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Old 17th December 2018, 07:33 PM   #521
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
The Nats are just about the most moralising group going around, so I’m finding this stuff delicious.
Schadenfreudelecious, if you will.
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Old 18th December 2018, 04:36 PM   #522
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"The Nationals don't have a gender problem. Both of the women in my party are Ministers."

Both of the women. Both of them.

Both.
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Old 18th December 2018, 11:58 PM   #523
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First Dog, as usual, nails it.

Hey are you democracy because this government of which I am a member is going to completely **** you.
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Old 20th December 2018, 12:45 AM   #524
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Speaking of schadenfreudelicious...

Prominent Victorian Liberal Party figures deny sending racist, homophobic texts calling people 'fag Catholics', 'curries'

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Victoria's two most recent Liberal premiers have called for a pair of prominent party figures to quit following allegations they used racist and homophobic comments including referring to Indians as "curries".

On Thursday the Age newspaper reported leaked text and Facebook messages allegedly from administrative committee members Paul Mitchell and Marcus Bastiaan, who are accused of using bigoted language, including refering to a group of "fag Catholics".

Less than a month after the Liberals' election drubbing, the leak is another embarrassing insight into the party and has prompted the two most recent Liberal premiers Jeff Kennett and Ted Baillieu to call for the pair to quit, urging reform.

"Every single day there is something that deters people from the party, whether it's from Canberra or Victoria, it's got to change,'' Mr Baillieu told the ABC.

In one exchange that reportedly occurred between April 2017 and the lead-up to the party's State Council in April this year, Mr Bastiaan talks about "fag Catholics" who are "so far in the closet, if they end up coming out they will blow up big time with lots of secrets".

Mr Bastiaan strongly denies sending the message referencing "fag Catholics" and believes the messages may have been doctored or sent as part of a factional brawl.
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Old 20th December 2018, 01:29 AM   #525
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The Liberal Party gene pool is pretty damn shallow now.
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Old 20th December 2018, 10:18 AM   #526
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Is the Australian Liberal party to the left or the right of American progressives?

Just trying to get a point of reference. I know America supposedly skews right, compared to other countries. And "Liberal" is one of those words in politics that could mean anything, or mean nothing at all.
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Is the Australian Liberal party to the left or the right of American progressives?

Just trying to get a point of reference. I know America supposedly skews right, compared to other countries. And "Liberal" is one of those words in politics that could mean anything, or mean nothing at all.
It’s to the right by our reckoning, but I think if the party was transported to the US it would be viewed as centrist. It does have a right wing faction led by former PM Tony Abbott, which I believe is the major source of its current problems. Turnbull was smack bang in the centre when he was deposed and Dutton came within one vote of becoming PM. Now Dutton is right by any measure and he would have dragged the party that way, which would have led to a truely disastrous next election. Morrison tries to look tough, but is fooling nobody. The party is a mess at the moment.
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It’s to the right by our reckoning, but I think if the party was transported to the US it would be viewed as centrist. It does have a right wing faction led by former PM Tony Abbott, which I believe is the major source of its current problems. Turnbull was smack bang in the centre when he was deposed and Dutton came within one vote of becoming PM. Now Dutton is right by any measure and he would have dragged the party that way, which would have led to a truely disastrous next election. Morrison tries to look tough, but is fooling nobody. The party is a mess at the moment.
Awesome. I appreciate you giving us Yanks some context.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Awesome. I appreciate you giving us Yanks some context.
I agree it's confusing that our conservative party is called the Liberal Party. All I can suggest is that when it was named, it was indeed more liberal than one of their main competitors, the White Australia Party.
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George Christensen is trending on Twitter.
In other news, police have been looking into an MPs frequent visits to seedy neighbourhoods in SE Asia.
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Old 20th December 2018, 06:14 PM   #531
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What's George up to now?
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
What's George up to now?
His name is coming up a lot in relation to this story:

Heat on Pollie for visits to seedy Asian Locations
https://twitter.com/damonheraldsun/s...248514048?s=21
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
His name is coming up a lot in relation to this story:

Heat on Pollie for visits to seedy Asian Locations
https://twitter.com/damonheraldsun/s...248514048?s=21
Ah, that makes sense. The moral leaders of our country, ladies and gentlemen.
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Ah, that makes sense. The moral leaders of our country, ladies and gentlemen.
The champions for the sanctity of Christian marriage.
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The champions for the sanctity of Christian marriage.
Oh this is fantastic.

Next we will see Barnaby seeking to regain power to provide moral leadership.
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His name is coming up a lot in relation to this story:

Heat on Pollie for FREQUENT visits to seedy Asian Locations
https://twitter.com/damonheraldsun/s...248514048?s=21
Fixed. Stupid prat. But we knew that, didn't we. It is just about a truism that each and every cross-eyed right-winger and/or evangelist is likely to be found guilty of committing the very sins he rails against so vehemently.
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I wouldn't say "each and every" but there sure does seem to be a trend.
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Oh my! Must stock up on red flags.
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Both sides are pretty much noobs and numpties when it comes to internet-related tech. In short, they have only a limited or zero idea how it works. They think nobody will be able to break their bright idea and that the internet extends only as far as their own phone. So sad, really.

Simply put, the moment back doors are enabled on any messaging system for ASIO, there will be someone providing a front-end service or routing service that will effectively shut it again. So all that can be seen through this official porthole will be scrambled data as before but even less decryptable.

Or they will provide an end-to-end encrypted messaging service hosted in a non-complying region or country that won't do what ASIO wants.

Or so many other legal ways to thwart this legislation.

The other point is that the bad guys have long since moved on from encrypted messaging using industry-standard protocols. So there will be nothing to find anyway. And you don't have to worry about encryption when you have a compulsive clear-text tweeter like Trump in charge of a country.
Of more concern internally would be the Australian Secret Intelligence Service who came into existence in 1952 but whose existence even within the government remained secret until 1972. ASIS, or the like, misusing or abusing their technological expertise on their own citizens cannot be checked. Not by political parties and certainly not by the Fourth Estate, these days.

Office of the Australian Information Commissioner complaint chart. Just looks at all those dead end boxes starting with the very first box. Don't expect even an auto-generated email response. This toothless fat cat government department could barely be bothered to bother. Here's their Long text description...

Your complaint will be assessed to see if it is something we can investigate. There are three possibilities:

1. Your complaint is about something we cannot investigate and your complaint will be closed. You have appeal rights.
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It is just about a truism that each and every cross-eyed right-winger and/or evangelist is likely to be found guilty of committing the very sins he rails against so vehemently.
I can't find a reference to it anymore but I remember a saying that goes like "Conservatives always have scandals over sex while Socialists always have scandals over money".
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EXCLUSIVE: He is already regarded by many across Australia as a bloviated, blubbering, racist, homophobic and sexist blowhard, but it can now be revealed Nationals MP George Christensen is the latest member of the federal government to be involved in a sleazy sex scandal, with the AFP investigating the ‘family values’ politician over his strangely regular travel to poverty-stricken south-east Asian countries such as the Philippines.
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Nationals MP George Christensen has long been obsessed with linking gay people to paedophilia. Just two years ago, as Queensland’s State Parliament was debating laws to standardise age of consent laws to 16, the federal member for Dawson shrilly claimed the change of law would lead to a rush of 50-year-old men harassing 16-year-old schoolboys for sex. Previously, in Queensland, the age of consent for anal sex was 18.
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“Bloviated, blubbering, racist, homophobic and sexist blowhard” describes the average NP MP. I wonder what the Tory response will be. Maybe “socialist Labor MP seen helping out at soup kitchen”.

I hate the Coalition with a passion, but I could never have scripted the seppuku they are undergoing.
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George has disclosed that he is the MP being talked about. Denies everything of course. It’s precious that he claims he’s the victim of a smear campaign. He’s one of the biggest mudslingers in parliament. Cop it sweet George.
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I wouldn't say "each and every" but there sure does seem to be a trend.
Haven't found a cross-eyed stump preacher of hellfire and brimstone, especially the evangelical kind, who is not guilty of at least one of the sins they rail against. Cross-eyed stump-preaching against other religions is one of those sins.
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“Bloviated, blubbering, racist, homophobic and sexist blowhard” describes the average NP MP. I wonder what the Tory response will be. Maybe “socialist Labor MP seen helping out at soup kitchen”.

I hate the Coalition with a passion, but I could never have scripted the seppuku they are undergoing.
Abbott and co. certainly think they can. Or could, past tense. Haven't heard a lot from them lately. I suspect there has been a quiet strangling behind the curtains.
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George has disclosed that he is the MP being talked about. Denies everything of course. It’s precious that he claims he’s the victim of a smear campaign. He’s one of the biggest mudslingers in parliament. Cop it sweet George.
No. 12 fair up the date. Repeat until he leaves.
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Dutton has a dummy spit about Turnbull.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-...nbull/10674036


It's all Turnbull's fault apparently.
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Dutton has a dummy spit about Turnbull.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-...nbull/10674036


It's all Turnbull's fault apparently.
When Morrison gets trounced next year, the party may decide to go with Dutton. It will be the end of it as a serious political force.
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When Morrison gets trounced next year, the party may decide to go with Dutton. It will be the end of it as a serious political force.

Nice thought but I think not.

After the thorough mashing next year it will pull all its pieces back together and emerge even bigger, nastier, and ugly than it was before.
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Nice thought but I think not.

After the thorough mashing next year it will pull all its pieces back together and emerge even bigger, nastier, and ugly than it was before.
Who will be leader?

Whoever it is, I think a move to the right will be inevitable, as Labor is a far more formidable occupier of the centre. This will be their ruin. It might gain rural seats not already held, but will be decimated in the cities.
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Dutton has a dummy spit about Turnbull.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-...nbull/10674036


It's all Turnbull's fault apparently.
No, it is not a dummy spit. It is probably a highly accurate assessment from an insider. The other Liberal MPs already know this and dare not say it. IMHO. Evidence: They voted him out after only three years. Him and Abbott are the first ones voted out by the Liberal party since Gorton.
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No, it is not a dummy spit. It is probably a highly accurate assessment from an insider. The other Liberal MPs already know this and dare not say it. IMHO. Evidence: They voted him out after only three years. Him and Abbott are the first ones voted out by the Liberal party since Gorton.
Dutton's assessment of Turnbull might well be accurate but this is nothing less than a dummy spit.

It is a classic case of a sore loser trying to shift the blame away from himself come the inevitable drubbing at the next election.
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Boo bloody hoo. The Governor General can’t keep within his $15m budget and wants more.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...30-p50ot0.html

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"Since 2015 we have seen an increase of over 33 per cent in the number of official engagements and over 70 per cent in Order of Australia award nominations," it said.
Cut back on cutting ribbons mate. The GG is a necessary evil and otherwise useless. Don’t expect sympathy as you swan around your harbour view mansion.
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Why blame the GG for the increasing number of official engagements and OA nominations? This is a direct consequence of the monarchist anachronistic Lib government.

Either stop increasing the workload of the GG or fund the increase.
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Boo bloody hoo. The Governor General can’t keep within his $15m budget and wants more.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...30-p50ot0.html



Cut back on cutting ribbons mate. The GG is a necessary evil and otherwise useless. Don’t expect sympathy as you swan around your harbour view mansion.
$15m?! The LNP piss that sort of money away every friggin' day on unnecessary fripperies like handouts to their squattocracy mates "doing it tough in the bush" on their weekend hobby farms.
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Interesting observation by Malcolm Turnbull:

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Shortly after Malcolm Turnbull lost his prime ministership in August — in part due to a divisive energy policy debate — he claimed a "significant percentage" of his colleagues did not believe climate change was real.

There you have it. A significant percentage of NLP MP's are flat earthers climate change deniers.
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No source. Not that I don't believe you - I do - but it would be nice to have a source for the quote.
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Here's one...

I didn't check to see if the words "significant percentage" were in there.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work...5d8500c84311bd

Apologies about the source.
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and another...

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...86c3cd8323e4c4
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Hah. Bitter, much?
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Originally Posted by novaphile View Post
Here's one...

I didn't check to see if the words "significant percentage" were in there.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work...5d8500c84311bd

Apologies about the source.
I think "significant number" is close enough, which IS in the article.

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Hah. Bitter, much?
What Turnbull says sounds reasonable. If you want more about climate change and how fossil fuels make us ‘safe from’ climate change, read
https://www.theguardian.com/australi...-party-members

Warning: You may lose a few IQ points by reading this.
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