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Old 23rd November 2018, 08:26 AM   #1
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60% of Brits believe at least one conspiracy theory

Some fascinating numbers here, especially the contrast between Leave/Remain Brexit voters in the UK and Trump/Clinton voters in the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...iracy-theories

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Sixty per cent of British people believe at least one conspiracy theory about how the country is run or the veracity of information they have been given, a major new study has found, part of a pattern of deep distrust of authority that has become widespread across Europe and the US.

In the UK, people who supported Brexit were considerably more likely to give credence to conspiracy theories than those who opposed it, with 71% of leave voters believing at least one theory compared with 49% of remain voters.

Almost half (47%) of leave voters believed the government had deliberately concealed the truth about how many immigrants live in the UK, versus 14% of remain voters. A striking 31% of leave voters believed that Muslim immigration was part of a wider plot to make Muslims the majority in Britain, a conspiracy theory that originated in French far-right circles that was known as the “great replacement”. The comparable figure for remain voters was 6%.

The disparities between those who voted for Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in the US was even more stark, where 47% of Trump voters believed that man-made global warming was a hoax, compared with 2.3% of Clinton voters.
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Of the countries surveyed, Sweden was the least credulous of conspiracy theories, with 52% believing one or more of the theories polled by the researchers, as opposed to 85% for Hungary. In the US that figure was 64% and in France 76%.
I knew it was bad, but I didn't think it was this bad. I'm not sure how democracy can survive when voters not only don't make any effort to ensure they are properly informed, but gleefully seize on any old nonsense as long as it appeals to their prejudices.
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Old 23rd November 2018, 08:31 AM   #2
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I'm honestly not at all surprised.

Unfortunately.
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Old 23rd November 2018, 03:00 PM   #3
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Official statistic. 61.984638463462894% of people are a bit thick. Most of the rest are just dozy.
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Old 23rd November 2018, 03:07 PM   #4
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I heard a dozen years back that some of these far rightists believed there was a conspiracy that went right to the top of the police, social services, CPS and Home Office to cover up the rapes of thousands of girls across the entire country. LOL! Those nutty BREXITeers!
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Old 23rd November 2018, 03:09 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Pixel42 View Post
Some fascinating numbers here, especially the contrast between Leave/Remain Brexit voters in the UK and Trump/Clinton voters in the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...iracy-theories



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I knew it was bad, but I didn't think it was this bad. I'm not sure how democracy can survive when voters not only don't make any effort to ensure they are properly informed, but gleefully seize on any old nonsense as long as it appeals to their prejudices.
But we don't have a starting point so we don't know if this is an improvement or vice-a-versa.
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A lot seem to be captured by the rather vague, "even though we live in what’s called a democracy, a few people will always run things in this country anyway."

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Yeah. That's not a conspiracy theory, that's an accurate observation of how politics works.
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Over 70% of Britons want to keep the monarchy. Idiots.
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Old 23rd November 2018, 11:59 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by baron View Post
I heard a dozen years back that some of these far rightists believed there was a conspiracy that went right to the top of the police, social services, CPS and Home Office to cover up the rapes of thousands of girls across the entire country. LOL! Those nutty BREXITeers!
This post is why this site needs a facepalm emoticon.
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Old 24th November 2018, 07:14 AM   #10
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This post is why this site needs a facepalm emoticon.
I think the assumption is that members are bright enough to put across a valid argument instead of cartoons. Clearly a poor assumption.
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Old 24th November 2018, 04:14 PM   #11
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A lot seem to be captured by the rather vague, "even though we live in whatís called a democracy, a few people will always run things in this country anyway."
Isn't that how a representative democracy is supposed to work?
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I think the assumption is that members are bright enough to put across a valid argument instead of cartoons. Clearly a poor assumption.
Ask the laughing dog...
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Isn't that how a representative democracy is supposed to work?
Yes, but it sounds sinister so you can finagle votes from the 61.984638463462894 % of people who are a bit thick.
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And this is why universal suffrage isn't such a good idea.
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Isn't that how a representative democracy is supposed to work?
Yes, that's where the vagueness and subjectiveness of the question undermines the survey.
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Old 27th November 2018, 05:30 AM   #16
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I heard that 75% of them believe the CT about the ring leader and his 12 apostles.
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I'm not surprised the belief in wacky conspiracy theories is widespread, it's precisely the purpose of fluoridating the water supply with mind control drugs.
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Old 27th November 2018, 12:25 PM   #18
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Does the article explain what a "conspiracy theory" is, and what it means to say someone believes in one?

Do 60% of Brits believe in something like the Apollo Hoax? Or do 60% of Brits believe in something like "the government doesn't always tell us everything, and is also probably influenced by interests not visible to the public"? Or do 60% of Brits believe a wide range of things, not nearly so easy to report on as the Guardian would have you believe?
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Does the article explain what a "conspiracy theory" is, and what it means to say someone believes in one?

Do 60% of Brits believe in something like the Apollo Hoax? Or do 60% of Brits believe in something like "the government doesn't always tell us everything, and is also probably influenced by interests not visible to the public"? Or do 60% of Brits believe a wide range of things, not nearly so easy to report on as the Guardian would have you believe?
It feels like you didn't actually read the article. The article had example questions in the article. eg: "The truth about the harmful effects of vaccines is being deliberately hidden from the public" but you can also review the questions in their nation-specific versions here:

Survey: [YGC Conspiracy Theories]
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I heard a dozen years back that some of these far rightists believed there was a conspiracy that went right to the top of the police, social services, CPS and Home Office to cover up the rapes of thousands of girls across the entire country. LOL! Those nutty BREXITeers!
I'm not sure that not believing government numbers qualifies as a conspiracy theory.

Governments routinely misrepresent numbers about inflation, unemployment etc. Usually by changing the meaning of 'employed' (part-time Uber driver? Congratulations, you're employed!), or changing what consumer goods are measured vs buying power (less food, more cheap Chinese imports).
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I'm not sure that not believing government numbers qualifies as a conspiracy theory.

Governments routinely misrepresent numbers about inflation, unemployment etc. Usually by changing the meaning of 'employed' (part-time Uber driver? Congratulations, you're employed!), or changing what consumer goods are measured vs buying power (less food, more cheap Chinese imports).
It's not a question of denial of numbers, more a denial of it ever happening and a refusal to even acknowledge literally millions of rapes of young girls over a 30 year period. If that's not a conspiracy of the highest order I don't know what is.
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Thousands last week, now literally millions? This should be stopped.
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Thousands last week, now literally millions? This should be stopped.
What are you talking about "thousands last week"? Is that supposed to even mean something?
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Last week.

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I heard a dozen years back that some of these far rightists believed there was a conspiracy that went right to the top of the police, social services, CPS and Home Office to cover up the rapes of thousands of girls across the entire country. LOL! Those nutty BREXITeers!
Today.

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It's not a question of denial of numbers, more a denial of it ever happening and a refusal to even acknowledge literally millions of rapes of young girls over a 30 year period. If that's not a conspiracy of the highest order I don't know what is.
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Thousands last week, now literally millions? This should be stopped.
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What are you talking about "thousands last week"? Is that supposed to even mean something?
You wrote it.
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Thousands last week, now literally millions? This should be stopped.

Itís just an attempt to show what a good thing racism is. The numbers donít really matter to the target audience.
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Last week.



Today.







You wrote it.
Yes I did.

"...to cover up the rapes of thousands of girls..."

"...millions of rapes of young girls..."

Maybe you haven't been here long enough to realise I'm pretty careful with my words.
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Itís just an attempt to show what a good thing racism is. The numbers donít really matter to the target audience.
Better wait longer next time, to allow the comment you applaud to get busted.
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Yes I did.

"...to cover up the rapes of thousands of girls..."

"...millions of rapes of young girls..."

Maybe you haven't been here long enough to realise I'm pretty careful with my words.
I will note for future reference that you are very careful with words, even when you make stuff up.
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I will note for future reference that you are very careful with words, even when you make stuff up.
Sorry, I can't hear you from the bottom of the hole you just dug.
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Okiedokie.

I'm sure someone as careful as you has reasonable support for 'millions'. Or you wouldn't have made it up said it.
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Okiedokie.

I'm sure someone as careful as you has reasonable support for 'millions'. Or you wouldn't have made it up said it.
Yes, it's called basic maths. When 1400 girls are raped, some up to 30 times a night, in a single town, and that pattern repeats over a period of 30 years in dozens of towns up and down the country then it's pretty much common sense. But I guess if child rape apology is your bag it's all made up and never happened.
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As I said, you made it up.

Insulting me doesn't make it correct. Nasty situation, but your hyperbole doesn't help.
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As I said, you made it up.
Yep, I called it. I'm not insulting you, you made the statement, it's on you.
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You make **** up, and I'm a 'child rape apologist' if I think your figures might be inaccurate.

Have a nice life.
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Just not worth it.

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I can count...

If, but, maybe.
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You make **** up, and I'm a 'child rape apologist' if I think your figures might be inaccurate.

Have a nice life.
The only person proven to have made up stuff in this thread is you, who asserted that I'd changed my opinion as to the numbers and then, when I showed you were wrong, disputed my figures without being able to suggest why they might be wrong.
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Thousands of victims. Each one victimized multiple times. If 2,000 people are raped on average 1,000 times, that's millions of rapes on thousands of victims.
You would probably get over a million rapes in just Rotherham and Telford. Then you can multiply that many times over for Oxford, Manchester, Blackburn, Middlesbrough, Newcastle, Peterborough, Ayelsbury, Keighley, Bristol, London, Birmingham, Leeds, Leicester, Slough, Skipton and so the list goes on.
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