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7th December 2017, 04:34 PM | #521 |
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I have never ”refused” to provide evidence. I provide evidence if requested to do so in a specific and relevant manner. Hanks ”method” [of requesting evidence] is not going to [get me to] provide any evidence since it has a completely different purpose. To create the the illusion of me not providing evidence when requested to do so. - Manifesto |
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I have never ”refused” to provide evidence. I provide evidence if requested to do so in a specific and relevant manner. Hanks ”method” [of requesting evidence] is not going to [get me to] provide any evidence since it has a completely different purpose. To create the the illusion of me not providing evidence when requested to do so. - Manifesto |
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7th December 2017, 05:35 PM | #523 |
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you are making the mistake by assuming that their physical model of the universe is the same as the generally accept model of reality.
In order for their universe to make sense, they need to invent a whole new model of reality by reinventing physics starting from about 400 years ago, that explains all the natural phenomena that current physics explains . After all wasn't Danial, sorry, Daniel suggesting Gravity doesn't exist? It is kinda impossible to argue rationally with a bunch of people who deny reality, at least in attempting to win the argument with them. Of course you can win the argument for other people that are listening, but I can't imagine there are very many fence sitters on this one. We can be stupid Apes sometimes. I predict it will take at least another 100,000 years before we can completely shed our irrationality and tribe mentality born of fear, greed, narcissism and ignorance. Let's face it, as a race we are probably quite capable (technically speaking) of ensuring that no one is starving or without water globally right now, but we wont. There is a whole conversation here regarding free speech, freedom of expression and fake news. Flat Earthers are presumably pretty benign and society allows them to perform their stupidity out in the open. But of course we have other organizations that really on the face of it have equally silly ideas (virgin birth, cracker turning into the body of their savior, resurrection etc etc etc) who's dogma has much darker implications. |
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Would acceleration in a vacuum give the appearance of gravity? I mean, when they fired the booster rockets on the Apollo missions, did all the astronauts end up pinned to the back wall?
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8th December 2017, 12:29 AM | #525 |
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Yes and not quite. The impulse provided in space is typically fractions of a g.
You can watch videos of things floating slowly towards the walls during iss boosts. Will look for a link. ETA: https://youtu.be/u4ggQdkTcLo |
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What is the flat earth theory with regard to the fact that the sizes of southern land masses are much larger that are shown on a flat earth map than they are generally known to be? Have all the pilots that fly over Australia hidden the fact that Australia is about twice as wide on a flat Earth maps as it is normally reported to be? They also seem to be failing to notice that the shape of Australia as shown on a flat Earth map is much different than the shape of Australia shown in normal maps.
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Ugh, I just realized that there is a major hole in my model. The sun is high in the sky in the northern hemisphere and low in the sky in the southern hemisphere when it is summer in the northern hemisphere and winter in the southern hemisphere. How can this be accomplished with a flat earth?
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Well, that's the rub of it Octavo, though not what flat Earther's fear but what the heck would all the spherical conspirators fear if the Earth were in fact flat? As far as conspiracy theories go, the flat Earth has to be the lamest. Heck, it doesn't even rise to the level of a Scooby Doo plot. At least there the perpetrator has some reason for the hoax. Forget assassinations, shape shifting reptilian aliens, clandestine and ancient societies controlling the fate of the world, fluoridation of water sapping and impurifying ones precious bodily fluids, false flag attacks, super secret suppressed technology, forget all that. Oooohhhh nooooos the great and terrible secret that must be protected at all costs is simply the geometrical shape of the Earth?!?!
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See, and that's why it doesn't even rise to the level of a Scooby Doo plot. As there is no reason why the geometrical shape of the Earth would either make people be or preclude them from being central to the universe.
It's like the villain pretending to be a ghost to scare people away from a haunted hayride. It's not the shape of the Earth that would make people central or not, it is the people and the nature of universe that would. Just as it is not the one pretend ghost that makes the hayride haunted but the whole she-bang and the very intent of the hayride. |
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I thought the point of the exercise was to show the sciency types that they don't really know as much as they think, that they're just parroting formulas. If you can make these hard-headed types doubt their certainty about the shape of the earth, then you can begin to show what a house of cards is evolution or something -- something you really care about because of prior religious beliefs.
The sophist poster in question is certainly not a typical educated intellectual, what with the characteristic spelling mistakes and the narrow focus on "debate", as if things could be decided by contest. |
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Problem is, this is not what they are showing. They pick up some strawman claim and try to force people to prove it to them, but none of these claims are the proof of the shape of the Earth. They are, at best, attempts of falsification, but they really turn out to be arguments from incredulity.
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Do they ever try to debunk Eratosthenes' proof of the round earth (and his calculation of its circumference)?
I suppose it would not be surprising if flat earthers tend to be math illiterate, but a math crank who's also a flat earther would surely take a whack at it. ETA: Never mind, I can google "eratosthenes debunked". |
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This is an interesting question. Since there are weird videos and sites on this all over the place I'd expect you'll find something.
It is interesting on other levels as well. Pursuing something like this would be exactly the kind of thing a person might do if they really were trying to establish their hypothesis of a flat earth and they were introspective enough to overcome their confirmation biases with regard to biblical infallibility and they were mentally astute enough to understand the geometry. I wonder how a flat earther might react to this image: No careful understanding of the geometrical understanding of the Eratosthenes estimate of the circumference of the earth is necessary. The round earth model makes one set of predictions about the size of geographical features and the flat earth model makes another. |
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What we could do is present a little challenge to flat-earthers:
If the sun is much smaller and closer to Earth than claimed by astronomers, it should be no great feat to calculate it's size and position. All we need is a bit of triangulation. Here are some solar heights that will occur on March 20 2018 at noon in Eastern USA (I have picked a future date, in case someone would like to prepare to verify the observation. It is on the spring equinox): The places are approximately on a North-South line. Miami: Elevation 63.84 degrees. Atlanta: Elevation 56.09 degrees. Toronto: Elevation 45.65 degrees. And the apparent width of the sun is 0.53 degrees in all cases. Since, no matter what or where the sun is, it can only be in one place at a time, these three lines, when plotted from the surface of Earth should cross in one place. Challenge: Based on a flat Earth, (straight baseline) plot these sun directions and establish the position of the sun on a north-south line. Then calculate its actual diameter. Show your work. Hans |
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Don't know if this has been posted yet ...
You shouldn't just summarily dismiss The Flat Earth Society. It has members all over the globe! :-) |
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Wow! The cosmic egg takes flat earth to a whole different level, this is just a massive mangled mess of jibberish he's compiled from random stuff that's fallen into his head.
He's made a nice model though which he explains maybe around the 20 minute mark and puts the whole model together at around 30 mins. https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=305s&v=2PJ1_uKGLVM |
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So since you can only "Whistle Past the Graveyard" by the NATO SEA Sparrow (Which "Debunks" the Spinning-Ball Religion by itself), Now it's time to Red Herring Fallacy your way into another Trainwreck? ... Eratosthenes (The Librarian)?? Alrighty then... "The references to Eratosthenes comes mainly from Strabo, Pliny, and Cleomedes, and here we will firstly repeat those testaments of Pliny and Cleomedes so that the reader has the information at hand, and then we will proceed to examine this story in order to show why it is in reality FALSE that Eratosthenes was the first to know this method of calculating the Earth’s circumference, and that it is also FALSE to say that he conducted an experiment based on the method itself. ... As we will see, the astronomical calculation itself shows that according to 'Eratosthenes’ information (copied from Cleomedes and Strabo) it is IMPOSSIBLE that he carried out *AN ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENT* according to the method described..." http://www.academia.edu/27928173/How...y_Eratosthenes KaBooM!! If you disagree , then Please Post the "Scientific Evidence" from Eratosthenes... a. What Phenomenon was Observed...? b. Post the Formal Scientific Hypothesis then EXPERIMENT that validates his claim...? c. Highlight the "Independent Variable" that was used in the TEST...? d. Post the Null Hypothesis that was Rejected/Falsified...? fyi: It'd be easier Resurrecting Alexander The Great's Horse than answering these simple questions. 1. "Equations" are NOT "Scientific Evidence". 2. According to the Heliocentric (Sun Worshiping) Spinning-Ball Religion, the sun is 93 million miles away (); Therefore by definition, all Light Rays from the Sun that contact the Earth/Moon MUST BE "PARALLEL". Say Goodnight... a. So according to 'The Narrative' (aka: Fairytale) we have the 'purported' Penumbra (Caused by 'Convergent' Sun Rays) vs Eratosthenes ('Parallel' Sun Rays). Y'all Stage 5 Cling with a Kung Fu Death Grip to Eratosthenes Trainwreck (Which btw, was Independently Falsified unwittingly by Cleomedes six ways from Sunday and common sense) yet at the same time Mindlessly PARROT "B' gAAK... Penumbra !!"?? See the Contradiction? (Rhetorical at this point) Listen Closely, according to your Fairytale...Every Photon that hits the Earth/Moon MUST -- by simple geometry and definition, be traveling at a Dead "Balls On" 90.00000000000000000000 degrees from ANY point on the surface of the Sun to it's straight line sister location on either the Earth/Moon. If a Photon is fired at </> 90.00000000000000000000 degrees from any point on the surface of the sun to its straight line sister location from 93 MILLION MILES AWAY ...then it will MISS the Earth/Moon by Hundreds of Thousands to Million of MILES !!!! Ya Follow? (Again Rhetorical) They ('Convergent' Sun Rays vs 'Parallel' Sun Rays) are "Mutually Exclusive". So, Errr...you have to pick one. Which is it Spinning-Ball Religioners?? ps. If you haven't realized it by now, and by the responses in this thread... You Haven't , that... no matter the choice you make: You're Screwed regards |
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Ahh, thought you could resist returning.
Sea sparrow, in short: Line of sight, ground to air. Maximum range is something different. Information is unclassified part, hence incomplete. Next.
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Nope, a guided missile, even one limited by line of site, demonstrates ("Debunks") no such thing. It's one of the reasons why the missile is, well, guided to the target.
Nope, significantly different regions of the Earth can be illuminated by very similar locations on the sun. https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/...ra-shadow.html Thus the rays can be close to parallel without being parallel. The question then comes how dependent are the results on the rays being exactly parallel. Based on MRC_Hans post at just 0.5 degrees of arc that would account for just about 7% of the 7°12' arc difference calculated. |
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