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17th December 2017, 03:07 PM | #561 |
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The sun exhibits what is called "black body radiation". A little counter-intuitive, but remember, this is a very HOT black body. Every spot in the sun radiates an equal amount of energy in all directions. Thus, every spot of the (visible) surface of the sun radiates energy both at the Earth and the Moon. The reason we consider the rays parallel is only that the sun is so far away.
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Right, but even Sirius, some 8.6 light years away, has a detectable angular size.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanbur...d_Twiss_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_diameter
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No, seriously. Why is it that when I'm say, Virginia or Florida, I can't see the Southern Cross but when I fly to South Africa and/or Botswana I can?
On the. Topic of Sea Sparrows, you know there's a standard computation for terrain masking by curvature of the earth right? We used to have a template to draw on the chart but now the computers just figure it out for you. |
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Still avoiding your observations of compass behaviour I see.
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I've made a serious effort to understand what Daniel's point is with regard to the need for a container to explain atmospheric pressure. I have thought that at times I might have understood it a bit, but now it seems that I have no clue as to what he is talking about. He seems to agree that atmospheric pressure declines with altitude. Does anybody understand his theory beyond that a container is necessary for atmospheric pressure to exist?
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Your stupid Sea Sparrow point is dead, deceased, gone to meet it's maker, and is totally bereft of life. It's not even pining for the fjords.
Your only reply was moving the goal posts to get a citation which mentioned the Sea Sparrow, as if Line Of Sight means something different for the Sea Sparrow. It doesn't. If it did, it's on you to find a definition of Line Of Sight specific to the Sea Sparrow only. An air target can be 35 miles out and above the horizon. Still a valid target for Sea Sparrow. Surface target would be limited by the horizon and it is not the only kind of valid target. Your continued clinging to this point long past it's expiration date only serves to expose for all a lack of openness to valid criticism on your part. |
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Hi Daniel, there has been a sub thread going on as to what the flat earth explanation is for the difference in the shape of Australia as it is normally believed to be and the flat earth theory about the shape of Australia. You'd think by now some airline pilot, Australian map maker, or just some Australian that happened to drive across Australia would have noticed that Australia is much wider than the maps show it to be.
Several people offered helpful ideas about what the explanation might be. A summary: 1. Unicorns 2. The existence of Australia is a hoax. Ehocking confirmed that Australia was a hoax because he was born there. 3. Fosters |
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I wonder what mental gymnastics a flattard would have to go through to retain his delusions if he were to spend a few days on ISS. How would he process:
- Earth perpetually spinning by beneath, the horizon remaining perpetually equidistant in all azimuths. - The very perceptible curve of the Earth's limb, which moreover always presents as a parallel on a spherical surface with the observer at the center. As though one were instead *fixed in place above the center of a disk*, instead of flying along at 8 km/s. - The Sun and stars wheeling by overhead, with Polaris oscillating between some 56 degrees up and 56 degrees down every orbit. - The fact of familiar landmasses appearing over the horizon only when relatively nearby (on the scale of either a globe or a platter planet). - The fact of the Sun radiating an unchanging incident intensity at all times when not dipping into the atmosphere. To see these things occuring over a brief cycle of but 90 minutes should invoke *some* prodding against dogmatic belief that a surface-bound existence *might* be excused of fostering. We have quite a number of astronauts from several nations who can attest to direct witness, but I guess the flattards just discount them as deluded victims of a hoax, if not as outright liars. |
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He won't. He's following the standard woo pattern of thought:
(1) Adopt an utterly idiotic belief that contradicts a particular body of knowledge. (2) Find a fact that, when carefully misinterpreted, can appear incompatible with that body of knowledge. (3) Insist dogmatically that the misinterpretation is the only possible interpretation. (4) Insist equally dogmatically that the misinterpreted fact refutes the entire body of knowledge. (5) Insist that this proves that the idiotic belief is correct. (6) Abuse anyone who points out the obvious flaws in this logic. Don't be fooled into thinking that this process involves communication. Dave |
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I was busy, tired of repeating myself, and answering Red Herring Fallacies.
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That's NOT an Experiment, for goodness sakes. You'd "FAIL" 5th Grade General Science.
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Profound!! Does length differ with distance?
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Not with Plane Trig it's not.
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1. For what Purpose? 2. It's a Begging The Question Fallacy on Multiple Levels. a. Look up "Apparent Sun". b. 'Latitude and Longitude' is merely a Convention...i.e., they're NOT REAL.
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Yes like Hydrogen is Straw Man to Water.
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I have a revelation for you...this can be reconciled by a Third Grader. "Crepuscular rays are Parallel!" http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/ba.../#.WjgQ8FWnG02 'duh' regards |
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In what possible scenario, flat earth or round earth, are the sun's rays parallel?
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18th December 2017, 12:31 PM | #576 |
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I can understand you get tired of repeating yourself. I would be if I did it as much as you do.
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Translation: I have no coherent argument/position.
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How am I 'moving the goalposts' when my entire point was the Sea Sparrow's capabilities, for goodness sakes?
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Line of Sight is the same with the Sea Sparrow as it is with anything else.
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What on Earth are you talking about?
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Factually Incorrect. As spoken about previously (about 10 Times, complete with Examples) ... If there was a Limitation(s) in Range, then it/they would be Identified. It's NOT Identified anywhere, Ergo...Range is not limited by anything other than it's inherent ballistics.
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What on Earth sir?
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So missiles can't sink ships, eh? So they make Anti-Ship Missiles for what purpose...just to piss the enemy off?? lol
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The didn't have "WHAT" 2500 years ago?
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There's nothing to solve...you had no point.
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For the Us Navy: Primary --- Gyros.
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For the 128,765 Time!! ... Begging The Question/Red Herring Fallacy: How do you have a GAS PRESSURE (Atmospheric Pressure) WITHOUT a Container...."TO BEGIN WITH" ?? When... "The "PRESSURE OF A GAS" is the force that the gas exerts on the WALLS OF IT'S CONTAINER". http://chemistry.elmhurst.edu/vchemb...0pressure.html Ya see, before you can appeal to "VARYING" Gas Pressure you MUST ANSWER where we got GAS PRESSURE to begin with. Is there something particularly confusing about this ^^^^^ ?? regards |
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It's similar to the Phenomenon of watching a Plane fly over your head in Missouri but somebody in Chicago won't be able to see it.
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Sea Sparrow missiles can't sink ships. They have a 40kg warhead. ... you can read, right?
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If I wasn't already convinced you're just trolling I'd be amused that you used a phenomena caused by the curvature of the Earth to argue against the curvature of the Earth. As it is, I offer a thumbs up on your trolling style. Simple and uninspired, yet, based upon the ongoing replies, effective.
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So ANTI-SHIP Missiles can't sink ships. Good to Know
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So then I suppose... there was no Experiment then?
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Newsflash: There is no EXPERIMENT to show whether the Earth is Flat/Sphere or any other shape; it's outside the purview of The Scientific Method. Of course, if you had even the faintest clue of what The Scientific Method was you wouldn't have just Trainwrecked yourself. Good Job
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There is no challenge... there is no point. Because if there was a point, you would have already shown it in lieu of babbling on about nothing.
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So you charge me with Reading Comprehension Issues by stating the NATO Sea Sparrow is ONLY an Anti-Missile Weapon, when ... "ESSM (RIM 162) offers naval combatants reliable self-defence and high fire-power. The missile can be launched from surface ships to destroy threats that include high speed, highly maneuvering anti-ship cruise missiles, low velocity air threats (LVATs), high-diving threats and SURFACE-BASED TARGETS. It can also engage attack aircraft, helicopters and SHIPS." http://www.naval-technology.com/proj...-missile-essm/ "The ESSM ANTI-SHIP MISSILE is powered by a high performance Mk 134 Mod 0 rocket motor dual-propellant propulsion system that develops high thrust. The motor can operate in temperatures ranging between -14°F to 133°F. The propulsion system provides the missile with a speed of over Mach 4 and A RANGE OF MORE THAN 50km." http://www.naval-technology.com/proj...-missile-essm/ Your claim is tantamount to Pol Pot charging the Dalai Lama with Genocide. regards |
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I can take a shot at the Begging The Question/Red Herring Fallacy, After you Respond to MY ACTUAL ARGUMENT... How do you have a GAS PRESSURE (Atmospheric Pressure) WITHOUT a Container...."TO BEGIN WITH" ?? When... "The "PRESSURE OF A GAS" is the force that the gas exerts on the WALLS OF IT'S CONTAINER". http://chemistry.elmhurst.edu/vchemb...0pressure.html regards |
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The Earth, the planet we live on (well, some of us at least) is an Oblate Spheroid.
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I'm sure they can't. In the case of the Sea Sparrow (40kg warhead) just only quite small ships.
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Total nonsense. The scientific method easily shows that Earth is a rotating sphere orbiting the sun. To find out, try to solve the challenge I have given you. Hans |
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Pssssst. Loose Lips, Sink Ships ...
Why do the solar eclipses listed here:https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/list.html have such strange paths of totality on your flat Earth? |
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