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Presumably you are able to understand the distinction between a choice made by India versus the islanders "declaring sovereignty".
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As a missionary, why would you go to such a low-population area to gain converts? Unless you're just trying to show your willingness to go into the lion's den for Christ, in other words..ego. He could have stayed in the west and had access to a lot more potential converts. And anyway, if there is anyone that would get a free pass from the big guy/gal upstairs it would have to be isolated tribes no? Assuming God isn't a complete dick...
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When the crusaders from the eleventh century onwards spread throughout Europe they were given a mandate to convert the pagans wherever they found them.
They were made 'Knights of the Sword' and given a 'Letter of Salvation' and rust service ('rust' = equestrian). So, in other words, it was seen as a Christian obligation to try to 'save' people. Jehovah's Witnesses believe only those in the priesthood will be among the 144K saved, come Judgement Day, and in order to be one of the chosen, you have to have 'saved' people's souls. I would guess the dead missionary in the Andamans had that motive. As a martyr, he gets to lie beneath the altar in heaven with all the other martyrs (people who died for their faith) and, come the New Jerusalem, they will rise up in white robes and go marching into heaven as 'saints'. |
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I don't think we can say that, really. The single actually-valid point Bob has made in this thread (I think it was Bob; I could be mistaken) is that it's not known whether the islanders that defend the beach where landings are most common are representative of the entire Sentinelese population, their wishes, motives, or disposition to visitors. As big as the island is from a ground-level (sea-level?) observer's perspective, it seems to be the case that landings by outsiders can only ever be made at a few specific points due to reefs that surround most of it leaving few safe approaches for watercraft, and it may just happen that a particularly aggressive family or village guards those points.
But the problem of disease transmission remains. The whole reason the government stopped the attempted visits in the 90's is because they directly observed a nearby, more hospitable island tribe they were visiting simultaneously being decimated by diseases brought by the visiting scientists and officials. |
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Based on what I've read of his background, I get the impression that the danger/adventure element was a big part of it to him. He also seemed concerned that these folks had never even had the opportunity to hear the message of Christianity unlike other folks who'd simply rejected it. If I was a religious man, I might speculate that the arrow hitting the bible during his first invasion might have been a hint from the Big Guy that this wasn't going to go well.
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Accounts seem to describe the traditional bow and arrow, not a crossbow. They also have spears.
One old account speaks of a youngster(s) shooting an arrow without an attached point tip. This is much less lethal or not at all. It could still be used successfully on a variety of small animals. |
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Arrows aren't always fletched. New Guinea highlanders use unfletched shafts at times.
I rather think that there are sources on Andamanese weapons. And on their unpleasant folkways; I know because I've read them. I'm sorry that Jesus's little helper got killed by those ignoble savages. He didn't deserve that. A year or two in the hands of the Indian police maybe? No, he didn't deserve that either. But a warning, a fine, and a one-way ticket home? Quite proper. The Sentinelese are hardly the first, or probably the last, isolates who can't think of anything else to do w/ an outsider than kill him. I don't wish them well, or even ill. Oblivion would probably be best. |
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No more than Northumbria did. Wales was conquered, and made part of the Kingdom of England. Recognition of Wales as a country distinct from England has come subsequent to the 1707 Act of Union between the Kingdom of England, including Wales, and Scotland.
What we know as Wales now was never actually under the rule of any unitary authority, of course. Many Lords and Princes in Wales expressly accepted the King of England as overlord, and many did not. |
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So, maybe this should go to the religion section but it seems to me that if you believe the Christian thing, going as a missionary to these people is really a dick move. As far as I remember from Catholic education, if you've never heard about how Jesus had his afternoon of gay S&M and was now everyone's savior you got a pass. If you did hear the story and rejected it, you were royally ******, like lake of fire for eternity and such.
So, let's say our boy, the dead one, sucked as a missionary. He got there, he told the story of Jesus having gay S&M sex with some Romans on a Friday afternoon and now they had to accept him as their savior. If the locals herd it, understood it and then said, that's ****** stupid go away, our missionary just damned them to Hell. These people were fine without knowing about Jesus and the gay S&M. If you really cared about the natives, why not leave them alone instead of risking them not believing you? |
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Okay Bob I have zero faith any of this is going to make it through your "cause purity" mental force field... but in the real world not every battle is worth having and real humans making real decisions with real human brains have to sometimes weight the pros and cons of actual actions in the actual real world on a level beyond "Fetishistic Purity to Bob's Arbitrarily Categorized Ways of Thinking" and making sure they are the purest of the pure (Insert philosophical, social, or political label here) isn't always the only thing that matters
This is a tiny (less then 400), incredibly isolated tribe that probably wouldn't survive sustained contact with the outside world. Even a moral victory would be a Pyrrhic one. Yes, as I said back on page one of a this thread, back when it was fresh faced and youthful and as yet untainted by your Bobbing, having to just leave them to their devices does sort of suck and is a less than ideal solution but those happen in that pesky "real world" you never deign to factor into your insane ramblings. |
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I haven't seen a specific reference to his denomination, but I'd wager that he was some flavor of evangelical (I'm basing that on the man's quotes and his educational background) and likely wouldn't have subscribed to the Catholic idea about limbo for those ignorant of the gospel.
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