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22nd March 2018, 04:36 PM | #801 |
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It only needs one more high-level resignation to fix everything. Just one...
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...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015 |
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22nd March 2018, 04:44 PM | #802 |
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I admit, I am beginning to hope for a Von Stauffenberg.
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22nd March 2018, 04:47 PM | #803 |
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...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015 |
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22nd March 2018, 05:05 PM | #804 |
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And now Genghis John, the man who thinks the US needs to bomb a few countries to regain respect is the most powerful man in foreign policy.
I hope every one who voted for Trump rots in hell. |
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22nd March 2018, 05:51 PM | #805 |
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22nd March 2018, 07:38 PM | #806 |
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"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States...nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" - Isaac Asimov |
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22nd March 2018, 07:50 PM | #807 |
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22nd March 2018, 08:43 PM | #808 |
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22nd March 2018, 09:29 PM | #809 |
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Fascinating! Horrible...but still fascinating!
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...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015 |
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22nd March 2018, 11:33 PM | #810 |
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23rd March 2018, 06:54 AM | #811 |
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I'm more worried that he seems to be replacing a lot of the staff with more pro-war picks. Having "Wag the Dog" thoughts about that, and that worries me.
I could see Trump starting a conflict somewhere to draw attention away from the numerous investigations and litigations at home. |
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23rd March 2018, 07:11 AM | #813 |
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23rd March 2018, 08:49 AM | #814 |
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I would say the Trump administration is a train wreck, but that would by unfairly insulting to train wrecks.
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23rd March 2018, 08:53 AM | #815 |
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23rd March 2018, 10:24 AM | #818 |
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23rd March 2018, 12:54 PM | #819 |
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He's just a poor boy?
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23rd March 2018, 02:04 PM | #822 |
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Some are suggesting that Putin will restrain Trump when it comes to Iran.
I am not so sure. Trump has a way of turning on his partners, and if he sees attacking Iran as a way of "Making America Great Again" he will ignore Putin on that issue. |
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23rd March 2018, 02:09 PM | #823 |
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It should, but in the end it's who has the most influence with the President, and several times that has been a White House Advisor rather then the Secretary of State. Kissenger, back in the Nixon administration, was pretty much running foreign policy for a couple of years as National Security Advisor before moving into the Secretary of State position.
And I am sure this happens in other countries quite a bit as well...people who are advisors and outside the official chain of comman wield more power the people who on paper are their superiors. Examples run back all the way through history. And it's not just government...it a common phenomenon in any large organization. |
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I don't think Trump gives a rat's ass about America. It can go to hell in a handbasket as long as he feels the adoration of his public. And since his public isn't and never has been "America", but always has been only a relatively small subset of its residents, he has little real interest in the overall welfare of the country. |
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23rd March 2018, 05:01 PM | #828 |
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I have a ladyfriend in Tehran who just got married. I suggested to her that she take her honeymoon in Thailand and simply stay there until at least 2020.
IMHO one of the biggest problems with this mess is that Trump is merely a symptom of a group of people who see themselves as the real Americans, with everybody else as less American or not American at all, due to race, religion or ethnicity. And now their champion is in the Oval Office. |
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24th March 2018, 08:27 AM | #829 |
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Frightened old white men cannot last forever. Numbers are not going to favor them in the long run. Some of them will start to look for something new once Trump falls. Unfortunately some of them will get even more scared and willing to try anything to keep "their" country.
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24th March 2018, 11:30 AM | #832 |
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I hope, even though I might not agree with the protestors on every point.
But what needs to happen is for this movement to become more then just about gun violence. I would live to see this kind of response if Trump does fire Mueller, for instance. It would be tragic if this becomes an one issue movement. |
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24th March 2018, 04:45 PM | #834 |
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24th March 2018, 05:08 PM | #835 |
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True, but the other problem is how the US system is setup. As the more liberal minded people move to the cities, then the scales of representation tip further into the hands of the lesser numbers of rural America.
A State has two Senators regardless of how many people it has, so the people of massive States with large urban populations such as N.Y, Florida, and Cali have far less representation that smaller much more rural States such as Wyoming, Vermont, and Alaska. On top of that the House of Representatives have a similar issue, especially if Gerrymandering is able to be continued (though considering the latest court cases it might be on the endangered list.) It's going to make it hard to really change things when representation isn't proportional to the actual overall population. |
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As already stated, not as many as you think. Also young people in general tend not to vote. But we now see one segment of them mobilizing now.
In the rural areas where the young and angry are more likely to be found you also find a lot of meth heads. Same segment of the population. Even if they are registered to vote the won't show up. |
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28th March 2018, 06:54 PM | #838 |
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Who had David Shulkin, Secretary of Vererans Affairs?
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28th March 2018, 08:07 PM | #839 |
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Me! I mean I didn't post it, but I totally thought it, honest.
What did I win? Actually, I thought a lot of the other guys too. And is it too late to say Kelly, eventually? Not this week or the next but some time before Trump leaves office? Pretty sure bet. Same with DeVos. And what's her name in the CIA, if she's approved. ETA: how about everyone but Bolton? |
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