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21st December 2017, 11:54 AM | #721 |
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21st December 2017, 11:58 AM | #722 |
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I answered your questions. The fact that you refuse to accept the answers is your own problem. Now, back to the question you keep evading: how do you explain the fact that the air pressure at the top of Mount Everest is different to the air pressure at sea level?
Anything you say other than an answer to the above question will be dismissed as a red herring. Dave |
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21st December 2017, 12:05 PM | #723 |
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You'll get another cut and paste job from another forum, Dave, like most other answers in the thread. It's a great way of not having to think.
- I'd like Daniel to explain why he was so vehemently dismissive of flat earth theory 2 or 3 years ago, and yet its biggest disciple now. |
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21st December 2017, 12:08 PM | #724 |
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Wait a second. If you've "pummelled" Einstein's theory of gravity, why aren't YOU the one written about and cited in physics textbooks?
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21st December 2017, 12:22 PM | #725 |
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And it can. When they are 50km away and above the horizon, such as air targets.
You can't very well, thanks for repeating my point. You can when they appear above the ravine, at the same distance. This has to be an act on your part, or basic geometry questions should be avoided by you in the future. |
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21st December 2017, 12:26 PM | #726 |
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21st December 2017, 12:47 PM | #727 |
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Please explain without deflecting to either your "gravity" skit or your "begging the question" skit or any of your countless other deflections; why is the atmospheric pressure on top of Mount Everest different to the atmospheric pressure at sea level?
You yourself admitted this, remember? Or are you suddenly claiming that the atmosphere has no atmospheric pressure? Or are you just implicitly admitting that you have no explanation? |
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21st December 2017, 03:13 PM | #731 |
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21st December 2017, 04:08 PM | #732 |
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A question for Daniel (that I doubt he will answer). Why is it, that during a sunset or sunrise, clouds are illuminated by the sun when it is no longer (or not yet in a sunrise) visible on the ground?
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21st December 2017, 04:38 PM | #733 |
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Nope, as already noted general relativity reduces to Newtonian gravity in the appropriate limits.
Too bad, guess you missed the parts about it reducing to Newtonian gravity in the appropriate limits and resulting gravitational forces being inertial. Sorry, I don't recall anything in the theory about it requiring your approval, acceptance or even understanding. See, if you had actually read the theory you might have been able to address the theory instead of the above pretense. Once again had you actually read the theory you might have been able to actually address the theory. EPR thought experiment and subsequent tests, Bell's theorem, Wheeler's delayed-choice and quantum erasure experiments, I've read them all as well. As well as them having been discussed on different threads here. None directly refute either special or general relativity. Something you would know if you had actually read them. Nope, I asserted how those references direcly apply. Once again still not refuting a scientific theory being based on scientific laws Again, whatever. |
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21st December 2017, 05:48 PM | #735 |
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I have a personal example of this phenomenon,. I've attached a picture I took at sunset from a Wal-Mart parking lot in Crestwood, Illinois.
According to Daniel's long disproved theory, this would put the Sun underground. |
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21st December 2017, 10:15 PM | #736 |
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Actually what you said was
And ever since post 337 where I pointed out that is exactly what happens - you've been avoiding the subject with a passion. You really must regret your assertion that a N.Hemisphere compass does indeed "bury the need in the ring" when used in the S.Hemisphere. Feel free to ignore the assertion you made that demonstrates that the earth is a sphere. I'll keep reminding you. |
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22nd December 2017, 06:10 AM | #741 |
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True. To be honest, I'm more interested in taxonomy than content here, so to some extent I'm just poking Daniel with a stick to see which standard woo tactics he employs. Clearly his go-to play is taking a teaching text that's intended to give a simple example of how the scientific method's applied and insisting that this simplified example is the totality of the scientific method, which is a sub-genre of cherry-picking that ought to have a name all its own. There's also the supporting ploy of suggesting people contact the authors of his sources, as a means of creating the illusion that they actively support him, which is related to but not identical to "the lurkers support me in e-mail," more along the lines of "these authorities would support me if they knew we were arguing." And then, of course, there's the simple denial that anything he doesn't like the look of conforms to his definitions even when it does. I'm not sure whether these have informal names, but they'd be useful to compile.
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22nd December 2017, 08:20 AM | #742 |
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True, and he was narrowing his argument to a Sea Sparrow instruction itself, which focused on the firing platform itself. Via link to other platform targeting systems, it is possible to target beyond that. Since I was not on a Sea Sparrow vessel and have not linked with any, I am not aware of whether the Sea Sparrow is capable of accepting Link targets via the SSDS. It appears it may at some point be able to in one reference I have found.
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22nd December 2017, 09:23 AM | #743 |
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Clearly, forward observers don't exist.
The kicker is, I have yet to see a flat Earther provide any kind of viable theory that encompasses all the observations we have. We had enough information to thoroughly disregard flat earth thousands of years ago, so I suppose their only tactics are to deny available facts. E.g: we don't really know the planets are spheres, when you can see the phases of the moon with the naked eye and the phases of Venus with a half decent "birding" scope. |
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It's a lot like Creationism in that regard. They have no real theory of their own, just a bunch of ignorant nay-saying, deliberate lying, and nit-picking about the opposition.
For example, I have yet to see a Flat Earth explanation for atmospheric pressure gradients. The lower air pressure at the top of Mount Everest is a conundrum I have yet to see any of them even try to explain. |
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Speaking of Sigma Octantis, how is it that the star is simultaneously visible from opposite ends of the allegedly Flat Earth, but not the regions of the "Northern Hemisphere?"
You've addressed this topic before, but not in a manner that actually took into account the regions from which Sigma Octantis is visible. Look at that map above. It is visible from the entirety of what would be the outer rim of that map, but not the center. How is that possible on a Flat Earth? |
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I wonder whether Daniel could explain why atmospheric pressure diminishes with increasing altitude?
I've been wondering about this for years! |
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That would be a weak argument - perfect for Flat Earthers!
You only see that particular star in the same arrangement of stars, and always close to the Celestial South Pole, whether you are in Sydney, Cape Town, or Ushuala. Holes lining up would all be visible as such at all three points - if the firmament were in reality a dome with Polaris at the apex, the stars rotating in time lapse about the Celestial South Pole could not happen. |
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big hint: Don't talk about LOS with regards to over the horizon related issues. Is there a horizon on a flat earth? Another issue flat earth cult members can't explain. The flat earth delusion would have zero LOS issues on the ocean. Talking about it, debunks flat earth. Why is this is beyond FEers LOS.
Funny stuff. How can there be line of sight issues on the fantasy flat earth ocean. It appears LOS is in the same bag FEers have gravity in. A bag labeled complete ignorance. graders |
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