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4th December 2017, 04:24 PM | #443 |
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Well the thing is, we're not into "Explanations" (aka: "Just-So" Stories). We side with Validated Experiments. So why don't you "Explain" them?? mmm K? With each, Scientifically Validate... a. What Phenomenon was Observed...? b. Post the Formal Scientific Hypothesis then EXPERIMENT that validates your claim...? c. Highlight the "Independent Variable" that was used in the TEST...? d. Post the Null Hypothesis that was Rejected/Falsified...? After you're Finished...I'll go ahead and take them to the Woodshed. regards |
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4th December 2017, 04:27 PM | #445 |
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Nope. A Part of science. Which is why we know the Planet we stand on is round (Oblate Spheroid).
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Positing a 'flat earth', someone in the Northern Hemisphere would be able to observe the stars in the Southern Hemisphere and Vice Versa. Experiment: Using observed phenomena, some Stars and constellations are not visible in the opposing hemisphere, or only during certain times of year.
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So another "Na'ahh" Defense, eh? Riveting! You wouldn't happen to be Pre-Law by Chance?
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Yea, Science Fiction.
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Somebody forgot to tell 'nasa' it's "Oblate".
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Astonishing!! Here we go again, lol...
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This isn't a Scientific Hypothesis, professor. What's your Independent Variable: Eyelids, Imagination, Other??
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Where's the Independent Variable ("Telescopes") at??
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rotflol. Why wasn't it mentioned in your Hypothesis? So is it your contention that "Telescopes" CAUSE (Independent Variable) constellations and stars to be visible/not visible -- (Dependent Variable) ?? Absolutely Hilarious Sir <snip> regards
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He didn't have a Viable Scientific Hypothesis; Ergo...he didn't have a Viable Experiment -- (Hypothesis TEST). See The Connection?? (Obviously Rhetorical) ps. smh..."Locations" are NOT "Causes" (Independent Variables), for goodness sakes. The reaaaally scary thing is not that you thought this, BUT... You actually hit "Submit Reply". regards and Thanks! |
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Yes you are begging the question, because you continue to claim that air pressure can only exist in a container, but have repeatedly failed to prove this claim.
In the real world there are a lot of examples of air pressure without a container, from Yacht sails, to aircraft wings, to hurricanes, to tornadoes, to breezes, to the fan I am sitting in front of right now. I noticed that you claimed that the oceans have a container, what container is that, and how does it differ to say, air in a valley or depression? You are the one making the claim here, time to prove that air pressure can only exist in a container, and since you expect Experimental proof, so do I, linking to a website is not an acceptable proof. |
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I thought it was funny that he claimed that the Celestial South Pole doesn't exist and then promptly posted a quote saying that it does.
ETA: Do you think he's noticed the flag in my sig and realised where I live yet? The whole Flat Earth thing would be painfully obvious to anyone living down here. For a start, it'd take longer than three hours to fly Auckland to Sydney, but I have noticed that Flat Earthers stubbornly ignore things like Flight times between Perth and Cape Town, or Sydney and Auckland, or the experiences of sailors that routinely sail between South Africa, South America, Australia, and New Zealand. It takes a ship about 25 days to get here from South America, impossible on a flat Earth, yet ignored by people like Daniel. That I can go outside at night and physically see the starts rotating about the South Celestial Pole over a matter of hours also seems to go over their heads when they make such foolish claims as that the South Celestial Pole doesn't exist. Funny thing, I have been to the Northern Hemisphere, I have seen the Big Dipper and the Pole Star. I can't see them when I am here, but I can see the Southern Cross. I see Canopus all year around, along with Sirius, but I hardly get to see Vega or Capella. These are facts of life here, and it's crazy anyone would dispute them, it would be as crazy as someone claiming that Australia didn't exist. |
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Yoohoo, Daniel! This is from post #370 in this thread.
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Here's another reason, beyond Dr. Keith's chew toy answer, that this thread is actually useful. I just added a great new book to my shopping list, so thanks for that halleyscomet.
Every now and then I'm reminded why I keep reading these crazy threads and funny as it sounds, this book recommendation is an example. |
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They knew even before that:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-is-not-round/ http://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscien...ityofwrong.htm We can all save ourselves a lot of time here by leaving "Daniel" to stew in her own juices. She has no interest in proper discussion, just bludgeoning everyone she disagrees with by demanding everyone conforms to her vaguely understood version of the scientific method without actually applying it to herself. She will just accuse everyone of applying ad hominems but cheerfully throw them around herself, and will spend all of her time trying to think of any feeble excuse she can think of that will allow her to duck out of answering questions. She will demand evidence without supplying any herself, and cherry pick the literature to find things she thinks validates her argument while ignoring things that prove her wrong in those same pieces of literature. Her favourite phrase is ipse dixit, which given that her entire modus operandi is "because I said so" is massively ironic. It's an aggressive debating style increasingly common amongst conspiracy nuts, and this site is not the first one to experience it and realise what her game is. All you need to do to realise that is to search her stock phrases. |
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You dropped your mask again.
You have also repeatedly failed to address the fact that you asserted that the horizon gets farther away as elevation increases. How is this possible when the Earth is supposedly flat as you claim? A flat earth would have a horizon infinitely far away. |
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Glad to oblige. I’ve listened to the audio book. It’s a fascinating account. At some of the creationist religious schools I went to as a kid Einstein‘s theory of relativity was routinely attacked as having never been proven. I found it fascinating that Einstein‘s theory only gained traction because he proved it by solving a mystery that had endured since the time of Newton. The theory topped Newton right out of the gate! I highly recommend the book. |
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This image seems custom made for Flat Earth threads:
That's what the Flat Earth theory boils down to, trying desperately to claim that some dreams priests had 5,000+ years ago are more accurate than thousands of years of observation and testing. |
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anti-science Religious cult rises from ignances - Flat Earth Conference goal - $$$
The religious cult of flat earth, based on overwhelming ignorance.
The religious flat earth cult of overwhelming ignorance, quote mines science (debunking flat earth) in a never ending dumbed down Gish Gallop. (big hint for cult members of the flat earth religion, don't talk about stars, don't use stars to support the delusion of a flat earth. It will expose your overwhelming ignorance of all science/physics/math. Also; don't use anything about physics to support the flat earth delusion, it expose there is no practical knowledge of physics in the flat earth cult of overwhelming ignorance.) As usual, the cult leaders are not flat earth nuts, they are $$$-nuts. http://fe2017.com/tickets/ But your ticket, and pay for cult leaders lunch. Flat earth, a scam to make money for the fringe few of the fringe few, from the fringe few believers. A faith based exercise in ignorance. |
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(To the tune of Daniel by Elton John)
Daniel is typing up nonsense again. He says you should be able to see, Austral-ia from Spai-n, Oh and, he just waves science goodbye, God it looks like Daniel, put more crap before our eyes. He says space is rigid though I've never been, I know that's the biggest pile, I've e-e-ever seen, Oh and, we should know we've seen quite enough. Lord I miss reason, I miss science so much. Daniel my brother are you, sure you can't read All of the reasonings, that your posts are just screeds, Your sources lied, but you still say they're right, Did you know the stars, are millions of mi-iles away? Daniel is typing up nonsense again. He says you should be able to see, Austral-ia from Spai-n, Oh and, he just waves science goodbye, God it looks like Daniel, put more crap before our eyes. Oh God it looks like Daniel, put more crap before our eyes. |
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Blatant attempt at the TLA award. Revised song lyrics always get lots of votes. |
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It only took about 5 minutes as well!
Still, I'm quite proud of it. If you want to nom it be my guest. |
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He's actually pretty good at it. But, it is subtle and some of us would overlook it if you weren't there to make sure we don't miss his brilliance. Many thanks.
As an aside, do you think it is some sort of socratic method? "People these days are so bad at science that they can't even defend one of the most obvious realities in our modern world." As a teacher in logic may ask a student to lay out an argument that the sky is blue. The blue-sky-denying teacher appears a bit crazy but forces the student to think more clearly about how an argument is constructed. |
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So I'm Begging The Question and Failed to provide evidence? That means, I'm assuming there very thing I'm attempting to prove. OK, I said to have "Gas Pressure" (for the 1879th time ) you MUST HAVE a Container. THEN... because Cognitive Dissonance and Adherence to Fairytales runs rampant in the Spinning-Ball Religion and you remain Willfully Ignorant to Prima Facie Truths, I then provided as evidence: "The "PRESSURE OF A GAS" is the force that the gas exerts on the WALLS OF IT'S CONTAINER". http://chemistry.elmhurst.edu/vchemb...0pressure.html "A GAS is a sample of matter that conforms to the shape of a CONTAINER in which it is held and acquires a uniform density inside the CONTAINER, EVEN IN THE PRESENCE OF GRAVITY and regardless of the amount of substance in the CONTAINER. If not confined to a CONTAINER, gaseous matter, also known as vapor, WILL DISPERSE INTO SPACE." http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/gas "Kinetic Molecular Theory Explanation of Boyle's Law... Observations about pressure may be explained using the following ideas. The rapid motion and collisions of molecules with the WALLS OF THE CONTAINER* causes PRESSURE (force on a unit area). Pressure is proportional to the number of molecular collisions and the force of the collisions in a particular area. The more collisions of GAS MOLECULES with THE WALLS, the higher the PRESSURE." http://chemistry.elmhurst.edu/vchemb...0pressure.html
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Thanks for all of your 'responses'.
Couldn't have EXPOSED "You" without "You". Priceless regards |
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