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29th November 2017, 08:47 AM | #41 |
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29th November 2017, 09:03 AM | #43 |
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But did those scientists have SCIENCE sitting on their heads and whistling Dixie? More importantly, did they know it?
As with so many of these theories, it comes down to the theorist thinking that they know science better than everyone else including actual experts. If nothing else they have great self esteem. |
29th November 2017, 12:24 PM | #44 |
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I've PUMMELED Soundly's Nonsense into the Incoherent Oblivion, personally... The total distance of these power lines over Lake Pontchartrain is 15.9 Miles. Per Soundly: Viewer Height was between 35 - 50 Feet, so let's say 40 Feet. The distance between each Pylon is .18 Miles. (~88 Pylons) I counted ~ 40 Pylons in Soundly's now infamous "P-900" shot...roughly 7 Miles, with some significant curvature. Louisiana Length (North/South = 379 Miles) If Soundly's Pics/Video are Accurate; THEN, we MUST LIVE ON... "PLANET LOUISIANA" !! smh Furthermore, according to your 'Spinning-Ball' Narrative, every point along a Tangent from your feet falls away from you in every direction at 8" per mile2. The horizon at 7 Miles from 90 degrees --- through Zero --- to 270 degrees is 21.5 MILES. So you're saying that we see significant curvature on the Z Axis....which is at 7 Miles BUT along the X Axis...which is 21.5 MILES: It's FLAT, No Curvature ??? So to remain "COHERENT" with Soundly's Z Axis, the X Axis should look like this... http://imgur.com/iWg9vSZ Do you need more Gasoline with your Matches? regards |
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I was referring to "Nobody" knows what it is. I'll show ya... 'evolution'?? What's that...? Define evolution...? a. Post the Scientific Theory of evolution...? b. Post just TWO Formal Scientific Hypotheses then Experiments that concretized it into a REAL Scientific Theory...? c. Post the Null Hypotheses that were Rejected/Falsified for each...? d. Highlight The Independent Variables used in Each TEST...? regards |
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Amazing how nobody has ever been able to see both Singapore and Chicago simultaneously from way up yonder in the sky, or even from the top of Mount Everest or Kilimanjaro
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Why?
Are you under the impression that they are somehow made up? Is it news to you that there are literally thousands of images of Earth pre-dating digital imagery and CGI? If it is then you need to step out of this conversation. Here, have a link to my personal copy of a 1968 publication containing the first image. http://onebigmonkey.com/apollo/ephem...caninspace.pdf The other one - well, how about you try and do a reverse search and see if you can work out what it is. I've got a shelf full of publications from the 1960s and 1970s all with lots of lovely photos of Earth in them taken by Apollo, Surveyor, ATS satellites, the original Lunar Orbiter series, all way before any CGI was possible. |
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So I can run them through Photo Forensics and Validate their Authenticity, Objectively.
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Yes, since every appeal ("Photo") of the Earth that I've run though Forensics has been Manipulated.
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I'll be kind, have a scan of my own dated cover to help you work out the other image I poste:
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You think you can do that with a paper copy?
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29th November 2017, 01:17 PM | #54 |
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Can you be a little more specific than "way up yonder in the sky"? Well our eyesight has limitations inherently, not even speaking to Atmospheric Conditions. With Mount Everest at 29,029 Feet, the Horizon is at 208 Miles. Is Chicago or Singapore within 208 Miles of Mount Everest? regards |
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If you measure the angle at base of the Humber Bridge towers they are 90 degrees to the ground. If you measure the distance between them they are 36 mm (1.4 inches) farther apart at the top. This is due to the curvature of the Earth.
If you measure the height of the road deck above the river Humber it is the same height right across but it is built with a curve, this is due to the curvature of the Earth. It is a solid steel and concrete measure of the curvature compared to the bottom. Similar length Suspension bridges such as Japan's Akashi Kaikyō Bridge and China's Xihoumen Bridge have similar characteristics. |
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I doubt that your "photo forensics" would remotely objective.
At some point you should examine the possibility that that's caused by your flawed methods. You're setting up an impossible level of evidence. If it's new, then it's CGI. If it's old, you need to see the original negatives which obviously aren't going to be available. Meanwhile, not only can the flat earthers not provide a *single* picture of the flat earth but they can't even come up with a map! |
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29th November 2017, 02:06 PM | #61 |
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When I am on the beach at Saltburn I can see as far up the coast as Redcar about three miles, further than that and stuff starts to disappear below the horizon. If I look across the Tees Bay I can see Hartlepool town and the cranes and warehouses at the docks but I can't see the seawall, it's below the horizon.
looking further up the coast I see less above the horizon until all I see are the tops of the cliffs at Easington and further on the tops of the tower blocks in Seaham. If I start walking up the path from the beach to the top of Warsett Hill above Huntcliff 700 ft above sea level, I see more and more. I can see Seaham harbour then the docks and lighthouses at Sunderland and the city above. Finally at the top I can see Tynemouth, over thirty miles away. It's the same with ships off the coast. At Saltburn beach I only see ships in the Tees Bay Anchorage or coming n to the Tees itself. As I go higher I can see more and more ships moving north and south along the coast. I can use my Ship Tracking App and identify them all and their distance from me. Some are service ships working on offshore Wind Farms, when the big Platform ships are in position I can see the tops of their pylons and cranes before they themselves come in to view as I climb the path. This is direct evidence with my own eyes How would this be possible on a flat Earth? |
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"Flat Earth" is a thing because YouTube pays for clicks and it's really easy to access.
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29th November 2017, 03:30 PM | #63 |
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Really? All these photos?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/projec...archive/albums Every one of 'em? How about this image from Apollo 7? One of my favorites. https://www.flickr.com/photos/projec...7658999650280/ Make sure you go to the big view. Can you explain exactly how this image was faked in 1968? Will you be doing the photo forensicatin'? And your qualifications are? |
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Why don't all the flat earthers start a kickstarter and pool their money to loan an aircraft and then fly to the edge or all the way around, whichever comes first?
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you want the source file for a photograph that was taken with a film camera? Seriously? My god, do you people think that current computer technology has been around for 60 years? JPEGs were only invented in 1992, 34 years after this shot was taken!
All missions pre-shuttle used film and photographic plates. The Lunar Orbiter missions actually had a photographic development lab and a scanner on them. They took the photos, developed them, scanned them, and radioed the scanned image back to earth to be created on what was basically a fax machine. The first CGI was done in 1968 and as you can see from looking at it below, it wasn't exactly photorealistic.
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Define 'source file'. It is a scanned copy of a document, one of many in existence, compiling the images taken by a geostationary satellite. If you have evidence that those images aren't genuine then feel free to provide that.
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Just for fun, here's that same ATS-3 image in a 1969 book 'Violent Universe' by Nigel Calder. I'm even being kind to you by showing you the dated library stickers in the front.
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Even if you can prove the equipment was available to do what you claim (it wasn't), you still need to prove your claim that the images of Earth from that era actually were faked using CGI. You still need to prove that the modern images that have been generated by digital means aren't genuine. |
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That video is showing a more complex version of one of the first bits of computer programming I did in the mid-1980s. Took a long series of instructions recorded on a cassette to produce a simple drawing of a leaf. Took me days to write. And people like Daniel puking out the false 'it was all CGI' claim think that's good enough to produce photo-realistic real time imagery?
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Some more on Csuri's technique in producing the video posted by PhantomWolf:
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Don't they have this fantasy about compasses not indicating direction properly, GPS being fakery, and that all voyages claiming to be in a straight line are actually curved? I'm buggered if I can see how they explain away the voyages of sailors around the globe.
Joshua Slocombe, the first to circumnavigate the globe solo, met Paul Kruger, president of South Africa, as he was nearing the end of his voyage. Kruger was a flat earther, who told Slocombe to his face that he was lying about his voyage, despite Slocombe having signed testimony from various mayors, prime ministers, harbourmasters, and so on that he had in fact been to the places he'd been. Where is the warp in the space time continuum* which means travelling continually east you don't end up A/ falling off the edge of the earth and B/ arriving back where you started? * It's between the ears of flat earthers, the world's ultimate ignorami. |
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Let's expand a little more on the CGI capabilities around in the late 1960s. Charles Csuri, who made the image shown in PhantomWolf's video link, used an IBM 1130 and later a PDP 11/45.
Let's have a look at them: As you can see from the monitors...oh...wait...no monitors. Well the graphics card output goes to...oh...wait...no graphics card invented yet. Csuri's pioneering work involved translating cartesian coordinates on a VDU display into punch cards in FORTRAN. That was translated by the computer into (initially) a paper output via a pantograph plotter. Line by line. The video shown above is effectively a stop motion animation of a sequence of those paper printouts. Now if Daniel wants to explain how that process was used to produce Apollo 8's Earthrise image I'm all ears. |
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The military always has secret technology that is 50 years ahead of what public science knows! [/CT]
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That is true, a reliable source told me the same thing very recently
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