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Old 20th September 2018, 09:41 PM   #1
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Shooting at a Maryland Rite Aid facility; suspect identified

Female shooter is unusual, but she seemed to have pent up aggression or frustration like most murder-suicide suspects.

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The Maryland shooting suspect described herself on Facebook as a “quiet” person with a “to myself type of personality” — but also proclaimed that her favorite Bible verse was “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.”

Snochia Moseley listed the ancient phrase, known by many as the “law of retaliation,” as one of her favorite quotes.

.......But something changed in Moseley on Thursday, and the young woman allegedly snapped — shooting six co-workers, three of whom died — before turning the gun on herself.
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Old 20th September 2018, 11:17 PM   #2
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"Snochia"? WTF?
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Old 21st September 2018, 05:47 AM   #3
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Also posted in this thread: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...326633&page=17

The shooter is described as female but looks male. More photos here: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Maryland.html

The OP article talks about how very few mass killers are female. It cites the other recent female mass shooter at YouTube headquarters. Interestingly, that woman also appeared to be male.
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Old 21st September 2018, 07:35 AM   #4
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Daily Mail is now calling the shooter a transgender.

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Snochia Moseley had multiple outstanding tickets for registration violations and a lack of insurance, and just last week, the courts were asked for permission to take the outstanding fines to trial.

But tickets were not her only problems - friend Toni Coley told the Baltimore Sun Moseley had come out to her family as transgender in December 2016 and wanted to begin hormone therapy.

At present, it is not known if she did commence hormone therapy, or if Moseley, known to friends as 'Sno', used male or female pronouns...

Other friends paid tribute to her on social media, claiming she had been consumed by mental illness and had reached out for help multiple times before shooting at her colleagues...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-monster.html

I'm curious how social scientists deal with something like this when they create gender statistics for mass shootings. Do they check the box for female, or male?
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Old 21st September 2018, 07:38 AM   #5
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Guns don't kill people, but they make it a lot easier.
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Old 21st September 2018, 08:38 AM   #6
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and nobody want to see a link of transgenderism to mental issues...

oops, I think I'm not supposed to have that opinion, or share it with others. My bad.
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Old 21st September 2018, 09:12 AM   #7
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"Snochia"? WTF?
Come now. The poor creature is dead.
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Old 21st September 2018, 09:28 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Daily Mail is now calling the shooter a transgender.

I'm curious how social scientists deal with something like this when they create gender statistics for mass shootings. Do they check the box for female, or male?
I think it is intriguing that female killers of this type tend to have male characteristics as far as aggression and this extreme spite that male killers usually exhibit.

In my non-professional opinion it's relevant. That hypothesis of the underlying male narcissism is intriguing. Responding to perceived slights or threats they snap in a rage and take others down with them.
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Originally Posted by sackett View Post
Come now. The poor creature is dead.
Yeah but that's like when you're banned from the ISF: fair game.
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Old 21st September 2018, 09:41 AM   #11
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Guns don't kill people, but they make it a lot easier.
Guns don't kill people. Bullets do. Guns just make the bullets go very very fast.
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It may be worth noting that the Daily Mail appears to be the only source saying that the shooter was transgender, unless you count posted comments in other stories, claiming that the news is covering up her being trans in the name of political correctness.
Of 168 stories on Google News, "transgender" appears in two headlines, both from the Daily Mail.
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Old 21st September 2018, 10:07 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
and nobody want to see a link of transgenderism to mental issues...

oops, I think I'm not supposed to have that opinion, or share it with others. My bad.
People should always feel free to share their terrible opinions. That way, the rest of us can identify those with whom attempts at intelligent discussion would be a waste of time.
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Old 21st September 2018, 11:23 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
It may be worth noting that the Daily Mail appears to be the only source saying that the shooter was transgender, unless you count posted comments in other stories, claiming that the news is covering up her being trans in the name of political correctness.
Of 168 stories on Google News, "transgender" appears in two headlines, both from the Daily Mail.
Sure. I'm certainly not taking that at face value. My (perhaps hasty) judgement is though that these female murder-suicide killers' minds may resemble that of men to be motivated to carry out these acts.
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
People should always feel free to share their terrible opinions. That way, the rest of us can identify those with whom attempts at intelligent discussion would be a waste of time.
Or I guess you could refute my opinion with a study that shows some kind of physical link to most of the alternatively gendered. And you know I don't mean those born with sexual dimorphism.

I rank such mental problems with over achieving, OCD, or mild manic-depresion. Harmless, and I really don't give a hoot. Not any more than my personality is a problem you should care about.

But once people start murdering and suicideing, the link is more important.
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
and nobody want to see a link of transgenderism to mental issues...

oops, I think I'm not supposed to have that opinion, or share it with others. My bad.

Nobody wants to see a link between white cis male and mental issues either, as they perpetrate these kinds of shootings far more...

oops, maybe I'm not supposed to interrupt your uninformed speculation/persecution party.

EDIT: You can't call for people to refute your opinion that you haven't supported on a skeptic's board and not get snickered at.
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Old 21st September 2018, 02:28 PM   #17
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Come now. The poor creature is dead.
I came not to praise Snochia, but to bury him. Her. It.
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Old 21st September 2018, 02:33 PM   #18
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
It may be worth noting that the Daily Mail appears to be the only source saying that the shooter was transgender, unless you count posted comments in other stories, claiming that the news is covering up her being trans in the name of political correctness.
Of 168 stories on Google News, "transgender" appears in two headlines, both from the Daily Mail.
DM talked to the friend Toni Coley and that's where the information comes from. It's possible that other media did not contact friends or that transgenderism was not mentioned if they did. DM also says that other friends posted on social media that Moseley was dealing with mental issues.
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Old 21st September 2018, 02:36 PM   #19
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I just checked Google and there are many news stories mentioning Moseley as transgender including ones from yesterday.
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
Or I guess you could refute my opinion with a study that shows some kind of physical link to most of the alternatively gendered. And you know I don't mean those born with sexual dimorphism.

I rank such mental problems with over achieving, OCD, or mild manic-depresion. Harmless, and I really don't give a hoot. Not any more than my personality is a problem you should care about.

But once people start murdering and suicideing, the link is more important.
Yes, a single data point makes for a very compelling thesis.
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DM talked to the friend Toni Coley and that's where the information comes from. It's possible that other media did not contact friends or that transgenderism was not mentioned if they did. DM also says that other friends posted on social media that Moseley was dealing with mental issues.
Maybe she was a lesbian? Whether she's "transgender" or not is murky, at best, at this point.
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The transgender woman who went on a shooting spree at a Rite Aid distribution center in Maryland had been diagnosed with a mental illness in 2016 and used a legally purchased gun in the deadly rampage...

Harford County Sheriff Jeffrey Gahler revealed on Friday that Moseley had been diagnosed with a mental illness in 2016.

He said Moseley had become increasingly agitated in recent weeks, and relatives had been concerned for her well-being.

Moseley used a handgun that she legally purchased in March to fire a total of 13 rounds on Thursday morning, and died after shooting herself twice in the head...

Moseley arrived at about 6:30am for her shift at the Rite Aid distribution center on Thursday, where she had been hired as a temporary employee about two weeks earlier ahead of the holiday season.

As people lined up to come in the building, Gahler said Mosely cut in line and words were exchanged, but it was a 'little incident.'

Less than an hour after she arrived, Moseley left the building for unknown reasons at 7:21am and returned home to get a handgun, pepper spray and handcuffs.

She arrived back at the parking lot around 8:35am and entered the front door around 8:52am.

Gahler said Mosely pulled a hooded shirt over her head and began shooting, striking and killing her victim, Aguda, outside the building.

Inside, where there were about 65 people, she fatally shot Giri and Reyes and also shot the three victims who survived...

When asked how Moseley could legally buy a gun after being diagnosed with a mental illness, officials said it had not been determined that she had a 'propensity for violence to self or others.'...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...warehouse.html
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Old 23rd September 2018, 10:08 AM   #23
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
People should always feel free to share their terrible opinions. That way, the rest of us can identify those with whom attempts at intelligent discussion would be a waste of time.
I've made that point about posts containing "analysis" of Middle Eastern geopolitics where derogatory terms for any of the parties are used.
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Snochia Moseley was diagnosed with acute schizophrenia, according to the Harford County Sheriff's Office. Sharon Forrest said her girlfriend was depressed due to her financial problems and didn't appear to be taking any medication for her mental illness.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-rampage.html
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"Snochia"? WTF?
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Originally Posted by Venom View Post
I think it is intriguing that female killers of this type tend to have male characteristics as far as aggression and this extreme spite that male killers usually exhibit.

In my non-professional opinion it's relevant. That hypothesis of the underlying male narcissism is intriguing. Responding to perceived slights or threats they snap in a rage and take others down with them.
Yes. Males are more agressive, but spot the "Major hyperbolic generalisation alert"
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Maybe she was a lesbian? Whether she's "transgender" or not is murky, at best, at this point.
"Authorities and court records identified Moseley as female, as did a Facebook profile in her name. But in Facebook messages Coley shared with The Baltimore Sun, Moseley described herself as transgender, although it was not clear whether Moseley preferred to be addressed using masculine or feminine pronouns.

In messages that the friend said were sent in December 2016, Moseley described identifying as a trans man and discussed beginning hormone treatment soon.

“I just started talking about [being transgender],” Moseley wrote in another message. “My sister is totally supportive, my brothers already had an idea, my mom I haven’t gotten around to admitting it to yet. but she’s heard about it somehow.”

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...920-story.html
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Yes. Males are more agressive, but spot the "Major hyperbolic generalisation alert"
By they I meant rampage killers.
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By they I meant rampage killers.
Ahh
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