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Old 25th March 2017, 06:53 PM   #1441
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Originally Posted by Joecool View Post
I don't need self esteem to enjoy myself if I can go golfing and do what I enjoy because you'll be cleaning my toilets and providng my food and housing.
Then you won't live in happiness. People will tell you that you are lazy and you'll totally lose your self esteem.
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Old 26th March 2017, 09:34 AM   #1442
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Then you won't live in happiness. People will tell you that you are lazy and you'll totally lose your self esteem.
Why would I be labeled as lazy? You said in a no money world, everyone does what they enjoy so I'll be a golfer and you'll be a toilet cleaner. Both of us will be happy and fulfilled.
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Old 26th March 2017, 09:54 AM   #1443
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Why would I be labeled as lazy? You said in a no money world, everyone does what they enjoy so I'll be a golfer and you'll be a toilet cleaner. Both of us will be happy and fulfilled.
You won't be happy playing golf because you'll be full of remorse. What you'll be happy is to clean the toilets or anything else. Then you'll gain self esteem and live with happiness. That's what the scientific study says.
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Old 26th March 2017, 11:40 AM   #1444
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
You won't be happy playing golf because you'll be full of remorse. What you'll be happy is to clean the toilets or anything else. Then you'll gain self esteem and live with happiness. That's what the scientific study says.

Nope, the 2017 World Happiness Report that the article you referenced before was based upon makes no reference to "remorse" nor "esteem"



http://worldhappiness.report/ed/2017/

You have fixated on just one line in the article (not from the report) ...


"Work plays a key role, as unemployment causes a big drop in happiness."

And then just tried to attribute whatever crap you wanted to that report.


From the report itself

http://worldhappiness.report/ed/2017/

Quote:
Subjective well-being, in contrast,
captures the increased anxiety and new concerns
that emerge from growing dependence on the
labor market. The data show a marked decline in
subjective well-being from 1990 to about 2005,
and a substantial recovery since then. The chapter
shows that unemployment and changes in the
social safety nets play key roles in explaining both
the post-1990 fall and the subsequent recovery.
and

Quote:
As such, this chapter
delves further into the dynamics of unemployment
to show that individuals’ happiness adapts
very little over time to being unemployed and
that past spells of unemployment can have a
lasting impact even after regaining employment.
The data also show that rising unemployment
negatively affects everyone, even those still
employed.
You are trying to take a report that at least in part relates to unhappiness due to unemployment in monetary societies and just slap your own inclinations about non-monitory society upon it. That's not how a "scientific study" works. They didn't study what you are asserting.


Further

Quote:

This chapter also considers how happiness
relates to the types of job that people do, and
finds that manual labor is systematically correlated
with lower levels of happiness.
So what the study does say is that someone cleaning toilets would tend to be less happy than, say, someone playing golf (particularly if they like golf), any way you slice it (pun intended).
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Old 26th March 2017, 03:05 PM   #1445
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Originally Posted by The Man View Post
Nope, the 2017 World Happiness Report that the article you referenced before was based upon makes no reference to "remorse" nor "esteem"



http://worldhappiness.report/ed/2017/

You have fixated on just one line in the article (not from the report) ...


"Work plays a key role, as unemployment causes a big drop in happiness."

And then just tried to attribute whatever crap you wanted to that report.


From the report itself

http://worldhappiness.report/ed/2017/



and



You are trying to take a report that at least in part relates to unhappiness due to unemployment in monetary societies and just slap your own inclinations about non-monitory society upon it. That's not how a "scientific study" works. They didn't study what you are asserting.


Further



So what the study does say is that someone cleaning toilets would tend to be less happy than, say, someone playing golf (particularly if they like golf), any way you slice it (pun intended).
What the study says is that if you don't work you are not happy then if you work you are happy. It doesn't talk about money it talks about work. Why if someone is not happy if he doesn't work i believe it got something to do with self esteem but it doesn't matter if you don't work you are unhappy.
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Old 26th March 2017, 03:12 PM   #1446
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Old 26th March 2017, 04:39 PM   #1447
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
What the study says is that if you don't work you are not happy then if you work you are happy.
Nope what the study says is just that people who are unemployed tend to report more negative life satisfaction than those who aren't.

From the actual report...


Quote:
Indeed,
there is some evidence that the relationship
between employment and happiness is dynamic
in nature and may run in both directions. That
is to say that happier individuals may be somewhat
more likely to obtain employment in the
first place or that unhappy people may be more
likely to lose their jobs.13 This means that the
cross-sectional results reported in this chapter—
and much of the related literature—cannot be
interpreted causally and require this important
caveat.

As shown it even asserts the reason for such might not be that the unemployment caused the unhappiness but that the unhappiness might cause the unemployment. It explicitly cautions against making the very causal interpretation you assert.

Please read the report, if you actually intend claim it supports your assertions.


Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
It doesn't talk about money it talks about work.
It talks about money, income, job markets, economies and such all over the place. Heck, even if it wasn't explicitly stated all over the place I'm not aware of any OECD, The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (what this report involves) member country that doesn't have a monetary based economy.

Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Why if someone is not happy if he doesn't work i believe it got something to do with self esteem but it doesn't matter if you don't work you are unhappy.
You are free to think what you want. What you are not free to do is to just posit your own thinking onto the study, evidently without even reading it, and pretend it supports your thinking. Particularly when the very text of the report specifically gives the "important caveat" that the specific correlation you stress "cannot be interpreted causally" as you are doing.
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Old 26th March 2017, 10:07 PM   #1448
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Plenty of people derive more self esteem from their Candy Crush Highscore than their last week's job performance.
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Old 27th March 2017, 06:16 AM   #1449
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That's where the profit for education, heath care and starvation go, in tax havens. Let's abolish the cause of the problem, money.


Europe’s biggest banks register €25 billion profit in tax havens

Published: 27 March 2017


Europe’s 20 biggest banks are registering over a quarter of their profits in tax havens – well out of proportion to the level of real economic activity that occurs there, according to a new report by Oxfam and the Fair Finance Guide International today.

The report, ‘Opening the Vaults,’ suggests the discrepancy may have arisen because some banks are using tax havens to avoid paying their fair share of tax, to facilitate tax dodging for their clients, or to circumvent regulations and legal requirements.

https://www.oxfam.org/en/pressroom/p...fit-tax-havens
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Old 27th March 2017, 10:57 PM   #1451
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
You won't be happy playing golf because you'll be full of remorse. What you'll be happy is to clean the toilets or anything else. Then you'll gain self esteem and live with happiness. That's what the scientific study says.
It doesn't matter what some survey says. I love golf and I know that I would be happy and fulfilled playing golf every day. That will be my contribution to society. You can get your fulfillment cleaning my toilets and serving me food.

I don't like cleaning toilets but you enjoy it and get fulfilled doing it so it will be a perfect match and I can even dedicate a round of golf for you to make you feel important.
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