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19th December 2017, 12:01 PM | #641 |
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With respect to pressure you have no argument, you have cherry picked quotes, you have nonsense.
Take a plastic glove. Tie it off at or near sea level. Now travel to the mountains, and watch the glove expand. Oh noes, the walls of your container, the glove, have expanded due to pressure differences between sea level and higher up the mountain. Don't do this, the FEer anti-science fantasy of no gravity and flat earth will evaporate. Why do fantasy anti-science claims require cherry picking and quote mining sources to support the lies of flat earth no gravity woo? http://chemistry.elmhurst.edu/vchemb...0pressure.html Your source says.
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You cherry pick quotes, and debunk yourself by including the source. You have no argument. Regressing to the middle ages in thinking, is not an argument, it is a failed education, and willful ignorance. This is comedy anti-science? You are joking right? Oh, your world has no gravity. Do you have hills in your world? Does this mean on a mountain your compass points down towards what? Really? Add magnetic fields to the list of science FEers don't understand. Prove a compass can't work on a spherical earth, and use some math/science/physics. Wait, FEers don't do science, they make up failed questions and think the delusions are arguments. Is there a diagram how a compass works on a flat earth? How far away is the current north star in the flat earth fantasy world? Post your flat earth map. How far is the sun? Show the geometry for the sun on the flat earth in a diagram. What will globalist grandkids think when they see post by flat earth no gravity grandad posts? How do the flat earth fanatics explain eclipses. FLAT EARTH INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE - it is all about the money. |
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Irrelevant.
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19th December 2017, 01:15 PM | #646 |
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Yep.
Independent variable: Latitude of observation. Or, if you prefer, distance from the North Pole. You make observations in variable distances from the North Pole. Dependent variable: Observed angle to the Sun at a given time. Testable hypothesis: Observations will confirm that we observe the sun from a spheroid object. Prediction: Sun angle will vary in a way that cannot be explained by triangulating the sun from a flat surface. That's your experiment. If you don't believe the recorded results (hypothesis confirmed) you are welcome to go out and do the experiment yourself. It is relatively easy. Have fun! Hans |
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General relativity reduces to Newtonian gravity in the appropriate limit.
http://www.math.uchicago.edu/~may/VI...ers/Tolish.pdf Technically it is a field. Like electro-magnetism is a field. However, unlike the electro-magnetic forces (resulting from those fields) the force of gravity is a fictitious or inertial force. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictitious_force It is a Scientific Theory based on Scientific Laws. Matter and energy distribution. In general relativity that is represented by the stress energy tensor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress...3energy_tensor No problem. At least the Sea Sparrow shtick was new but this ignorance of gravity routine is really old and played out. Again almost literally word for word that of another poster on another thread. |
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Yep, Daniel's own citation notes it as a Surface to Air Missile in the very first sentence and then a number of times later. For the quote mined phrase I think the author was going for more of anti anti ship missile missile (an anti missile for anti ship missiles) but it didn't survive editing.
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Na, it's just "Science".
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asstronomy isn't "Science" because it doesn't conform to The Scientific Method... Watch... Post One Formal Scientific Hypothesis EVER constructed in the entire history of asstronomy...? OR... Show how you can have "Science" without Scientific Hypotheses...? Ya see professor... The sine qua non of "Science" is The Scientific Method. The sine qua non of The Scientific Method is "Experiments" (Hypothesis Tests). The sine qua non of Experiments is "Hypothesis". "The Scientific Method is Hypothesis-Driven;" http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~pyo22/s...ypothesis.html "If it doesn't agree with EXPERIMENT, it's WRONG. In that simple statement is the KEY to SCIENCE". Richard Feynman (Nobel Prize, Physics); The Essence Of Science In 60 Seconds. “EXPERIMENT is the only means of knowledge at our disposal. Everything else is POETRY, IMAGINATION.” Max Planck (Nobel Prize, Physics), Quoted in; Atkins P.W.,: Molecular Quantum Mechanics; Oxford University Press, 1983 "The scientific method REQUIRES that an hypothesis be ruled out or modified if its predictions are clearly and repeatedly incompatible with EXPERIMENTAL TESTS. Further, no matter how elegant a theory is, its predictions must agree with EXPERIMENTAL RESULTS if we are to believe that it is a VALID description of nature. In physics, as in every experimental science, "EXPERIMENT is Supreme" and EXPERIMENTAL VERIFICATION of hypothetical predictions is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY." http://teacher.nsrl.rochester.edu/ph...appendixe.html Uh Ohh... ... "Unlike the other sciences, astronomy is *ENTIRELY OBSERVATIONAL*. You CANNOT run EXPERIMENTS on things. You cannot manipulate the objects to see how they work." http://www.astronomynotes.com/starprop/s2.htm So, Crocheting is more "Scientific" than asstronomy. Cut and Dry
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Not Solely. no. SEE: The Scientific Method above. My 8 year old just measured a Bread Box...he's not a Scientist as a result.
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Not Solely, no. Stuff, eh?
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geology and geomorphology are most assuredly Pseudo-Sciences, it's Prima Facie. Biology, zoology, and cell biology would have to be dealt with on a Case by Case basis.
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Generalized Sweeping Ipse Dixit Baseless 'bare' Assertion Fallacies (Like Here) are Infantile Declarations. I forgot more Science yesterday than you'll ever know.
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Genetics, Biochemistry/Chemistry, and Quantum Mechanics are The REAL "Sciences" in a General Sense. Meaning, each claim would still have to be evaluated on a Case-by-Case basis to see if it conformed to The Scientific Method, respectively.
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That's a Pretty Funny Straw Man Fallacy. The better, more apt question... How in the World can you use your Computer/Smart Phone which is enabled by Quantum Mechanics, and at the same time Stage 5 Cling to with a Kung Fu Death Grip that which Quantum Mechanics has Bludgeoned then Jettisoned into the Incoherent Oblivion !! ...The Fairytale 👉 Philosophical Naturalism/Realism -- aka: atheism Religion? A Real Life, Walking Talking Contradiction. Hypocrite Much? You need any more Gasoline with your Matches? regards |
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Wo Wo Wo there professor. Why do you need a Plastic Glove (CONTAINER)??
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Yes and Pocahontas was a MI6 Mermaid and the mastermind behind the sinking of the Lusitania.
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Sure. More than 50 km, right here... "The ESSM ANTI-SHIP MISSILE is powered by a high performance Mk 134 Mod 0 rocket motor dual-propellant propulsion system that develops high thrust. The motor can operate in temperatures ranging between -14°F to 133°F. The propulsion system provides the missile with a speed of over Mach 4 and A RANGE OF MORE THAN 50km." http://www.naval-technology.com/proj...-missile-essm/ pssst: all in need is "11 km" to Implode the entire "Spinning-Ball" Religion. regards |
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Yes and I'm A Saudi Prince and a Mau Mau Fighter Pilot... Newtonian Gravity is ... "A Force". EinSHtienian Gravity is NOT ... "A Force". "Einstein came up with the theory of general relativity (1915), the prototype of all modern gravitational theories. Its crucial ingredient, involving a colossal intellectual jump, is the concept of gravitation, NOT AS A FORCE, but as a manifestation of the curvature of space-time..." https://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/...ekenstein.html Of course that leads into another 'problem', your "scientific community" (as if) doesn't follow Newtonian 'gravity'... "...Einstein created his GENERAL THEORY OF RELATIVITY—which provides OUR MODERN UNDERSTANDING of gravity —with the express purpose of expunging nonlocality from physics. Isaac Newton's gravity acted at a distance, as if by magic, and general relativity snapped the wand in two by showing that the curvature of spacetime, and NOT AN INVISIBLE FORCE, gives rise to gravitational attraction." Musser George: How Einstein Revealed the Universe's Strange "Nonlocality"; Scientific American, November 2015. https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...e-nonlocality/ They are 'Mutually Exclusive'. They're not even in the same Geometry for cryin out-loud: Newtonian 'gravity' is Euclidean 3 Space; whereas, EinSHtienian 'gravity' is Pseudo- Riemannian 4 Space. Can you reconcile your TRAINWRECK here for us? General Relativity reduces to a Fairytale. Do you need me to PUMMEL Einstein's Trainwrecks, specifically?? Say When!
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Thanks!! ... "Scientific Theories": "Explain" The How/WHY (mechanisms/process) and Identify The CAUSE ; e.g., Germ Theory. Scientific Theories are the Result of Validated/ Confirmed Scientific Hypotheses that have been rigorously TESTED via The Scientific Method. "Scientific Laws": "describe" The What/IS (The How/Why and "CAUSE" is N/A). They are based SOLELY on OBSERVATIONS of Natural Laws; often expressed mathematically. e.g., 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. That's why they're called The Laws of Thermodynamics and NOT the 'Theories' of Thermodynamics. A Scientific Law NEVER becomes a Scientific Theory or Vice Versa because they each deal with different questions are in two different domains. 'duh' *Caveat* : The "Scientific" in 'Scientific Laws' is a Misnomer because they never enter into The Scientific Method -- ( *"Science" -- 'Scientific'* ), as mentioned... they are merely 'descriptions' of Natural Laws. *Scientific Law vs Scientific Theory:* "Look above at the last definitions under Law and Theory. These definitions clearly differentiate the two words. Some scientists will tell you that the difference between them is that a LAW DESCRIBES WHAT NATURE DOES under certain conditions, and will predict what will happen as long as those conditions are met. A THEORY EXPLAINS HOW NATURE WORKS ..... From this view, laws and theories "do" different things and have different roles to play in science." http://facultyweb.kennesaw.edu/rmats...s/theories.php btw: You'd "FAIL" 5th Grade General Science. regards |
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I'll add to the highlighting.
The propulsion system provides the missile with a speed of over Mach 4 and A RANGE OF MORE THAN 50km." Unless you're arguing that it doesn't have enough fuel, your highlighted part is irrelevant and has nothing to do with what is or isn't visible on sea or in the sky. |
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Amazing You continue to be.. wrong. about everything.
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I cannot believe you are even trying to still cling to a false interpretation.
Missile can fly 50 km. Targeting limited by line of sight. I can fire a bullet from a rifle a mile or two. I can't hit a target easily by targeting with my eye or scope if the target is out of my sight in a ravine 200 yards away. It is exactly the same principle. Enough of the trolling on your part. |
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If the earth was flat, or the jet was far enough away and high enough on the horizon (like a star), you would be able to see it. Daniel, no one who is capable of working out how to post to a forum like this can be that dumb. What do you get out of this trolling? I mean you tend to put a lot of words in many of your emails, so it is taking up some amount of time for you to do this. What drives your behavior? I am actually more interested in that... |
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Daniel,
The molecules that comprise the atmosphere have mass, just as do the molecules that make up your body. The same force which pulls you down to the ground when you step off a building pulls atmospheric molecules toward the Earth. The ocean of air responds to this force by compressing to higher density with decreasing altitude, settling to an equilibrium condition. The vadt bulk of the air does not escape to space because both the temperature (which is a measure of the speed of motion of the molecules) and the density (which determines the mean free path between collisions) are insufficient at lower altitudes. But at the quite high altitudes of the upper thermosphere, where high temperature and very low density permit, atoms and molecules can and do escape to space. You invoke the air hissing out of a tire when punctured, as proof of the escape of a gas when not contained. That's just an illustration of the equilibriation of a pressure differential; once the internal pressure equals that outside, the air exchange settles down to diffusion via Brownian motion. But really, all this is moot. The fatal flaw of the flat Earth nonsense is best revealed by this simple fact. A flat disk must everywhere see the Sun (or Moon, or planet, or star) set or rise at the same time. (The fact of the Sun, Moon, planets and stars all rising and setting while they wheel about the sky at essentially fixed angular velocity is not an illusion, right?) The notion of a 'floodlight' Sun that preferentially illuminates that part of the disk beneath it, in order to account for the differing times of day/night, CANNOT explain how it is that all places see the Sun shining at essentially full brilliance (accounting for the diminution near the horizon) while it's above the horizon. The 'floodlight' model MUST have the Sun fade in/out while still some angular distance above the horizon. The simplest geometry that can be understood by a fifth grader tells us this. The experiment proposed earlier, whereby three or more people at widely separated places measure the Sun's altitude and azimuth at the same instant, would put the nail in the coffin of a disk world concept. If the Earth were really flat, we would find all lines of sight converging at the same place, some fairly small height above our platter planet. But no matter how careful our experimenters are, there will be found a wide divergence in their sight lines, with no hint of a common convergence whatsoever. Those same results, though, when placed on a spherical model of Earth, would always be found to be essentially parallel, given that they're pointing to a spot some 93 million miles distant. The difference between the flat Earth/near Sun and the round Earth/distant Sun is so utterly and markedly apparent that you and two other correspondents in other countries which all see the Sun above the horizon simultaneously could carry out this test so easily and provide your own direct proof. Do it for a star, as well, to show that for our first order purposes the Sun is practically as distant as the stars. Your equipment need be no more complicated than a compass and a plastic protractor. While the compass may introduce an error of a couple or few degrees, this will be found to be rather smaller than the disparity between the two models. Once you have your results, obtain a reasonably large map of your flat Earth. For each observer, place a wood skewer oriented to the appropriate azimuth and altirude for that Sun sighting. If your model is correct, all skewers will point to a common point of intersection. The more observers, the better, and from as widely scattered a region of the planet (having the Sun simultaneously seen) as possible. Such an undertaking would qualify as real and true science. You could probably organize something through this group of folk in this Forum... I'm in Ottawa, Canada, and would be willing to give it a go. |
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Just out of curiosity Daniel,
We know Venus, Titan and the gas giants are all spheres. We know they have an atmosphere. You claim that is impossible. How does that work? |
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Flat Earth 'theory' taking over the ... 'globe'?
You have no clue what pressure is, as you quote mine science to support the fantasy of flat earth. You ignore the science you quote mine. As predicted, you can't support your claims with the science you quote out of context to support the delusion of flat earth.
Thus you can't provide math and physics to explain how far the North star is, the moon, the sun, or anything. You can't make a diagram of the sunset, or explain why celestial navigation works. It might be true you have no clue what celestial navigation is. You can't do diagram and geometry to support the lie of a flat earth. I got it, the flat earth no gravity cherry picking quote mining fest of woo is based on projection.
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I've forgotten more grammar in the last 10 seconds than you've ever known.
Oh, and if you try and bring religion into this discussion I'll report you for a Rule 11 breach.
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Sunlight reaches the bottom of a particular well at noon.
In ancient Greek times nobody had commented on the implications of this. The Earth is a sphere. The altitude of the sun may be used to measure the circumference of the Earth by comparing results at different latitudes. Measure the altitude of the sun at two different latitudes at local noon. Analysis of the data yields a circumference of ~25,000 miles. The hypothesis that the Earth is a sphere of circumference 25,000 miles is consistent with results. The hypothesis that the Earth is flat, is not. The former hypothesis is validated. The latter is invalidated. Done so effectively that even flat earthers are aware of them. It's quite obvious that Daniel doesn't understand his own posts. Dave |
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These are no less credible than any other claim you make, actually.
Neither of these statements is correct; both are, in fact, theories which describe the actual phenomenon known as "Gravity". The suggestion that there are therefore two different types of gravity is utterly moronic; there are in fact two ways of describing gravity, one of which is outstandingly excellent and the other of which is merely very, very good. And, of course, if you understood anything about GR, you'd realise that one of its fundamental postulates is that the effect of gravity is locally indistinguishable from acceleration due to a force. Dave |
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You rant on and on and on about the scientific method. Now it's time for you to put up or shut up. Please state your model for how the atmospheric pressure varies by altitude. You don't have to define every little bit (at first) but it does have to be predictive. This is how science works. In order for a new set of models and hypothesies to claim the throne they must have the same predictive powers as the existing models and hypothesies. In addition they need to explain things that the existing models and hypothesies are not able to explain. No more deflections. Explain your model or sit the **** down. |
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You have one skill - making up up clueless nonsense with ease.
It reminds me of this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJIvBeVKoQA |
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Oh, the one-trick pony has returned? This stuff is just a rehash of same time last year.
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OK, how nice for you.
Nope, technically not "A" force, since even in Newtonian Gravity the resulting force would be different for bodies of different mas. What Remains the same, even in Newtonian Gravity, for bodies of different mass in the same gravitational field is acceleration. Ever read the actual theory? I have, quote mining for particular internet phrases not from the theory won't help. Nope, gave a paper, dispute it on its merits if you want. Yep, that's why the Newtonian limit is generally a flat space time (the Minkowski metric), a different Geometry. Glad you know where that limit be, yet sad you evidently don't even acknowledge the very limit you just asserted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newtonian_limit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minkowski_space It is demonstrably your wreck (train or otherwise), reconcile it however you wish. Again, dispute the papers assertions if you wish. OK, Hyperphysics if you want. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/corf.html http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...iv/relcon.html Again, no problem. OK, none of that disputes a scientific theory being based on scientific laws. By all means, please, present your augments for why scientific theory can't be based on scientific laws Nope, one of the few classes I never failed, even back then. Whatever. |
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Lurch, don't want to spoil your fun of doing the experiment... But
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Excellent! It simplifies the protocol to finding the Sun's highest elevation at local noon on a particular day. No having to invoke spherical trigonometry when taking the observations all at the same instant over a range of longitude.
My work has been done for me. Thanks for linking to this. I hope Daniel and other flat Earthers will cogitate on such a simple yet profound experimental proof of the ball of rock we inhabit. As we know, they are hardly inclined to do this for themselves, contenting to navel gaze and parrot idiocy in willful ignorance or obstreporous denial. |
20th December 2017, 01:25 PM | #680 |
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