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1st December 2017, 09:27 AM | #161 |
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You're telling me.
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1. Logic, eh? Post the Syllogism...? 2. False Equivalence Fallacy. Water (Liquid) is NOT a GAS ...even though they're both arbitrarily classified as Fluids. 3. Show water Pressure with Water CONTAINER-LESS...?
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Non-Sequitur Fallacy resulting from a Straw Man. The mere fact that Air Pressure decreases with altitude doesn't IPSO FACTO Validate a Vacuum attached to a Non-Vacuum. You let me know when you're ready to discuss the ACTUAL Argument. K?
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1. Appeal to Ridicule (Fallacy). 2. Coming from someone who 'believes' (Short List): a. Ink/Paper/Glue Molecules can Author Technical Instruction Manuals/Blue-Prints. b. Something can come from Nothing, "Naturally". c. Giraffes come from Bacteria...if given enough time. d. Can't even explain "THE" in word or thought without contradicting your Fairytale Scientifically Falsified 'Religion' ... Philosophical Naturalism/Realism aka: atheism. e. Lives on a Spinning-Ball hurling through space at 1,907,600 mph in several different directions, simultaneously!! Perhaps "EXTREME CAUTION" is advised in assessing the 'sensibility' of others until you deal with those Personal Shroom-Induced Comas. regards |
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I hope everyone saw the map on there, and the caveats which stop anyone actually using it to rubbish the claims it makes.
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1st December 2017, 09:35 AM | #165 |
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1. You have completely misunderstood the appeal to motive fallacy. For it to apply in this case, your motive for promoting a flat earth would be questioned in an effort to undermine your "argument".
2. Questioning what possible motive the entire scientific world could have for constructing an insanely elaborate conspiracy to lie about the geometry of this planet is perfectly reasonable. In fact, it's essential. 3. I have no idea what Shangri-la has to do with the motive for lying about Earth not being flat, not being the center of reality and gravity not existing. Please explain. |
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Yes, in fact, it does exactly that. "Vacuum" is an inexact term when used in this context to describe outer space, where the pressure is in fact non-zero but many orders of magnitude below atmospheric pressure; typically it falls in the range below 10-10 atmospheres. The fact, therefore, that air pressure in the atmosphere varies with altitude demonstrates that pressure differences in gas do not require a solid physical boundary. There is no special exception to this finding that prevents it applying to arbitrarily low pressures.
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1st December 2017, 09:48 AM | #169 |
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The LOS is between the Ship's Tracking Radar and The Target. If the Target is below "The Horizon" ...then the Target couldn't be Illuminated by the Tracking Radar to begin with.
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Unbelievable. You don't FIRE IT unless you have LOS to the Target by the Tracking Radar, Skipper. If you lose LOS... You MISS. It's a Football Bat
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LOS is from the Tracking Radar "ON THE SHIP". Is it your contention that ships are 35 Miles above Sea Level? regards |
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I have one for you... How can a Total Solar Eclipses project a Path of Totality Shadow... 30 TIMES SMALLER than the MOON'S DIAMETER ??? There's NO POSSIBLE way an object can project a Shadow "SMALLER" than it's own Diameter !! It's Kooky Talk. Moreover, if with a Total Solar Eclipse the Path of Totality Shadow is 70 Miles Wide (SEE: Last August)...THEN...with Lunar Eclipses, the Shadow of the Earth on the Moon should be... 256 FRIGGIN MILES IN DIAMETER !!!
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1. This isn't a "Scientific Theory". By the mere fact that you categorized it as such, reveals you couldn't Pass 5th Grade General Science. 2. I can't say for sure, and neither can you. Watch... a. What Phenomenon was Observed...? b. Post the Formal Scientific Hypothesis then EXPERIMENT that validates your claim...? c. Highlight the "Independent Variable" that was used in the TEST...? d. Post the Null Hypothesis that was Rejected/Falsified...? Go ahead...? regards |
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It's in a Container. What's next... How to make a Sandwich?
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Begging The Question Fallacy: How do you have Atmospheric Pressure (Gas Pressure) to begin with WITHOUT a Container...? regards |
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1st December 2017, 10:06 AM | #179 |
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Geometry. See http://discovermagazine.com/2017/sep...lipse-geometry, for example.
Again, geometry; if the illuminating object is larger than the object casting the shadow, then the cross-section of the shadow is inevitably smaller than the cross-section of the object. And again, geometry; see http://www.eclipsegeeks.com/geometry...pse/4563655735, for example. You could do the arithmetic yourself, but I'm pretty sure you're too lazy. Dave |
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Nope. We observe that the measured pressure at sea level has a certain value. We observe that the measured pressure at another, higher level has a different, smaller value. We may therefore infer that measured pressure varies with altitude. What is the basis for your claim that this variation can extend over a sufficiently large range to be perceived without measuring equipment but yet is unable to extend over several orders of magnitude?
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Factually Incorrect (AGAIN): "ESSM (RIM 162) offers naval combatants reliable self-defence and high fire-power. The missile can be launched from surface ships to destroy threats that include high speed, highly maneuvering anti-ship cruise missiles, low velocity air threats (LVATs), high-diving threats and SURFACE-BASED TARGETS. It can also engage attack aircraft, helicopters and SHIPS." http://www.naval-technology.com/proj...-missile-essm/ Which part of this ^^^^ is particularly confusing?
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Factually Incorrect. That Capability is not Available for another 3 Years... "Unlike RIM-7 SEASPARROW missile and ESSM Block 1, Block 2’s active seeker will support terminal engagement without the launch ship’s target illumination radars. Between the semi-active capabilities that Block 1 brings and the active capabilities that Block 2 will bring, the Consortium’s warfighters will have the best of both worlds when it comes to ship self defenses." http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities..._evolution.pdf "The Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM) Block II, an improved short-range, ship-based missile that counters attacks by multiple cruise missiles at low altitude, as well as adversary jamming and radar deception. It will be fielded in 2020 with 80 missiles going to the fleet." http://docs.house.gov/meetings/AS/AS...J-20130918.pdf Ergo... Please tell me How the ESSM Block 1 has been Engaging SURFACE BASED TARGETS at more than 50 km with the Fire Control Radars on SHIPS... FOR THE PAST 13 YEARS ?(!!!!) Ya hear that sound?? That's you're Fairytale "Spinning Sphere" circling the Drain at Light Speed.
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The Original Guidance System for the NATO Sea Sparrow was that of a Norwegian Tank!! You fanciful UNSUPPORTED "Just-So" Story explanations are not Valid Explanations.
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Replying to what? More Trainwrecks (Thanks!! btw ) like you posted above?
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a. It's a phenomenon which results in the exertion of a force.
b. Both. c. The effect of mass interacting with space-time. |
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To you, apparently, the word "and".
You have no evidence to suggest that it has; you simply have the deliberate confabulation of the range of a missile, determined primarily by its fuel capacity, with the limitation imposed on the range for one specific use of that missile, despite the fact that the very links and excerpts you post indicate that it has other uses (there's that tricky word "and," you see) such as anti-aircraft where the greater missile range would be significant. The Sea Sparrow, as its name suggests, is an adaptation of the AIM-7 Sparrow air-to-air missile for ship-based use. No, a genuine attempt to assist you with the character you're portraying. You can play it for laughs up to a point, but you've gone a little too far for plausibility. Dave |
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1. I CITED the Reference to show EXPLICITLY that 'satellites' are on "BALLOONS"; not to show the earth was flat....That's what the NATO Sea Sparrow is for. 2. Round and Flat aren't Mutually Exclusive. Pizzas are Round and...Flat. LP's are Round and...Flat.
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What on Earth?? My Claim was in order to have Atmospheric Pressure (Gas Pressure) to begin with you must have a Container. It's Prima Facie Indubitable to Incoherent 2nd Graders.
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Pizzas are not globes, pizzas are not spheres. But think if they were! Yummy!
protip; try not to say that something is "incoherent" and then respond with a comment that shows that it is not incoherent at all. Now why could Steve Austin see it? Because he had a extreme telescopic magnification and infrared capabilities! You know what else has extreme telescopic magnification? A telescope! Yay! |
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Daniel, do you assert that if you go west 10,000 - 20,000 miles that you reach some kind of barrier or patrol force that will stop you from proceeding?
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I know, you just said that and you just proved it wrong! Which was so fun!
You said you needed a container, but then said as you go up the mountain the pressure drops. Unless you are suggesting that we are going through a bunch of containers, you have managed to prove your claim: "in order to have Atmospheric Pressure (Gas Pressure) to begin with you must have a Container" prima facie false! Heck one might say It's Prima Facie Indubitable to Incoherent 2nd Graders! Regards! |
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Quick aside... How do we determine it's indubitable to these 2nd Graders if they are incoherent?
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Factually Incorrect, you're misunderstanding it. He was Appealing to Motive/Intent for the Entire Case.
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1. Thanks!! You know when you're sitting in class for a week daydreaming---not paying any attention to the blocks of instruction, and the Professor suddenly exclaims, "TEST tomorrow, any questions?". "Hopefully" you realize you're trapped in a dilemma, sort of a "Catch 22". You absolutely need to ask questions BUT.... if you ask any questions "You're Exposed", the Professor along with everybody and their sister knows EXACTLY where you are at. This is what's happening now...to you. Ya See Sir... The sine qua non of "Science" is The Scientific Method. The sine qua non of The Scientific Method is "Experiments" (Hypothesis Tests). The sine qua non of Experiments is "Hypothesis". "The Scientific Method is Hypothesis-Driven;" http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~pyo22/s...ypothesis.html A Scientific Hypothesis is your Experiment Statement; it expresses a TESTABLE proposed *CAUSE and EFFECT* Relationship - (The Phenomena that was Observed in Step 1) . It's a classic: "If" this "Then" that, motif. "A Scientific Hypothesis is based on CAUSE-EFFECT reasoning. A scientific hypothesis does not merely state X and Y may be related, but EXPLAINS WHY they are related. Loehle, C: Becoming a Successful Scientist -- Strategic Thinking for Scientific Discovery; Cambridge University Press, p. 57, 2010 Because Experiments (Hypothesis Tests) ONLY adjudicate 'Cause and Effect' --- How/Why questions. Whatever SHAPE something is (Flat, Sphere, or Spinning/Not Spinning ect)...is a "WHAT/IS" question; it's tantamount to asking: How/Why is a Breadbox Rectangular, True or False?? i.e., You can NEVER formulate a Viable Alternative Hypothesis; Ergo...you can NEVER formulate a Viable Null Hypothesis; Ergo...This isn't "Science"!! Ergo... by you merely claiming/contemplating this (let alone explicitly appealing to it...like you just did), unequivocally demonstrates that you wouldn't know what ACTUAL "Science" was if it landed on your head, spun around, and WHISTLED DIXIE!! You just EXPOSED yourself, you'd "FAIL" 5th Grade General Science. 2. Oh and...Appeal to Motive/Intent (Fallacy).
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Daniel,
How do you explain the flight times of commercial aircraft? They are consistent with a round Earth, not a flat one. Clearly airline pilots would have to be in on the "conspiracy" to keep the "truth" secret. Why have none of them come forward with a confession? What's the motive? Why go to all the trouble of faking a round Earth? How can ANYONE get ALL the countries of the world to join in on such a massive conspiracy? |
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Is it fair to assume that Daniel believes that the earth is accelerating at a constant 32 ft per second square?
If so, I would love to hear some discussion of why it accelerates more at lower elevations than it does at higher elevations. I mean, the front bumper of my car doesn't accelerate less than the rear bumper of my car. Without me running over it, that is. Assuming we get the pressure thing worked out to everyone's satisfaction first. One thing at a time is fine by me. |
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