) qualifying via that poorly-designed gate.
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Old 21st March 2019, 08:18 PM   #1256
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MEDICARE for some is a great plank in a Democratic platform. Having it as an option for people where there are no private insurance companies in the ACA market place is a good, moderate position.
That sounds terrible. The per member per month premium for Medicare is over 800 bucks. That is unaffordable.
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Old 21st March 2019, 08:26 PM   #1257
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
Biden is apparently considering announcing a running mate at the time he rolls out his campaign:



Assuming she's been thoroughly vetted, the idea seems brilliant. Biden's big problem is that he's an old, white man. Abrams balances that with young (45 is young politically), black and female. If nothing else, it would certainly take a lot of the wind out of Kamala Harris' sails.
It's unfortunate that things like age, gender, and race factor into the decision for POTUS/VP at all.
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Old 22nd March 2019, 12:44 AM   #1258
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I don't know if you're both wrong or you're both right. But my guess is neither of you actually have a crystal ball. Anyone's GUESS is likely to be as good as the next person. Remember, virtually no one in either party thought Trump would or could win the GOP nomination let alone the election.

I like Biden, but I don't see him winning. He may seem too old to people. Hell, he's older than the orange turd himself. A contrast to the doddering old fool would be nice.

I also believe MEDICARE for ALL is a winning issue. As for free college education, no. But a Democrat must run on making a college education more affordable. If you're going to run representing the middle and lower economic classes, do it!

This idea that another Republican light candidate is what the people want is absurd and obscene.
A couple of questions, if you don't mind:

-Why do you like Biden? As far as I know, he hasn't even said that he will run yet, so you don't even know what issues he will be running on.

-Free college education. Why are you opposed to this? I am not a huge fan of capitalism, but I'm thinking that even within the system of capitalism, a well educated workforce should be a good thing, right? If you want to maximize profit, you would want as many people who are knowledgeable in their fields as possible. So providing free higher education to anyone who wants it should be good for the bottom line? I mean, how could it not be?
Also, what if the guy or gal who could potentially find a cure for cancer, if they could afford a higher education, will be stuck working as burgerflippers because they did not have the money to go to college?
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Apparently Mike Gravel is running again for president, although it seems three teenagers are doing the heavy lifting, by having him tweet attacks on other Democrats.

I wonder if Gravel will follow up that amazing campaign ad he had back in 2008:

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Be sure to tell us your favourite bit.

Apparently this new group of kids only want to get Gravel in the debates and are calling themselves the GravelGang, which sounds like a copy of that other long shot, Andrew Yang who FiveThirtyEight have warmed up to slightly by writing up their own account of how he could get the nomination.

It's not looking likely, they say.
As Mike Gravel once said in the 2008 debates, "I feel like a potted plant here..."

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Well, he is a former US Senator:



Gravel last was a Senator from Alaska when Jimmy Carter was president. He would easily be the oldest candidate in the field; he would be about 6 months shy of being a nonagenarian on election day 2020.

He got some attention by running in 2008 as the 9-11 Truth candidate. He put out what might be the single greatest ad by somebody running for President of all time:

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And yes, this is a joke candidacy; more on those "acerbic teens":



Their goal is to get the doddering old fool on the stage for the debates:



Like that lane isn't filed already? The funny thing is that if those kids have any internet savvy at all they should be able to get a fair amount of donations. I could see Gravel (pronounced gruh-VELL) qualifying via that poorly-designed gate.
Am I on ignore?
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But here is something that can't be ignored:

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Keep your eyes peeled.
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But here is something that can't be ignored:

Keep your eyes peeled.
Does anyone actually care about this? He should have just said there are more important issues and stuck to his primary message. Instead he's shooting himself in the foot.
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Does anyone actually care about this? He should have just said there are more important issues and stuck to his primary message. Instead he's shooting himself in the foot.
This is how every debate on circumcision (and abortion, and a few other issues) should go.

Side A: do you think you have an argument we haven't heard before?

B: No. Do you have an argument we haven't heard before?

A: no. Okay, let's get lunch.
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A couple of questions, if you don't mind:

-Why do you like Biden? As far as I know, he hasn't even said that he will run yet, so you don't even know what issues he will be running on.
I like a lot of the Democratic candidates. Biden is a genuine, relatable, likable guy. He knows how the system works having spent many years in Congress as well as the White House.
He's been promoting rebuilding US infrastructure for decades. I like that.

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-Free college education. Why are you opposed to this?
I think it should be a lot cheaper for those that cannot afford it. But those that can afford it should pay.

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I am not a huge fan of capitalism, but I'm thinking that even within the system of capitalism, a well educated workforce should be a good thing, right? If you want to maximize profit, you would want as many people who are knowledgeable in their fields as possible. So providing free higher education to anyone who wants it should be good for the bottom line? I mean, how could it not be?
Also, what if the guy or gal who could potentially find a cure for cancer, if they could afford a higher education, will be stuck working as burgerflippers because they did not have the money to go to college?
I believe an educated workforce is essential. But I don't think college the way it is structured necessarily provides this. I'd like to see more engineering, science and vocational schools. And more subsidies for those that cannot afford to attend those schools. But sorry, I don't believe spending taxpayers money for any kind of education is appropriate. If you want to go to college to study Proust, keggers and beer pong, prepare to pony up.
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As Mike Gravel once said in the 2008 debates, "I feel like a potted plant here..."



Am I on ignore?
Sorry, didn't see your post since it was near the bottom of the prior page.
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Yep, the Russian Troll Farms are making sure everyone has good .gif files to splatter all over the internet when Joe gets picked.

The 2020 campaign should produce even more LULZ than '16.
The Russians are a known now. I doubt they will be the same threat as 2016. We can plan for them now.
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Honestly, I never understood why she was this awful candidate. Particularly compared to Sanders, who was praising the Soviet Union's "prosperity" before they completely collapsed. She pulled off a wonderful convention, she left all three debates looking calm and rational while Dolt 45 sputtering in an ignorant rage. And all four events left her up in the polls. The only things I remember from the GOP convention was Melania's plagiarism, Ted Cruz refusing to endorse, and Laura Ingham's nazi salute.

No, what killed her was Comey's letter, lovingly handed to congressional Republicans, and the media's absolute refusal to discuss anything but her emails and how Dolt 45 supposedly knew how to thrill crowds.She looked poised, confident, and prepared, while Dolt 45 looked like exactly the destructive, hateful conman he...well, that he always has been.
For me, it was her personality, or more specifically, lack of it. Her husband is charismatic. Obama is charismatic. Hell, even Trump is more charismatic than she is.
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Originally Posted by Lambchops View Post
-Free college education. Why are you opposed to this? I am not a huge fan of capitalism, but I'm thinking that even within the system of capitalism, a well educated workforce should be a good thing, right? If you want to maximize profit, you would want as many people who are knowledgeable in their fields as possible. So providing free higher education to anyone who wants it should be good for the bottom line? I mean, how could it not be?
Also, what if the guy or gal who could potentially find a cure for cancer, if they could afford a higher education, will be stuck working as burgerflippers because they did not have the money to go to college?

My own view is that the free college thing is mostly pandering to middle class white people. America's education system is broken in much more fundamental ways than college being too expensive (which it is). We have people in prison right now for the crime if trying to get their child into a better school than the the one that serves their address. And that is awful. It is atrocious that in the same city there will be one high school with a fully funded media arts program teaching kids how to use state of the art high definition video cameras and another high school where teachers have to buy pencils for their students out of their own pocket and the text books don't know if humans ever made it to the moon or not. Needless to say that to the students in the very poor school the issue of free college is entirely academic as they likely won't even finish high school and will instead end up in a privately funded, for profit prison as another victim of the nefarious school to prison pipeline.


Free college is fine but I think it should not take priority over fixing a system that sends way too many 16 year olds into a profit prison system on 50 year sentences for non violent drug charges.
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The Democrat's keep singing Dire Straits' most famous song, Money for Nothing:

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Sen. Kamala Harris plans to call for a federal effort to boost teachers’ salaries Saturday, offering up the first new policy proposal of her 2020 presidential campaign on an issue that is roiling school districts across the country and is dear to a powerful Democratic constituency.

The plan, which Harris is slated to unveil while addressing a morning rally at Texas Southern University in Houston, would promise an unprecedented federal investment in teacher pay because of widespread concern that teaching, a female-dominated profession, is badly underpaid, according to a campaign aide who was not authorized to discuss the plan on the record.
So it's kind of a two-fer; sounds great to teachers, sounds great to feminists.

Corey Booker has floated something different:

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The topic is frequently raised on the campaign trail. At a recent event in Ottumwa, Iowa, Sen. Cory Booker of New Jersey went into some detail about new investments he wanted to make in public schools and teachers. He called for helping teachers by retiring their college debt, boosting funding special education funding and overhauling the tax system so teachers pay less.
I can't imagine the highlighted part passing constitutional muster.
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There are plenty of ways to give a certain type of professions more options for tax breaks - just ask lawyers.
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