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Old 7th December 2015, 01:14 AM   #561
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They have no worries - they're all employed by Serco.

The government can't afford to kick them out, because they gutted Corrections to get Serco up and running, and short of unlocking the entire joint one night Serco will not be fired, no matter what happens.
Collins will break their balls till they pull finger

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Old 7th December 2015, 01:40 PM   #562
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Every so often I am struck by the parallel paths of many countries in the west.

When I first saw the Serco prison scandal in NZ, I had to double check it wasn't one of the many Serco prison scandals in the UK that was being reported in the NZ Herald.

For example the tagging one

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The scale of overcharging – which included invoicing for the tagging of offenders who were not being monitored, some of whom were already back in prison or had died – is several times larger than previously thought. The original figure was believed to be £15m-£20m for the contracts held by both Serco and the security company G4S; the latter has yet to reach agreement on how much it will repay.

Both contracts are now the subject of criminal investigation by the Serious Fraud Office (SFO).

Serco has also agreed to repay £2m in past profits on a separate prisoner escort contract after it was found that its staff had been recording prisoners as delivered "ready for court" when they were not.

Or this healthcare one

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Serco, the leading private contractor to the government, has admitted that it presented false data to the NHS 252 times on the performance of its out-of-hours GP service in Cornwall.

The NHS Cornwall primary care trust (PCT) asked the company to audit itself following an investigation by the Guardian in May, in which several whistleblowers alleged the company was repeatedly so understaffed as to be unsafe and claimed that managers manipulated results when it failed to meet targets.
I would say that it is possibly a less toxic brand than Group4 G4S which managed to lose several prisoners on its first week of the contract for taking them to court
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Old 7th December 2015, 02:13 PM   #563
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
When I first saw the Serco prison scandal in NZ, I had to double check it wasn't one of the many Serco prison scandals in the UK that was being reported in the NZ Herald.
Sadly, the fact that Serco has been exposed time and time again as a dishonest and worthless organisation didn't stop our government from trying it.

Add that into Charter Schools and a few other tricks our boy is using and you can clearly see a path of wanting to repeat the mistakes others have made, instead of trying something that might actually work.
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Old 7th December 2015, 02:27 PM   #564
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
Sadly, the fact that Serco has been exposed time and time again as a dishonest and worthless organisation didn't stop our government from trying it.

Add that into Charter Schools and a few other tricks our boy is using and you can clearly see a path of wanting to repeat the mistakes others have made, instead of trying something that might actually work.
Nothing wrong with them if run right
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Nothing wrong with them if run right
You might want to re-think that comment in light of the extensive evidence from USA, where there have been charter schools for many years.

http://capitalandmain.com/latest-new...-hotseat-1120/

There are lots of things wrong with them, and as to the part about "running them right", you surely don't need me to re-hash the enormous list of shockers charter schools have come up with in just over a year of operation in this country?

Here's one from just a week ago:

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti...ectid=11554125
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Old 7th December 2015, 02:54 PM   #566
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
You might want to re-think that comment in light of the extensive evidence from USA, where there have been charter schools for many years.

http://capitalandmain.com/latest-new...-hotseat-1120/

There are lots of things wrong with them, and as to the part about "running them right", you surely don't need me to re-hash the enormous list of shockers charter schools have come up with in just over a year of operation in this country?

Here's one from just a week ago:

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti...ectid=11554125
Or this, which hasn't stopped the UK government trying to copy the idea... either.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10798720

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A group of education experts at Massey University has investigated similar models to the proposed charter schools - Sweden's "free schools", England's "academies", and privatised schools in the United States.

Convener Professor Emeritus Ivan Snook said the group used similar sources of evidence to the Government but came to different conclusions.

"The evidence is clear that charter schools have the potential to cause harm to the very groups of students they are supposed to help," he said.

The group welcomed the Government's focus on the need to address educational achievement through wider social and economic policies.
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Yeah, you wouldn't let facts and evidence get in the way of a budget-cutting measure, would you?
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And if you were thinking at all of getting away from that nasty northern winter to sub-tropical New Zealand, forget it.

Summer is cancelled.
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How many state schools are **** Atheist?

The difference is they arent held responsible
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Old 7th January 2016, 06:10 PM   #570
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How many state schools are **** Atheist?

The difference is they arent held responsible
Hell of a lot less than the 60% fail rate of charter schools.
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Hell of a lot less than the 60% fail rate of charter schools.
In NZ?
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Yep. 3/5 so far have turned up with negative ERO reports and at least one board was removed.

Pretty good business for the tangatua whenua, though. They're scamming millions out of the scheme, including that little beauty where they got $100k to spend on a waka. I believe one of the Maori charter schools is going ok.
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I haven't seen this report
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Goes back a few months now. I have details somewhere - I'll see if I can find them.
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And if you were thinking at all of getting away from that nasty northern winter to sub-tropical New Zealand, forget it.

Summer is cancelled.
Noooo!!! - I will be there in a few weeks. Pls see if you can arrange some reasonable weather for Christchurch when the NZ Womens Golf Open is on
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Apart from today Wellington has been perfect weather for the last three weeks
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Noooo!!! - I will be there in a few weeks. Pls see if you can arrange some reasonable weather for Christchurch when the NZ Womens Golf Open is on
You'll be fine. Chch is far from the sub-tropical storms we've been collecting lately.

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Apart from today Wellington has been perfect weather for the last three weeks
I call liar on that. I have a mate in Welly I talk to every couple of days and all the Mrs' family are down there.

Only last week there was at least one freezing cold southerly wind and the week before, all-day fog.

Typical bloody Wellingtonian! "The weather's been fine down here!"*

Fine equalling no rain but days of relentless wind and freezing cold.

I've seen your temperatures, pal. 7 days out of the past 24 with daytime high under 20 degrees, including a 14-degree alpine-like maximum on 17 December.

I love Wellington, but don't be trying that tactic of saying the weather there is ok.

We figured out how it worked the very first day we went to the beach down there. We'd gone with a local couple and arrived early am. First thing the sheila does is get four huge rocks and pegged her blanket down with them.

We didn't have to wonder why for too long.

*Seeing as how you're a Paekak** boy, your weather is different to the city, and you know that!

**That's a town, not a foreign swear word.
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You'll be fine. Chch is far from the sub-tropical storms we've been collecting lately.



I call liar on that. I have a mate in Welly I talk to every couple of days and all the Mrs' family are down there.

Only last week there was at least one freezing cold southerly wind and the week before, all-day fog.

Typical bloody Wellingtonian! "The weather's been fine down here!"*

Fine equalling no rain but days of relentless wind and freezing cold.

I've seen your temperatures, pal. 7 days out of the past 24 with daytime high under 20 degrees, including a 14-degree alpine-like maximum on 17 December.

I love Wellington, but don't be trying that tactic of saying the weather there is ok.

We figured out how it worked the very first day we went to the beach down there. We'd gone with a local couple and arrived early am. First thing the sheila does is get four huge rocks and pegged her blanket down with them.

We didn't have to wonder why for too long.

*Seeing as how you're a Paekak** boy, your weather is different to the city, and you know that!

**That's a town, not a foreign swear word.
Brought up in Canterbury.

Auckland has been ****. Not here in Welly
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22 and sunny
But what about the 80 kph winds?
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But what about the 80 kph winds?
In Wellington, that is called a breeze.

I used to make jokes about Welly having no wind warnings - they give those out so the public know they can stand up straight that day.
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Great to see Labour making some inroads in policy!

The new "free tertiary education" policy might actually claw them a few votes back.

If it results in an increase in their poll numbers, Little's reticence to take any stand last year will be entirely forgiveable - he's obviously got a plan and this is the first step.

Given Johnny Combover's continuing popularity, it's high time we had a genuine Opposition.
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Great to see Labour making some inroads in policy!

The new "free tertiary education" policy might actually claw them a few votes back.

If it results in an increase in their poll numbers, Little's reticence to take any stand last year will be entirely forgiveable - he's obviously got a plan and this is the first step.

Given Johnny Combover's continuing popularity, it's high time we had a genuine Opposition.
Good in theory. But it is 10 years away

At least it took the focus off Goff, Shearer, Helen Clark, Mike Moore all saying he was wrong with the TPP
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Good in theory. But it is 10 years away

At least it took the focus off Goff, Shearer, Helen Clark, Mike Moore all saying he was wrong with the TPP
Yes, the smart move is to just move on.

I'm presuming Grant Robertson is coming to Auckland for the protest since he's here Thursday.
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Meanwhile. Hassles over Waitangi.

Who would have thought?

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It may surprise you to hear that I am well and truly over Waitangi.

The treaty settlements are 80-90% complete as I understand it. Despite that, not a centablo has found its way to the bottom, where we have 14 & 15 yo Maori kids running from pigs and getting wasted. Not a cent of it has been spent on Maori health, and you've seen the results of the gov't tipping even more money into the school system through Maori charter schools.

On the other hand, I do see a lot of fat Maori snouts in the trough, ably led by old Underpants Morgan as flapper to the dying old scroat Tuheitia and his revolting clan.

No matter; as long as Auckland house prices keep going up, she'll be right.
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It may surprise you to hear that I am well and truly over Waitangi.

The treaty settlements are 80-90% complete as I understand it. Despite that, not a centablo has found its way to the bottom, where we have 14 & 15 yo Maori kids running from pigs and getting wasted. Not a cent of it has been spent on Maori health, and you've seen the results of the gov't tipping even more money into the school system through Maori charter schools.

On the other hand, I do see a lot of fat Maori snouts in the trough, ably led by old Underpants Morgan as flapper to the dying old scroat Tuheitia and his revolting clan.

No matter; as long as Auckland house prices keep going up, she'll be right.
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The TPPA protests were a bit of a fizzer - I reckon there were no more than 2500 people.

Certainly screwed up the traffic for a while.

Heavy police presence, but the cops were told to chill, allowing protestors to get nose to nose with them.

This is the main entrance to the Sky hotel the signatories were in:



A much bigger contingent of cops was tucked away just out of sight.
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Running onto a motorway full of fast moving traffic kind of killed any cred'
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Running onto a motorway full of fast moving traffic kind of killed any cred'
They never had any cred to start with, but that was spectacularly stupid.

I can't fault the cops for moving them briskly. If they got road-rash from being dragged off it, tell your mummy is my advice.
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Given the unentertaining nature of politics, I'm going to talk weather!

Right now, there are two cyclones brewing in the southern Pacific and according to current computer modelling, are both going to pop down to NZ for a visit after the weekend.

If the UK projections are right - and they more than often are - the pair of cyclones are due to merge back into one, right off the coast of Auckland.

Maps of the projected storm tracks are here: http://metvuw.com/forecast/forecast....wp&noofdays=10

Check out Monday 1 pm.

If the projections turn out correct, it will be the biggest and strongest tropical storm to hit NZ for at least a couple of decades, possibly the strongest ever.

Interesting few days ahead...
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Relax people. No panicking. I am in Wellington
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Relax people. No panicking. I am in Wellington
Would anyone even notice a cyclone in Wellington? It's that bloody windy anyway...
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Old 10th February 2016, 01:51 AM   #594
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Would anyone even notice a cyclone in Wellington? It's that bloody windy anyway...
Fair point!
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Relax people. No panicking. I am in Wellington
Well, exactly!

Bloody Cyclone Bola. The worst to date, right?

I had a game fishing trip booked for Northland but saw it coming and cancelled. We wouldn't have made it past the flooding, so that was a good plan.

Instead, we thought Taranaki would be ok so booked a boat there.

Only to spend three days sitting in a motel watching New Plymouth get blown over the western cliffs.

The weather in Welly was perfect the entire time. We were living there then and could have gone out in the Strait it was so sweet down there.
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Meanwhile, the weather situation is developing and the computer models are swinging about wildly, now showing a third storm from the south joining the fray in the middle of the week. (That one does hit Welly, by the way)

Predictions of a dry end to summer look highly suspect at this stage!
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Next week's weather is starting to become clearer and it's definitely the south to keep an eye on. The storm down there is Storm Alpha* and it's much, much larger and more powerful than either of the cyclones.

It looks very much like the ridge that will keep the cyclones to the north will allow this monster direct passage to NZ, where it will drag copious amounts of rain down from the tropics.

Gale-force winds for you, Cully and rain for everyone - Wed next week is the arrival.

I'll expect some weather warnings.

*Everyone else is naming their storms and Alpha is the name for this one since it will be our first named storm.
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Next week's weather is starting to become clearer and it's definitely the south to keep an eye on. The storm down there is Storm Alpha* and it's much, much larger and more powerful than either of the cyclones.

It looks very much like the ridge that will keep the cyclones to the north will allow this monster direct passage to NZ, where it will drag copious amounts of rain down from the tropics.

Gale-force winds for you, Cully and rain for everyone - Wed next week is the arrival.

I'll expect some weather warnings.

*Everyone else is naming their storms and Alpha is the name for this one since it will be our first named storm.
Hopefully all on Len Browns house

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Hopefully all on Len Browns house
Hasn't got one. He sold his for 2 mio, I think.
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Another big earthquake in Chch. Poor buggers
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I questioned the point of the re-build after the 2011 quake - it's going to keep happening and I imagine insurance will be prohibitive, if you can even get it.

I feel sorry for the poor bastards who can't move away - I'd have been out of there years ago.

Pretty impressive that entire cliff falling off.
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