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Old 21st May 2019, 09:25 PM   #1321
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Those who voted for not(Labor) and not(Shorten) will come to realise that this election win was a major mistake. Things will only get worse. Morrison wasn't delivering before the election and won't deliver afterwards. All the News Ltd fairy-tales that they believed about unlimited well-paid jobs for all at Adani in FNQ will prove to be just that (any well-paid jobs will go to temporary-visa contract workers from India, just like in WA).

Sometimes some people need to learn the hard way that buying the brochure is not the same as buying the product.
We were saying things like that when Abbott was elected.
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Old 21st May 2019, 09:42 PM   #1322
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We were saying things like that when Abbott was elected.
Sometimes it takes a few burns for some people to realise they are on fire...
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Old 21st May 2019, 10:14 PM   #1323
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Well, we had a pretty crappy election result, but at least we're not Indonesia.

Indonesia's re-election of Joko Widodo as President sparks deadly protests in Jakarta

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Six people have died and 200 have been injured in civil unrest in the Indonesian capital after the election commission confirmed President Joko Widodo had won last month's election, according to Jakarta's Governor.

Indonesia's Election Commission on Tuesday said Mr Widodo had won a second term with 55.5 per cent of the vote in the April 17 election.

It was announced about 2:00am, which was believed to be in an effort to avoid mass rioting.

A small group of hardcore supporters of unsuccessful presidential candidate and retired special forces general Prabowo Subianto clashed with riot police at several locations in central Jakarta, burning vehicles — including a police bus — and throwing rocks at police using tear gas, rubber bullets and water cannons.

"As per 9:00am, there were 200 people hurt being brought to five hospitals," Governor Anies Baswedan told broadcaster TVOne.

"The number of people dead was six," he said, adding hospitals were conducting post-mortems to determine the cause of death.
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Old 21st May 2019, 11:07 PM   #1324
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Those who voted for not(Labor) and not(Shorten) will come to realise that this election win was a major mistake. Things will only get worse. Morrison wasn't delivering before the election and won't deliver afterwards. All the News Ltd fairy-tales that they believed about unlimited well-paid jobs for all at Adani in FNQ will prove to be just that (any well-paid jobs will go to temporary-visa contract workers from India, just like in WA).

Sometimes some people need to learn the hard way that buying the brochure is not the same as buying the product.
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It threatens to be Scott Morrison’s first broken election promise.

The Prime Minister told low and middle-income earners they would have just over $1000 extra in their 2018-19 tax returns if the Coalition was re-elected to Government.

But he now faces the prospect of having to let down those 10 million taxpayers.
https://www.news.com.au/national/fed...0c7381f4794a3c

Morrison should have known this was happening and not made the promise. He cannot be trusted and the Australian people are too stupid to see though his silly promises.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 12:02 AM   #1325
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And here it is.

Clive Palmer says he 'decided to polarise electorate' with anti-Labor ads to ensure Coalition win

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Clive Palmer says he “decided to polarise the electorate” with an anti-Labor advertising blitz in the final weeks of the election campaign, rather than attempting to win seats for his United Australia party.

Palmer told ABC radio in Queensland on Tuesday that two weeks before the election, the UAP conducted research that showed it would win four Senate seats and an 11% share of the national vote.

“But it also showed Bill Shorten would be elected prime minister,” Palmer said.

“We thought that would be a disaster for Australia so we decided to polarise the electorate and we thought we’d put what advertising we had left ... into explaining to the people what Shorten’s economic plans were for the country and how they needed to be worried about them.”

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But Palmer said his shift to attacking Shorten and Labor immediately “improved the government’s position” and that they won a majority on the back of his preferences.

“Ninety per cent of those preferences flowed to the Liberal party and they’ve won by about 2% so our vote has got them across the line.”

Palmer also dismissed criticism, including from federal Labor president Wayne Swan that he’d subverted the process by spending millions on an underhand campaign.

“What about the Greens? What about GetUp? It’s just a load of rubbish – [Wayne Swan’s] just a sore loser.”
The miserable toad. Now you know who you can blame for every crappy thing that happens in the next four years.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 12:16 AM   #1326
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
Stunned.

And gutted for any Aussies with either a brain or a heart.
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Morrison now thinks he has been blessed with a "praise Jesus miracle" now. If you found him hard to stomach before just wait for his faith driven BS now.
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It has taken me until today to be able to face the world after this.
Come on. You'd think that Abbott or Turnbull had just been re-elected PM. ScoMo is probably the least harmful Lib to have the top job.

And while Shorten could potentially have been a good PM, we don't really know what he would have been like.

All in all, it is just a coin toss that landed on the wrong side. There is no absolute disaster here.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 12:20 AM   #1327
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Come on. You'd think that Abbott or Turnbull had just been re-elected PM. ScoMo is probably the least harmful Lib to have the top job.

And while Shorten could potentially have been a good PM, we don't really know what he would have been like.

All in all, it is just a coin toss that landed on the wrong side. There is no absolute disaster here.
I'm trying to look at the positive side. But it's not easy.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 12:56 AM   #1328
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Not my wildest predictions ever. Albo ALP leader. He will never be PM. Unelectable.

Look, I would prefer him to anyone the LNP comes up with, after Morrison crashes and burns inside 18 months, but just can’t see him as having the substance, experience and charisma to lead Australia.
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Old 22nd May 2019, 12:57 AM   #1329
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
I'm trying to look at the positive side. But it's not easy.
Of course it's easy. No more Tony Abbott, no more Malcolm Turnbull, no more Fraser Anning and no more Clive Palmer.
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I also think Plebesik is playing this well. Nobody can touch Morrison in the immediate future. I believe she is waiting for both plonks to self-destruct and surf a massive wave to power. She, I believe, is the only hope of a Labor government in 3 years.
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Not my wildest predictions ever. Albo ALP leader. He will never be PM. Unelectable.

Look, I would prefer him to anyone the LNP comes up with, after Morrison crashes and burns inside 18 months, but just can’t see him as having the substance, experience and charisma to lead Australia.
He's a nice bloke to have a drink with and no doubt highly qualified, just like Bill Shorten. But he needs a personality implant too.
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Of course it's easy. No more Tony Abbott, no more Malcolm Turnbull, no more Fraser Anning and no more Clive Palmer.
There's all that and no Christopher Pyyyyyyyyne too. But the same wankers who screwed up the economy and are strangling the country with their dullness are still sitting on the wrong side of the despatch box.
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I also think Plebesik is playing this well.
Chris Bowen is also pulling the same stunt. Clearly, they both think that the next election is unwinnable for Labor.

I hope Albo proves them both wrong. The last thing we need is vultures waiting in the shadows.
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Chris Bowen is also pulling the same stunt. Clearly, they both think that the next election is unwinnable for Labor.

I hope Albo proves them both wrong. The last thing we need is vultures waiting in the shadows.
Jeez, I’m agreeing with you far too often. This may not end well....
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Jeez, I’m agreeing with you far too often. This may not end well....
You can always wax lyrical about Paul Keating if you ever want an argument.

BTW Don't be in too much of a hurry to write of Albo. Remember that over the years, the polls always put Anthony Albanese ahead of Bill Shorten as preferred Prime Minister. What ever PM Shorten might have made, the public never fully trusted him. He was involved in too many leadership knifings in the past.
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And here it is.

Clive Palmer says he 'decided to polarise electorate' with anti-Labor ads to ensure Coalition win

The miserable toad. Now you know who you can blame for every crappy thing that happens in the next four years.
They were so prevalent he paid for them to appear in NZ sites.

Must've been targeting the Aussies over here for a break.

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Come on. You'd think that Abbott or Turnbull had just been re-elected PM. ScoMo is probably the least harmful Lib to have the top job.
Too early to call. As a fundy, I'd rate him the potentially most dangerous.
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Too early to call. As a fundy, I'd rate him the potentially most dangerous.
This is just a repeat of what was hashed out on page 28 of this forum. Morrison is a politician first and foremost. He won't let anything else get in his way.
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This is just a repeat of what was hashed out on page 28 of this forum. Morrison is a politician first and foremost. He won't let anything else get in his way.
We’ll see. He has pledged to ensure “religious freedom”. I’ll bet it’s a green light to bigotry.
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Come on. You'd think that Abbott or Turnbull had just been re-elected PM. ScoMo is probably the least harmful Lib to have the top job.

I would take Turnbull instead of Scomo any day.
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This is just a repeat of what was hashed out on page 28 of this forum. Morrison is a politician first and foremost. He won't let anything else get in his way.
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We’ll see. He has pledged to ensure “religious freedom”. I’ll bet it’s a green light to bigotry.

I agree with you lionking. Look out for the wave of Pentecostal inspired stuff to come. Speaking in tongues in the lower house next! Morrison is on record as saying how important his religious BS faith is. If so how can he ignore it? Don't talk to him about things like climate change. We are in END TIMES now for Christ's sake!
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I agree with you lionking. Look out for the wave of Pentecostal inspired stuff to come. Speaking in tongues in the lower house next! Morrison is on record as saying how important his religious BS faith is. If so how can he ignore it? Don't talk to him about things like climate change. We are in END TIMES now for Christ's sake!
No, that sort of thing is unpalatable to most Australians.
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Not my wildest predictions ever. Albo ALP leader. He will never be PM. Unelectable.

Look, I would prefer him to anyone the LNP comes up with, after Morrison crashes and burns inside 18 months, but just can’t see him as having the substance, experience and charisma to lead Australia.

I am more optimistic than you about Albo. Being somewhat leftward leaning myself, I would like to see Labor veering in that direction, and hope Albo can take us there.

Comforting thought about Morrison crashing and burning though.
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Comforting thought about Morrison crashing and burning though.
He has a degree and some business experience but I see no intellectual depth or statesmanship to him. His “daggy dad” persona will become tired very quickly, but his religious beliefs will always be there.

Although changing leaders is harder now for both sides, I predict midterm will see someone like Frudenberg take the reins.
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Of course it's easy. No more Tony Abbott, no more Malcolm Turnbull, no more Fraser Anning and no more Clive Palmer.
You think we're finished with Clive Palmer?
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He's a nice bloke to have a drink with...
You absolutely cannot and must not judge a politician by what they're like in person. It's a politician's job to be nice to people. It's their whole thing. I'm sure I'd quite like Christopher Pyne if I met him in person. Don't know about Abbott, but Pyne is in person quite likeable. I judge him on his behaviour in Parliament, not what he's like to have a drink with.

If I met him in person, I'd go up to him and I'd say "Mr Pyne, it is such a pleasure to meet you. I just wanted to shake your hand and say thanks."

He would mumble something pleasant, then I'd say "Thanks for retiring. You have no idea how happy that made me."
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I haven't yet worked out a way to verify this with the AEC yet, but a Facebook meme this morning showed that Lyle Shelton (remember him?) received 12 first-preference votes.

12.

That's fewer than Fraser Anning got, and yes, it is one result of last weekend that makes me happy. Mind you, he was running for Senate, and those results are definitely not in yet.
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This is just a repeat of what was hashed out on page 28 of this forum. Morrison is a politician first and foremost. He won't let anything else get in his way.
Time will tell, but while I intensely dislike the bloke for his wank attitude and theism, he's certainly no Trump or Abbott.

I'd expect fairly steady as she goes attitude - tighten the noose further on refugees, give no help to Kiwis in Oz, sell coal, take no action on climate, help big business, fail at solving the housing crisis...
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The Liberal Party is and has always been a party by rich people, for rich people.
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I haven't yet worked out a way to verify this with the AEC yet, but a Facebook meme this morning showed that Lyle Shelton (remember him?) received 12 first-preference votes.

12.

That's fewer than Fraser Anning got, and yes, it is one result of last weekend that makes me happy. Mind you, he was running for Senate, and those results are definitely not in yet.
I checked on the AEC, and he's now got 16 votes. With most of the Senate vote yet to be counted, I'm not sure why I thought the above to be significant.

Speaking of the Senate, it looks like the Greens will be a significant power. All six Green senators have been re-elected, with a strong swing in many locations, including my electorate of Fenner.

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...ate-crossbench
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Oh, here's an interesting thing. If you want to tweet at or about the new Labor leader, make sure you use @AlboMP and not @Albo. @Albo is a very different account.

Don't check it at work.
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I'd expect fairly steady as she goes attitude - tighten the noose further on refugees, give no help to Kiwis in Oz, sell coal, take no action on climate, help big business, fail at solving the housing crisis...
Yep. Nothing religious about that. It's all about sucking up to the big end of town.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
You think we're finished with Clive Palmer?
He may very well stiff his workers again so that he can launch another massive anti-ALP campaign at the next election but he has no representation in Parliament and is unlikely to have any anytime soon.
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He may very well stiff his workers again so that he can launch another massive anti-ALP campaign at the next election but he has no representation in Parliament and is unlikely to have any anytime soon.
Oh that's so naive.

Now that he's proven to himself that he can control politics in Australia, he's going to run roughshod over everything he can, throwing money at it until it's the way he likes it.

We haven't heard the last of Clive. He's not going to wait for the next election to bomb the pool.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
I checked on the AEC, and he's now got 16 votes. With most of the Senate vote yet to be counted, I'm not sure why I thought the above to be significant.

Speaking of the Senate, it looks like the Greens will be a significant power. All six Green senators have been re-elected, with a strong swing in many locations, including my electorate of Fenner.

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...ate-crossbench
I think that is a bit misleading. Lyle Shelton is standing as part of the Australian Conservatives which attracted 21,350 votes. To put this in context though that is only 0.0729 of a quota.

ETA. Ref: https://www.abc.net.au/news/election...results/senate
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I think that is a bit misleading. Lyle Shelton is standing as part of the Australian Conservatives which attracted 21,350 votes. To put this in context though that is only 0.0729 of a quota.

ETA. Ref: https://www.abc.net.au/news/election...results/senate
Right, but in his electorate, he personally still gained very few votes. Which is what I was saying.

Here's an interesting thing. The final results of ABC's Vote Compass have been published, visualised as a percentage.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-...eople/11114554
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Here's an interesting article on how and why Scott Morrison's religion affects his approach to policy:

Five aspects of Pentecostalism that shed light on Scott Morrison’s politics
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Here's an interesting article on how and why Scott Morrison's religion affects his approach to policy:

Five aspects of Pentecostalism that shed light on Scott Morrison’s politics
As an aside, the banner picture on that site shows the all Pentacostals "holding their hand up to God". To me, it bears a striking resemblance to all the Nazis Seig Heiling Hitler...
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As an aside, the banner picture on that site shows the all Pentacostals "holding their hand up to God". To me, it bears a striking resemblance to all the Nazis Seig Heiling Hitler...
That is a comparison that has been drawn before, but it's not a very good one. It's quite a different gesture from both the stiff arm and wrist of the formal salute and the casual version that Hitler himself gives in old newsreel footage. It's easier to see the difference in video than in stills.

I do want to add that the info in that article does quite accurately mirror my own experience in a Pentecostal church.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
That is a comparison that has been drawn before, but it's not a very good one. It's quite a different gesture from both the stiff arm and wrist of the formal salute and the casual version that Hitler himself gives in old newsreel footage. It's easier to see the difference in video than in stills.

I do want to add that the info in that article does quite accurately mirror my own experience in a Pentecostal church.
The meaning may be different but still looks like “Got Mit Uns!”
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The meaning may be different but still looks like “Got Mit Uns!”
Only that particular photo. Other photos showing the same gesture clearly look very different. Do a Google Image search for "pentecostal worship" and you'll see how it's different.
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