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Old 19th May 2019, 06:47 AM   #1
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Lightbulb 8values - just another political quiz

And those are always fun, aren't they? In this case the questions are clearly written by US-Americans for US-Americans, so I thought this subforum is better suited than the "NOT US" politics forum - also because of the higher traffic.

So what they did is double the axis number of the Political Compass and create a four-fold spectrum of eight values. Look at the picture to see my results. On the Political Compass I have been at around 75% deep into the lower left corner for many years, so that's no surprise.

I could imagine that I moved a bit on the "new" Nation/World axis towards Nation in recent years, if only for the fact that the international organizations are so dysfunctional these days. But as long as I'm in the "peaceful" range that shouldn't be a problem.

Check it out here: https://8values.github.io

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Old 19th May 2019, 07:53 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
And those are always fun, aren't they? In this case the questions are clearly written by US-Americans for US-Americans, so I thought this subforum is better suited than the "NOT US" politics forum - also because of the higher traffic.

So what they did is double the axis number of the Political Compass and create a four-fold spectrum of eight values. Look at the picture to see my results. On the Political Compass I have been at around 75% deep into the lower left corner for many years, so that's no surprise.

I could imagine that I moved a bit on the "new" Nation/World axis towards Nation in recent years, if only for the fact that the international organizations are so dysfunctional these days. But as long as I'm in the "peaceful" range that shouldn't be a problem.

Check it out here: https://8values.github.io

https://i.imgur.com/uVE3fl6.png
I have NO IDEA what this means. From my perspective, these are just labels and are counter productive. I have different opinions on every issue and want to believe I can change my mind.
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Old 19th May 2019, 07:57 AM   #3
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I have NO IDEA what this means. From my perspective, these are just labels and are counter productive. I have different opinions on every issue and want to believe I can change my mind.
What was the last big issue you had a dramatic change in opinion?
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Old 19th May 2019, 08:22 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
What was the last big issue you had a dramatic change in opinion?
I was anti-drug. Believed in strict penalties for the sale or use of narcotics. I was pro-life against gay marriage and I was anti-nuclear. There are others.
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I'm not going to sit through 70 questions.
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Old 19th May 2019, 10:34 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
I was anti-drug. Believed in strict penalties for the sale or use of narcotics. I was pro-life against gay marriage and I was anti-nuclear. There are others.
Was this tied to a religious position or anything?
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Was this tied to a religious position or anything?
No. I grew up as a Christian but that wasn't it.

I thought if the government didn't have laws against these things, nothing would stop people from taking drugs or engaging in homosexual activities. Both of which I thought were disturbing. I saw abortion as wrong and I still do. That said, I'm a man and since I'm never going to be pregnant I should have zero say what women do with their bodies. In the legal sense, I lack standing.

I came to the conclusion that people would do drugs and engage in homosexuality even if there were laws prohibiting them. And it's expensive to incarcerate offenders.

Also, I grew more tolerant of others. Live and let live. Let people choose the best way to live their own lives. I hate tattoos with a passion, but I shouldn't have a right to tell others that they should think like me.
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Well, thank you for telling us that you don't feel like playing, folks. It's really 8valuable.
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Old 19th May 2019, 01:12 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by shemp View Post
I'm not going to sit through 70 questions.
I did, it didn't take but a couple of minutes. Surprise! I'm a liberal!
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I got as far as the first question, which says it is "loading". At first I agreed that it was loading, but after a couple of minutes changed my answer to uncertain, and after five settled on strongly disagree.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I did, it didn't take but a couple of minutes. Surprise! I'm a liberal!

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Old 19th May 2019, 01:28 PM   #12
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btw on the last page of the quiz you will have a URL like this (mine)

https://8values.github.io/results.ht...&g=73.8&s=72.7

which tells your results and you can post without you having to do some image copypasta. Later we could use that to manipulate the values and mock how they put certain extremes into "labels".
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Old 19th May 2019, 01:55 PM   #13
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Social Democracy am I.
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Old 19th May 2019, 02:02 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Social Democracy am I.

I tried to guess the URL and failed, I got you as a "centrist" by just lazily turning my own first two values from 7x to 4x and the latter two from 7x to 5x which I thought could match you and/or your stated result:

https://8values.github.io/results.ht...&g=53.8&s=52.7

Seems like it is a bit more complicated than this.
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Old 19th May 2019, 06:40 PM   #15
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What the? How did I get Palpatine on every one of them? That isn't even supposed to be an option!
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I thought some of the questions were difficult to answer honestly, either beause they addressed things wrong or did not provide quite the right answers, or demanded cut and dried answers to complex issues, but for the most part it seemed fairly reasonable. I came out as "social democracy."
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Many loaded and/or undefined terms in the questions – rather frustrating. Still it pegged me more or less the same as similar questionnaires have.
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Old 19th May 2019, 07:55 PM   #18
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I got closest match to Social Liberalism. Does that mean I swipe left or right?
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I thought some of the questions were difficult to answer honestly, either beause they addressed things wrong or did not provide quite the right answers, or demanded cut and dried answers to complex issues, but for the most part it seemed fairly reasonable. I came out as "social democracy."
Have you considered that they are written that way to produce that effect, and that effect and subsequent answer does a good job grouping you?
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Old 19th May 2019, 08:34 PM   #20
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The problem with this survey is it just groups people into categories they already know. The good ones of these say something about yourself you haven't thought of before.
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Old 19th May 2019, 09:16 PM   #21
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Libertarian Socialist, heavily so.

Sounds about right.
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It got me as Social Democracy, which is probably close, but I tend to be more centrist in better systems.

One of the issues with these tests is that they can't take into account nuance, for instance I do agree that some drugs should be legalised, but many should not, because they do serious harm to the user.

I would note that some questions, such as the very first;

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Oppression by corporations is more of a concern than oppression by governments.
Doesn't really have a good answer in my opinion because people can agree or disagree with this statement for several reasons, and those reasons show different political position. For instance I disagree with it because I think that both forms of oppression should be of equal concern, but a capitalist may disagree with it because they trust corporations more then governments.

So yeah, meh.
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Old 19th May 2019, 11:47 PM   #23
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My result is an even mix of NeoCon and Fascist.
A fair and balanced mix.
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I have NO IDEA what this means. From my perspective, these are just labels and are counter productive. I have different opinions on every issue and want to believe I can change my mind.
I took the quiz, it's full of weasel words all over the questions. It took most from the well-known political compass and stripped them down here and there.

A few problematic examples:

Taxes should be increased on the rich to provide for the poor.

The answer to this question heavily influences on where you come from. In the US the only sensible answer is "strongly agree", in Iceland the only sensible answer is "strongly disagree".

Or how about this one:

Excessive government intervention is a threat to the economy.

Any reasonable definition of "excessive" makes this statement tautologically true. It's not a matter of agreement at all.

Or this one:

The United Nations should be abolished.

Does this mean abolished and replaced with something stronger or abolished and leave it to the law of the jungle? It's down to your interpretation, but the quiz judges you based on this question.

Just one more:

My religious values should be spread as much as possible.

As an atheist I guess I agree? I don't know. Help?

I give it a D- for pretty colors and four results instead of just one or two.

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I come up as a "Libertarian Socialist"

Sorry, that ain't me.

There were questions in there that were open to interpretation and could have resulted in any answer from strongly agree to strongly disagree depending on how I interpreted them.

Also, I answered as a Kiwi, living in this country. If I answered as an American living in America, some of my answers are likely to have been different
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They're trying to label me a Social Democrat! So unfair...

https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=63.4&d=66.0&g=61.5&s=74.8
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Social Liberalism for me. I wonder what the results would be for the people running for president?
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I did, it didn't take but a couple of minutes. Surprise! I'm a liberal!
Pretty quick for me. I'm a classical liberal. I could nit pick the questions but that's true of all of these quizes. Its better than the quiz by the Libertarians that basically gives a choice between a libertarian answer and a fascist answer.

Smartcocky's criticisms are largely accurate.

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Or this one:

The United Nations should be abolished.

Does this mean abolished and replaced with something stronger or abolished and leave it to the law of the jungle? It's down to your interpretation, but the quiz judges you based on this question.
Reminds of the common poll question, "to you think the nation is heading in the right direction." A "No" to that could easily be, "no, its too lefty" or "No, its too righty".

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Mine came up "closest match: liberalism."

I guess so.
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Closest Match: Social Democracy

No big surprise.
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Oh dear, I seem to be some kind of commie. :-(

https://8values.github.io/results.ht...&g=76.9&s=84.1

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So let's check the "labels" on the extremes of the axes (manipulating the URL):

Economic axis: 100% Equality: "Communist", 100% Markets: "Laissez-faire"
Diplomatic axis: 100% Nation: "Chauvinist", 100% World: "Cosmopolitan"
Civil axis: 100% Liberty: "Anarchist", 100% Authority: "Totalitarian"
Societal axis: 100% Tradition: "Reactionary", 100% Progress: "Revolutionary"
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I guess it's ok.
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I was anti-drug. Believed in strict penalties for the sale or use of narcotics. I was pro-life against gay marriage and I was anti-nuclear. There are others.
Its pretty interesting that you remember. There's pretty decent research that indicates people tend to forget that they ever believed anything differently than they do now. Essentially, we tend to forget that we changed our mind about things.

I was definitely more homophobic than I am now. I used to be a Republican but a fairly libertarian Republican. I don't think I ever thought pot should be illegal. I'm pretty sure I've always been fairly ambivalent about abortion, though, I was probably more pro-life in the passed.

I was a lot more certain about things in my youth though.
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I'm a little surprised to still be a Libertarian, after all I read about the evils of Libertarianism here.

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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
I'm a little surprised to still be a Libertarian, after all I read about the evils of Libertarianism here.

Not arguing about the evil of your positions (we all know ), but I think it does not speak good for the quiz that someone labeled "centrist" on the economic axis is labeled "Libertarian" in total.
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btw, if someone is interested, I heard about this quiz through a tweet by Jakob AugsteinWP who in my opinion is far more elitist than the leftist role he gets to play in German media, He also ended up as a "libertarian socialist". Or at least that's what the tweet said.
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I note that the difference in graph between Social Democrat and Libertarian is very small. That seems odd, and I have my doubts about how the whole thing adds up.
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Its pretty interesting that you remember. There's pretty decent research that indicates people tend to forget that they ever believed anything differently than they do now. Essentially, we tend to forget that we changed our mind about things.

I was definitely more homophobic than I am now. I used to be a Republican but a fairly libertarian Republican. I don't think I ever thought pot should be illegal. I'm pretty sure I've always been fairly ambivalent about abortion, though, I was probably more pro-life in the passed.

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Most of us were...before we lived a life of experiences and learned something. Those who still think the same at 20 as they do at 50 haven't learned a damn thing.
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Most of us were...before we lived a life of experiences and learned something. Those who still think the same at 20 as they do at 50 haven't learned a damn thing.
“If a person is not a liberal when he is twenty, he has no heart; if he is not a conservative when he is forty, he has no head." attributed to John Adams.
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