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Old 23rd November 2018, 09:46 AM   #401
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
His name is still on the ballot paper as a Greens candidate.

The party is a disgrace and let’s hope it is decimated and doesn’t have the balance of power in the Upper House. It certainly won’t in the Lower House. Andrews will win comfortably.
It is dangerous to give one party control of both houses.
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It's only dangerous if it is the Liberal party.
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
It is dangerous to give one party control of both houses.
Not in state politics. You should know the extent and the limits of state governments.
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Not in state politics. You should know the extent and the limits of state governments.
You forget that I have had to endure 8 years of a state government that tried to bankrupt this state and nobody could do anything about it.

Although commonwealth law takes precedence over state law, there are no limits to what a state government can do - other than what is in a state's constitution.
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Old 24th November 2018, 01:54 AM   #405
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Libs decimated in Victoria and Greens may win only one seat. Daniel Andrew for Canberra in four years time? I never thought he was that good. I was wrong.
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Old 24th November 2018, 02:54 AM   #406
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Some of the swings in strong LNP seats are staggering. The ALP may have a 35 seat majority.

Morrison must be ******** himself.
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Old 24th November 2018, 03:18 AM   #407
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Well don Victoria.
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Andrew Green predicting a majority of 34. ****.
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This is a glorious smacking
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Originally Posted by Damien Evans View Post
This is a glorious smacking
Danielle Green, who I know and respect, increases her margin.
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Trying running a xenophobic campaign in the national elections. I dare you, scomo.
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Some of the swings in strong LNP seats are staggering. The ALP may have a 35 seat majority.
It looks like Labor won't get a majority in the legislative council. The Greens got a shellacking and their representation looks set to drop from 5 to just 1 councilor. However, 8 independents look likely to get elected.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/election...ative-council/
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Trying running a xenophobic campaign in the national elections. I dare you, scomo.
Excellent point. Victoria has always been the most progressive state, and Morrison will be punished here for his policies.

NSW will almost certainly go Labor at the next state election. Morrison is ******
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Old 24th November 2018, 04:04 AM   #414
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Excellent point. Victoria has always been the most progressive state, and Morrison will be punished here for his policies.

NSW will almost certainly go Labor at the next state election. Morrison is ******
I love the colour and diversity of our cultural capital. May it live long.
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Old 24th November 2018, 06:17 AM   #415
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So Scomo...what's YOUR next move? Back on the bus for another Yankee beer commercial? Not that that will help your Victorian mates now. Or perhaps you should consider MUCH more closely the company you keep...with droogs like Abbott and Dutton hanging about, you too could take your once-great party to a record pasting at the national level.

Also, there are reports the Liberal Party of Victoria have asked for the immediate resignation of their president, Michael Kroger. Young Mike also plays some sort of role at the national level...
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
I love the colour and diversity of our cultural capital. May it live long.

Do you mean 'Diversity of Colour' and 'Unity of Opinion' as is taught in most universities?
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Do you mean 'Diversity of Colour' and 'Unity of Opinion' as is taught in most universities?
I am not familiar with those terms, so probably not. It is a diverse and harmonious society that sticks a finger in the eye of fear mongering xenophobes.
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I’ve been trying to find an Aussie politics forum to look at. Know the most vibran by far? The Bigfooty politics section!!!!! 30+ pages since last nigh. Says a lot about Oz.
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Came here to join the celebrations, and was not disappointed.

Sounds like the Greens in Melbourne have been doing some pretty serious foot shooting.

I suspect that the Lie-beral Coal-alition did themselves a bit of damage by trying to score political points on the death of Mr Malaspina.

Not to mention (using the words that the Liberals made popular with endless repetition) "knifing a sitting Prime Minister".

I love the idea that their behaviour keeps on coming back to bite them, again and again.

Bill Shorten has also seriously wedged them by adopting the National Energy Guarantee...

Rock on May, you can't get here too soon.

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Came here to join the celebrations, and was not disappointed.

Sounds like the Greens in Melbourne have been doing some pretty serious foot shooting.

I suspect that the Lie-beral Coal-alition did themselves a bit of damage by trying to score political points on the death of Mr Malaspina.

Not to mention (using the words that the Liberals made popular with endless repetition) "knifing a sitting Prime Minister".

I love the idea that their behaviour keeps on coming back to bite them, again and again.

Bill Shorten has also seriously wedged them by adopting the National Energy Guarantee...

Rock on May, you can't get here too soon.

After this, it is now more likely that an early election could be called. NSW will go to Labor, even with the leadership change. At the moment, Morrison is looking at a loss of 20 seats. With more disasterous results he could lose far more.

Interestingly, if other states stay the same (they won’t) a federal vote in Victoria similar to yesterday would be enough to kick Morrison into touch.
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After this, it is now more likely that an early election could be called. NSW will go to Labor, even with the leadership change. At the moment, Morrison is looking at a loss of 20 seats. With more disasterous results he could lose far more.

Interestingly, if other states stay the same (they won’t) a federal vote in Victoria similar to yesterday would be enough to kick Morrison into touch.
I think after the Victorian election result the Government will be looking to delay the election as long as possible. They will then try to get their house in order and persuade the people that they are a viable government. Then when the election is called run a scare campaign against Labor. Do not bother to campaign on their own record. Nor what they will do in the next 3 years if they win. Just make the campaign as dirty and scary as possible.

I say that any government that tries to do this should be kicked out of government.
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My prediction is that they'll run a "Big Lie" campaign and hit it really hard.

Not much of a prediction, it's been done before.

I don't think they'll risk "Labor will force your children to be gay." again, after what happened this time, but could be wrong.
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...a federal vote in Victoria similar to yesterday would be enough to kick Morrison into touch.
I really liked this metaphor.

I am biased though, I really don't like Morrisson.
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It looks like Labor and the one Green will have 19 in the LC which will mean they only have to get one of the 8 or so loonies to get bills through. Should make governing pretty straightforward. And i do mean loonies. We will have anti-vaxxer’s, climate denies, racists and taxi drivers among the new “upper” house. Some who achieved 0.6% of the vote with the preference deals done.

Australia generally has a world class electoral system when it comes to the houses of the people. In upper house systems are shambolic.

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I do not like the table in the link above for the Legislative Council Results. So I did my own. The results are below.

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Labor19
Liberal9
Derryn Hinch Justice Party4
Transport Matters Party2
Animal Justice Party1
Aussie Battler Party1
Greens1
Liberal Democrats1
National1
Sustainable Australia1
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I do not like the table in the link above for the Legislative Council Results. So I did my own. The results are below.

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Labor19
Liberal9
Derryn Hinch Justice Party4
Transport Matters Party2
Animal Justice Party1
Aussie Battler Party1
Greens1
Liberal Democrats1
National1
Sustainable Australia1
I’m certain that is not the final result, but if it is, it makes the ALP’s job even easier. The fractious manner of micro party members means that it would be rather easy to bribe convince one of them to move over from the crossbench.
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It looks like Labor and the one Green will have 19 in the LC which will mean they only have to get one of the 8 or so loonies to get bills through. Should make governing pretty straightforward. And i do mean loonies. We will have anti-vaxxer’s, climate denies, racists and taxi drivers among the new “upper” house. Some who achieved 0.6% of the vote with the preference deals done.

Australia generally has a world class electoral system when it comes to the houses of the people. In upper house systems are shambolic.
Don't blame me, I numbered all 45. But you're right, the senate/council voting needs an overhaul.
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They can't delay too long unless they want to have Reps and Senate elections out of sync.
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Don't blame me, I numbered all 45. But you're right, the senate/council voting needs an overhaul.
I must admit that I voted early as I am in Perth this weekend. I did it in a rush and voted above the line. Idiot.
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Australia generally has a world class electoral system when it comes to the houses of the people. In upper house systems are shambolic.
Voting in the Senate was reformed before the last election so that the "preference whisperers" can no longer do their stuff. It appears that Western Australia and Victoria haven't followed suit.
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Mr Morrison still hasn't made any official statement on the results of the Victorian election.
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Voting in the Senate was reformed before the last election so that the "preference whisperers" can no longer do their stuff. It appears that Western Australia and Victoria haven't followed suit.
I’m certain it will change now.
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Mr Morrison still hasn't made any official statement on the results of the Victorian election.
The man lacks so much, and you can now add “class” to his many deficiencies. Not even a statement to congratulate Andrews. Shameful.
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And i do mean loonies. We will have anti-vaxxer’s, climate denies, racists and taxi drivers among the new “upper” house.
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And thats just in the Libs...

(OK maybe not taxi drivers...)

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The man lacks so much, and you can now add “class” to his many deficiencies. Not even a statement to congratulate Andrews. Shameful.
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My prediction is that they'll run a "Big Lie" campaign and hit it really hard.

Not much of a prediction, it's been done before.

I don't think they'll risk "Labor will force your children to be gay." again, after what happened this time, but could be wrong.
Well they can't use the 'We are better because Labor has had 3 different PM's in the last few years- because the Libs have had exactly the same number now, Labor at least only had two different people and went back, Libs have had three and already rumbles are starting about Morrison lol- I wonder if they will go for four???

Personally the Federal Libs wont go the 'gay kids' route, but I expect they will probably try out the tired old 'boat people are coming' scare campaign again (esp considering Morrisons past portfolio history) and it seems to be the Libs fallback position...

'Not much of a prediction, it's been done before' indeed!
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The man lacks so much, and you can now add “class” to his many deficiencies. Not even a statement to congratulate Andrews. Shameful.
He has now spoken about the election. During Question Time.

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Catherine King to Scott Morrison:

Can the prime minister tell the parliament how Saturday was such a ringing endorsement of his government’s policies.

Morrison:

“All I note is the hubris and arrogance of the Labor Party. Premier Andrews won the election of Victoria, not you. That is who won the election in Victoria. Premier Andrews won the election in Victoria. We have worked with Premier Andrews over the last a lot of years Mr Speaker, and we have our differences. But there is no doubt that at the election on the weekend, they choose to return the incumbent government of Victoria. And I congratulate Premier Andrews on that result. Why wouldn’t you, Mr Speaker? It is a significant achievement with an increased majority. In Victoria and implement is at 4.5 per cent which is lower than the national average Mr Speaker. In Victoria we have been delivering with the Victorian government record investment in infrastructure, Mr Speaker

“...There will be a choice at the next election and it will not be involving any premier of any of the states, it will be between me and you!”
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Class indeed.
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He has now spoken about the election. During Question Time.


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In Victoria and implement is at 4.5 per cent which is lower than the national average Mr Speaker.

Does he understand what he actually said here? A 4.5% swing to Labor against the Libs is below the National average? Does he expect bigger swings against his Party in May because a 4.5% swing is something to be set aside as lower than everywhere else?


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Old 25th November 2018, 10:41 PM   #437
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Well they can't use the 'We are better because Labor has had 3 different PM's in the last few years- because the Libs have had exactly the same number now, Labor at least only had two different people and went back, Libs have had three and already rumbles are starting about Morrison lol- I wonder if they will go for four???
The Mad Monk is itching to have another go at it, hence all the recent destabilisation and Malcolm getting the shove. Everyone knew he wanted Dutton to win because that stupid dolt would get flummoxed by the first question (What's your name again, Prime Minister?) and Tony could then triumphantly take back "his" crown (dressed in red Speedos). We chuckled, but that's where he was going with all that crapulence. And he's not stopped ****-stirring either. So don't rule out yet another stupid effort at this from the member for Warringa and Onions.

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Originally Posted by fromdownunder View Post
Does he understand what he actually said here? A 4.5% swing to Labor against the Libs is below the National average? Does he expect bigger swings against his Party in May because a 4.5% swing is something to be set aside as lower than everywhere else?


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I think he meant to say unemployment is 4.5% in Victoria, below the national average (correct) and is trying to claim credit for it. The swing is higher than 4.5%. That’s the problem with Hansard. It records what members say verbatim, although they have the opportunity to correct it later.

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Oh I get it now “implement” should be “unemployment”.
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Yeah, the Guardian live blogs are basically transcribed in real time in the press gallery. Some typos are inevitable.
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Julia Banks has just announced that she will leave the Liberal Party and become an Independent, and will not contest her seat as a Liberal Party member at the next election.

Which will be in May.
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