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So you just accept that pressure varies over altitude although you don't have an explanation for why?
Gravity explains it well but, considering you deny gravity I would have though you would have some other explanation. I guess I'll give up on a spherical Earth when someone comes up with a better explanation. I won't hold my breath. |
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Umm, fella? The earth and its atmosphere are not a closed system.
there is this "pancake" shaped ball in the sky which we call the sun that pumps energy into the system, for Jesus said "Suffer the little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven." |
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For the 432nd Time, This isn't my argument!! Ergo... Red Herring Fallacy (Irrelevant/Diversion). Air Pressure (Gas Pressure) decreasing with altitude is Begging The Question Fallacy to the Actual Argument... How do you have Gas Pressure without a Container to begin with? SEE IT ^^^^^^^^ ?? (It's Rhetorical at this point). The only thing that's 'refuted' is the coherency of the people continuing to appeal to "Gas Pressure Changes" when the Argument is: Where'd you get "GAS PRESSURE"...? regards |
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Exactly, the second law of thermodynamics is one of the things that the round earther scientists are always ignoring when it doesn't fit their precious round earth theories.
Although, could you refresh my memory a bit here? How is it that the second law of thermodynamics necessitates that there be a container enveloping the Earth to keep the atmosphere from escaping? |
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Is this wrong, Daniel?
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Umm, no, you see the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics only pertains to a closed system. That kinda makes it, you know, your problem?
Or wait, is that another one of those things that you cited but that destroys your argument but we should ignore because it utterly lays waste upon your argument like the Lord did upon the sinners at Sodom? |
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You're Tellin me; and most aren't "Scientists" to begin with. And since the shape of the earth (Flat or Sphere) isn't a "Scientific" topic to begin with (SEE: Previous Post for detailed explanation), I'd be willing to wager quite a large sum that you haven''t the first Clue what an Actual Scientific Theory is! So Define "Scientific Theory"...?
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I think that what the round Earthers envision here is that one side of the container is the surface of the Earth and the other side of the container is created by the gas itself as it pulled towards the earth. They envision that the pressure gradually falls off as one gets farther from the earth as the strength of gravity declines. This fits with their idea that satellites can orbit the Earth without tumbling back to earth immediately because of atmospheric drag and their observation that the orbits of low earth satellites gradually decay from the drag of the vestigial atmosphere they are flying through.
Of course, what the Round earthers don't realize or are hiding is that the Earth is approximately flat and the air would just leak out into the great void unless there was a dome in place to keep the atmosphere from leaking away. |
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THANKS!!! This is tantamount to a Neurosurgical Candidate during an interview with the Chair of Neurosurgery, exclaiming unsolicited: "What's a Cerebellum??".... “Another way of stating the second law then is: ‘The universe is constantly getting more disorderly!’ Viewed that way, we can see the second law all about us. We have to work hard to straighten a room, but left to itself it becomes a mess again very quickly and very easily. Even if we never enter it, it becomes dusty and musty. How difficult to maintain houses, and machinery, and our bodies in perfect working order: how easy to let them deteriorate. In fact, all we have to do is nothing, and everything deteriorates, collapses, breaks down, wears out, all by itself -- and that is what the second law is all about.” Isaac Asimov, PhD Biochemistry: "In the Game of Energy and Thermodynamics You Can’t Break Even," Smithsonian Institute Journal, June, 1970, p. 6. “...There are no known violations of the second law of thermodynamics. Ordinarily the second law is stated for isolated [closed] systems, but the second law applies equally well to open systems ... there is somehow associated with the field of far-from equilibrium phenomena the notion that the second law of thermodynamics fails for such systems. It is important to make sure that this error does not perpetuate itself.” Dr. John Ross, Harvard Scientist. Letter to the Editor, Chemical and Engineering News (July 7, 1980), p.40. So (), are you saying that here on Earth ("Open System" per Narrative), you get: hotter and hotter the further you move away from a fire? Or that Gases spontaneously enter INTO a Pressurized Tire when the pin is depressed? You need any more Gasoline with your Matches? regards |
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Well to have Gas Pressure (Atmospheric Pressure) you MUST HAVE a Container to begin with; it's called a Contingent Necessary Fact. This single handedly PUMMELS into the Incoherent Oblivion: "Outer Space"...and everything associated with it, Pontificated by the Pseudo-Science Priests for what... 500 Years now? Can you think of some "Down-Stream" ramifications? regards |
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I guess the most pressing question is, What has stopped the worlds population from seeing the edge of the flat Earth over the thousands of years we've existed? I think I need a picture of that to believe..............Lots of pictures of a spherical Earth, not one flat.
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If you read ... oh, and understood ... the text, which (and I admit my fault there) is not an article, but an advert, you would have noticed a couple of things:
1 The system is a ground to air defence system. Which is where the 35 miles range is stated. 2 However, they also state that it can be used against surface targets. They don't state the range here (after all it's an advert), but it would depend on the height of the target. If the target is AT the water surface (would have to a surfaced U-boat) it would be about 11 miles, but if it's a ship similar to the launching ship, 35 miles in not unrealistic. (All this requires something called math so you might wanna be careful with it.) 3 The pencil beam you talk about is scanning. That means ... oh ... well, it makes a difference.
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In Daniel's model it can't exist. The "Vertical Limit" must therefore be a fiction and Mountain climbers don't really need oxygen canisters for high-altitude climbing. This of course necessitates a whole NEW conspiracy theory to explain the mechanics of faking all these things. This also begs the question of what really causes water to boil at a different temperature in Boulder Colorado? Is the government secretly swapping out all the thermometers? |
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Daniel, how do you account for gravity?
Is the Sun a sphere? |
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could we start making a list of all the organizations and groups of people who are in on the conspiracy?
Would all the following be in on it? Who else? All aerospace organizations Mountain Climbers Anyone involved in GPS Compass makers |
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Other than that it seems to say what you think it needs to say to make your claim, why is this link gospel? Exactly what makes it the perfect truth? I can provide many links that talk about air pressure and atmospheric pressure that don't talk about having to have a container, rather that air pressure is the force applied to a surface or object created by the weight of the air.
For example, the Encyclopćdia Britannica says that.... Atmospheric pressure, also called barometric pressure, force per unit area exerted by an atmospheric column (that is, the entire body of air above the specified area) kids-fun-science.com says.... What is air pressure? Air pressure is the weight of air molecules pressing down on the Earth. The pressure of the air molecules changes as you move upward from sea level into the atmosphere. The highest pressure is at sea level where the density of the air molecules is the greatest. National Geographic says.... The air around you has weight, and it presses against everything it touches. That pressure is called atmospheric pressure, or air pressure. It is the force exerted on a surface by the air above it as gravity pulls it to Earth. So far I seem to have a 3 to 1 advantage on Air Pressure being the force created by the weight of the air and no need for a container, and I'd say that my links are more credible too. How about we just go right to the Dictionary? Dictionary.com says.... the force exerted by air, whether compressed or unconfined, on any surface in contact with it. Hang on, that specifically says... "or unconfined" Does that means that there can be air pressure without a container....
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I've been wrestling with that a bit as well. I thought since there was penguins on the Galapagos islands that this might be evidence that the Galapagos islands were close to the Antarctic where the frozen wall that is holding back the oceans is located. But now I'm not so sure. Wouldn't all the tourists that fly into the Galapagos have noticed all the icebergs floating around? You'd think somebody would have pictures of that. So it must be someplace else on the equator where Antarctica is located.
And while we're on the topic of not noticing things, I'm still a little unclear as to where the top of this container is. I'm thinking the bottom of the container is the earth and the top of the container is like an upside down salad bowl, except invisible. And it is able to let things pass through it like meteors and asteroids? Of course, the round earthers claim that space craft would have flown through it as well, but those reports are from people that are part of the round Earth conspiracy, so who could trust them? One thought on this container thing: According to Wikipedia there is a loss of the upper atmosphere gases due mostly to some part of the distribution of gas molecules velocities in the upper atmosphere is large enough to achieve escape velocity and leave the Earth's atmosphere. Wikipedia puts the loss of hydrogen at 3kg per second and the loss of helium at 50 gms per second. Of course, all this is probably based on what round Earther scientists claim so the flat earthers reasonably enough would be skeptical of this. ETA: Maybe the container is huge so that it contains the entire flat earth sort of like a snow globe with the flat earth floating in it? Maybe the container is more like the container that holds Kandor in Superman's super fortress and the earth is like a little doodad sitting on God's desk some place. |
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