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Old 21st January 2019, 07:10 PM   #641
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No. We should delay the election as long as possible. Make sure the Liberals completely disintegrate. This may mean that the opposition party becomes the Greens. Or maybe some loony party that is even worse than the Liberals. National party anyone?

Edit. I also want to watch the lower house. See non government legislation get passed without Government support.
Fair point. But it's unlikely that the Libs will completely disintegrate. I can see them discarding the nutcase looney right though, which would be a good thing. I have no problem with a conservative party in politics - keeps the looney left honest. But when the looney right thugs like Abbott and Dutton get involved, it drags everyone down.
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Old 21st January 2019, 07:22 PM   #642
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Abbott and Dutton are both on the fast train out of Canberra.

There is no fast train out of Canberra, by the way.
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Old 21st January 2019, 07:48 PM   #643
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Abbott and Dutton are both on the fast train out of Canberra.

There is no fast train out of Canberra, by the way.
Toot toot.
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Old 21st January 2019, 09:18 PM   #644
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Can we return the topic of discussion to the Liberal National Coalition's imminent disintegration? That's much more fun than slagging each other off.
I doubt it. I'm not politically correct enough and that is a hanging offence here.
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Old 21st January 2019, 09:22 PM   #645
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Originally Posted by Thor 2 View Post
The psion strategy is well known.
Yep. Stating facts and backing them up with references is a good strategy.

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Ignoring the core of the argument, regarding the existence of genuine refugees and whether we should feel some empathy for and obligation towards them, and centre on the failed attempts of what has been done before. Assuming those arguing for assisting refugees are lefties and Labor Party supporters, you drag their less than adequate efforts into the picture also. Thereby cementing the impression that nothing can be done.
Meanwhile, back in the real world, Howard's pacific solution worked and Rudd's alternative strategy failed.
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Old 21st January 2019, 09:33 PM   #646
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
I doubt it. I'm not politically correct enough and that is a hanging offence here.
And yet here you are, still unhanged...
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Old 21st January 2019, 09:41 PM   #647
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Yep. Stating facts and backing them up with references is a good strategy.


Meanwhile, back in the real world, Howard's pacific solution worked and Rudd's alternative strategy failed.
Pity these two statements contradict each other, then.
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Pity these two statements contradict each other, then.
Not according to those who read the chart properly.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
And yet here you are, still unhanged...
That could still happen but in the meantime, expect a lot of venomous opposition to anything that I post.
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Old 21st January 2019, 09:56 PM   #650
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Not according to those who read the chart properly.
We went over this. Having indeed read the chart properly, it doesn't support your hypothesis.

Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
That could still happen but in the meantime, expect a lot of venomous opposition to anything that I post.
*YAWN* Yep, sure.
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Old 21st January 2019, 09:59 PM   #651
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
*YAWN* Yep, sure.
And you think that passive-aggressive is somehow different to opposition?

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Having indeed read the chart properly, it doesn't support your hypothesis.
Explain this to me.
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Well how about Palmer moving his company to NZ as a prelude to suing the Australian taxpayer for $45b.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-...ayers/10734744

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Clive Palmer has channelled his corporate empire through New Zealand and threatened to use free trade rules to sue Australian taxpayers for $45 billion as part of a dispute with a Chinese mining company.

Key points:

A New Zealand company now owns Mr Palmer's Mineralogy
That company is controlled by two of Mr Palmer's companies based in Brisbane
The NZ company wants to use a free trade agreement to sue Australia for $45b over Mr Palmer's mining interests
Mr Palmer, who has re-emerged as one of Australia's richest people according to Forbes magazine, last month transferred the ownership of his flagship Mineralogy company to an Auckland-based holding company.

That company, Mineralogy International Limited (MIL), last week flagged using investor protections under the trans-Tasman free trade agreement to claim $45 billion in damages from the Commonwealth if the Western Australian government intervenes against Mr Palmer in his latest dispute with Chinese state-owned Citic.
This should lead the news tonight and should result in Palmer getting zero votes. It won’t lead the news. In fact I bet it isn’t covered.
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Put it in your calendar 12-14 + 18-21 February. The house is sitting. See what happens. See if the Government can well govern. I predict fireworks or no sitting.


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Old 22nd January 2019, 01:19 PM   #654
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The psion strategy is well known.

Ignoring the core of the argument, regarding the existence of genuine refugees and whether we should feel some empathy for and obligation towards them, and centre on the failed attempts of what has been done before. Assuming those arguing for assisting refugees are lefties and Labor Party supporters, you drag their less than adequate efforts into the picture also. Thereby cementing the impression that nothing can be done.
Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post

Meanwhile, back in the real world, Howard's pacific solution worked and Rudd's alternative strategy failed.
Translates to: "Refugees don't concern me much."
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Translates to: "Refugees don't concern me much."
A reinforced bias supported by a classic post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. Never mind.
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Yet another blundered "captains call" by a Liberal leader?


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-...ision/10738076


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Angry Liberals are tearing up their party memberships on the New South Wales south coast over the decision to parachute in former Labor president Warren Mundine to run as a local candidate.
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Yet another blundered "captains call" by a Liberal leader?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-...ision/10738076
They have finished shooting themselves in both feet and are working their way up their legs now.
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Yet another blundered "captains call" by a Liberal leader?


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-...ision/10738076
I do not think it was a mistake, just that they failed to get the agreement of the local branch.
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I do not think it was a mistake, just that they failed to get the agreement of the local branch.

Well the local branch president resigned and after voting Lib for 40 years is supporting the independent guy. Let's see how well the Libs poll with no one handing out the how to vote cards at the booths.
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I for one am loving watching the disintegration of the Liberal Party.
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I for one am loving watching the disintegration of the Liberal Party.
I don't think it is the party of Menzies, nor has it been for some time now. I think Howard's crew saw to that.
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I for one am loving watching the disintegration of the Liberal Party.

Hey I agree with you there arth!

Way to go bro.
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Explain this to me.
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A reinforced bias supported by a classic post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. Never mind.
That is not an explanation, it is a capitulation.

I could similarly use buzz phrases to describe your posts without reading them but instead, I took the time to explain where your chart reading was faulty.
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Hey I agree with you there arth!

Way to go bro.
High five.
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I do not think it was a mistake, just that they failed to get the agreement of the local branch.
Warren Mundine was and always will be a dud. He will lose that electorate by a landslide
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Warren Mundine was and always will be a dud. He will lose that electorate by a landslide
Just read about who he is. A former Labor person, who wasn't even a member of the Liberal Party when Prime Minister Scott Morrison made the announcement.

Read more dirt about him here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-...ndine/10739026
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Just read about who he is. A former Labor person, who wasn't even a member of the Liberal Party when Prime Minister Scott Morrison made the announcement.

Read more dirt about him here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-...ndine/10739026

I admit to a feeling of cynicism about Mundine - somewhat encouraged by a short appraisal of his history. Passed over a number of times in selections within the Labor Party, he spits the dummy with a statement about the nature of the party not being to his liking anymore, and jumps ship. I can't see liberal voters or fence sitters warming to him, and the more leftward leaning would lean toward execution rather than election.
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I was going to post this in the “Ouch 110 degrees” thread, but this is a political issue. Mainly state level, but it impacts nationally.

I must be hopelessly naive, but I thought that when we lost power it was because a tree fell across a line or something similar. I have only now been awoken to:

POWER SHEDDING

There is a roster of suburbs which will be blacked out on high demand days like today. Toorak and Hawthorn lost power today, so it’s not only the down and out suburbs which suffer.

Here’s another thing. I’m also assured that in SA it is publicised which areas are to be “load shedded” and when. Why not everywhere? I’m not personally bitter as my house had power all day, but the place I was working at lost power for 3 hours with very uncomfortable results.

So why not a little honesty. “Your suburb will lose power between 2pm and 5pm today. Buy some ice, keep your pets cool and go to the movies”.

I must say, that I am quite shocked, but not really surprised by this.

Thoughts?
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When the power demand exceeds the supply capability we have shedding.

Don't think they can predict accurately when and where it may be needed as the demand is fickle.

During my time in Thailand I noted little shedding happened. Instead the voltage dropped when the demand was high. The nominal voltage there is 220V, but I measured it a low as 170V at times. We call this a brownout (as distinct from blackout) and it can be deadly for electric motors, driving refrigerators and air conditioners for example.
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Another one jumps ship!


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Federal Human Services Minister Michael Keenan will not contest the next election

Wants to spend more time with his family. Isn't that nice.
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Wants to spend more time with his family. Isn't that nice.

Well, I do know of one Victorian Senator who quit (read: "got fired") in November 1975 and could have walked back into Parliament at number 3 on the Senate ticket for the election, but thought screw this I would rather go fishing. And when he said fishing, he meant fishing. He sent his request to retire and go onto the pension the next day.



Given the pressure of parliament, which is actually very real, retiring on a full Parliamentary pension and doing something a lot less stressful like being with your family, or work you really enjoy, is a very real option.


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Now Nigel Scullion is out as well. I wonder if Morrison will pull the pin next?
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Well, I do know of one Victorian Senator who quit (read: "got fired") in November 1975 and could have walked back into Parliament at number 3 on the Senate ticket for the election, but thought screw this I would rather go fishing. And when he said fishing, he meant fishing. He sent his request to retire and go onto the pension the next day.



Given the pressure of parliament, which is actually very real, retiring on a full Parliamentary pension and doing something a lot less stressful like being with your family, or work you really enjoy, is a very real option.


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Sure a MP can be a stressful job, but he’s only in his 40s, has done the hard yards and is a Minister he has staff, advisors and a whole department at his disposal.

No, he knows what’s coming and can’t be stuffed fighting a losing battle. I expect others, and I think Julie Bishop will soon stand down.
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Now Nigel Scullion is out as well. I wonder if Morrison will pull the pin next?
He is 62 and will be 63 around the election time. So it is reasonable that he retire.
Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Scullion

More about his retirement: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-...l-clp/10747898
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Abbott and Dutton are both on the fast train out of Canberra.

There is no fast train out of Canberra, by the way.
Thanks for that. Gave me a genuine laugh. I can't remember how many times a fast train from Canberra to Sydney has been proposed.

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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
And yet here you are, still unhinged...
FTFY or FTFH or something...
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Old 25th January 2019, 07:30 PM   #677
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
I was going to post this in the “Ouch 110 degrees” thread, but this is a political issue. Mainly state level, but it impacts nationally.

I must be hopelessly naive, but I thought that when we lost power it was because a tree fell across a line or something similar. I have only now been awoken to:

POWER SHEDDING

There is a roster of suburbs which will be blacked out on high demand days like today. Toorak and Hawthorn lost power today, so it’s not only the down and out suburbs which suffer.

Here’s another thing. I’m also assured that in SA it is publicised which areas are to be “load shedded” and when. Why not everywhere? I’m not personally bitter as my house had power all day, but the place I was working at lost power for 3 hours with very uncomfortable results.

So why not a little honesty. “Your suburb will lose power between 2pm and 5pm today. Buy some ice, keep your pets cool and go to the movies”.

I must say, that I am quite shocked, but not really surprised by this.

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It's possibly worse than you realise.

South Australia had to fire up its (Labor Government Purchased) emergency generators to stop Victoria from having massive blackouts.

That's right, our wind power, plus everything else that we've got, including very expensive stuff, to keep Victoria running.

We had some localised failures because power line fuses MELTED IN THE HEAT.

The National Energy market needs to go. Big generators turn off the power (oops our bad) to drive the spot prices up.
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Old 25th January 2019, 07:32 PM   #678
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
He is 62 and will be 63 around the election time. So it is reasonable that he retire.
Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Scullion

More about his retirement: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-...l-clp/10747898
The MP I worked for, was in his seventies when he decided not to fight another election. Just sayin'
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The MP I worked for, was in his seventies when he decided not to fight another election. Just sayin'
People are different. Some love their jobs and hate their family. Others are the reverse. Then there are heaps of other things to consider. Like money.

On the other hand the writing is on the wall. The chances of the Liberals retaining power this year is remote. Some MPs and senators may not want to be part of the opposition, so combined with the above, decide to retire.
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Not to mention the physical, emotional and financial cost of campaigning.

I only did it once, and I'm pretty sure I'll never do it again.

I can certainly understand people being unwilling to do it if there's no chance of success.
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