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Old 30th June 2014, 05:41 AM   #561
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Originally Posted by Professor Yaffle View Post
I have no doubt that the "recovered memory" therapists will have latched onto it too.

ETA Had to check it out, and a google of Valerie Sinason Jimmy Savile didn't disappoint (well, it did disappoint, but you know what I mean...).

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/370...f-satanic-ring

http://wideshut.co.uk/satanic-panic-...avile-scandal/

"Recovered memory" at Notts Skeptics tomorrow, so a little light revision above.
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Old 13th November 2014, 03:43 AM   #562
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Originally Posted by Dubious Dick View Post
Assume that is a tongue in cheek comment....
You assume wrong.

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Just to clarify, for those not familiar, Meirion produced the Newsnight report on Jimmy Savile that never aired due to BBC management meddling. Despite this he and Liz McKean (the reporter) went on to win a 2013 London Press Club Scoop of the year award for the report. The story finally came out on ITV.
Jones also spectacularly failed to disclose that he was the nephew of the headmistress of Duncroft School, and inevitably failed to even speak to her (she remains very much alive) about the flimsy accusations of Savile managing to molest girls there in the 1960s, when he in fact never set foot in the place until the mid-1970s.
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Old 14th November 2014, 02:53 AM   #563
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Originally Posted by Information Analyst View Post
You assume wrong.
Jones also spectacularly failed to disclose that he was the nephew of the headmistress of Duncroft School, and inevitably failed to even speak to her (she remains very much alive) about the flimsy accusations of Savile managing to molest girls there in the 1960s, when he in fact never set foot in the place until the mid-1970s.
You say "Jones also failed to disclose....". Also, as in addition to what other failure/s to disclose are you hinting at?

The fact that he was prepared to report on the Duncroft School shows total lack of bias or cover up on his part in that he was fully aware that the connection could and would be made. Where is your evidence that he failed to speak to her?

'Flimsy' accusations? Funny that they were able to find various ex pupils who independently and unknown to each other made statements that Savile had molested them.

Not sure about the 1960s/1970s distinction you make. Not sure if hugely important to overall story.

Think you will find all this very adequately covered in his response to these Daily Mail smears, as well as in the Pollard report. Jones and Mckean (the reporter) were the only ones to come out of the whole BBC mess with any credit whatsoever, despite every effort from some in BBC management to do him/them in.

Do you have any self interest to declare?
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Old 14th November 2014, 03:40 AM   #564
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Originally Posted by Dubious Dick View Post
You say "Jones also failed to disclose....". Also, as in addition to what other failure/s to disclose are you hinting at?

The fact that he was prepared to report on the Duncroft School shows total lack of bias or cover up on his part in that he was fully aware that the connection could and would be made. Where is your evidence that he failed to speak to her?
Where is your evidence that he did? She certainly denies he spoke to her about it. The Pollard Report - by which you seem to set great store - manages to avoid this tricky question by only mentioning Margaret Jones twice, in quick succession, and then apparently forgetting about her completely, which is remarkable given that it describes Duncroft as being, "the establishment at the heart of the investigation." Seriously, the woman running the place at the time period in question, still alive, yet neither her nephew nor the BBC bothered to ask her what happened? You buy that?

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'Flimsy' accusations? Funny that they were able to find various ex pupils who independently and unknown to each other made statements that Savile had molested them.

Not sure about the 1960s/1970s distinction you make. Not sure if hugely important to overall story.
Then you clearly don't know enough to justify sitting on that high horse. The initial Duncroft accusations were from girls who had been there in the 1960s. Savile never even visited the place until the 1970s. How much clearer does it have to be?

As to the ex-pupils acting " independently and unknown to each other," do you mean the ones who were colluding with each other on internet message boards long before any complaint was made, e.g Karin Ward?

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No. Do you?

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There's a Saville thread, why not take the discussion there?
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