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Old 28th November 2018, 07:47 AM   #361
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I'd just like to apologise to the rest of the people in this thread for taking posts #353, #358, #361 and #366 as sincere and constructive.

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Old 28th November 2018, 07:52 AM   #362
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I'd just like to apologise to the rest of the people in this thread for taking posts #353, #358, #361 and #366 as sincere and constructive.

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They were absolutely sincere.
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Old 28th November 2018, 08:03 AM   #363
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Old 28th November 2018, 08:16 AM   #364
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and.......?

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Old 28th November 2018, 08:18 AM   #365
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Old 28th November 2018, 08:21 AM   #366
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Hey, who's been leaking UKIP's next election policies?

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Well, UKIP have taken on Tommy Robinson as a paid policy advisor to help make them a 'Mass Movement'
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Oh dear. Health Secretary Matt Hancock, continuing to talk of a “Brexit dividend” for the NHS.
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Old 28th November 2018, 08:23 AM   #368
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Constructive?
I am not such an egoist that I'm going to declare something I say is or is not constructive. That isnt for me to judge. But I am probably the best source for assessing my sincerity.
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Old 28th November 2018, 08:36 AM   #369
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Old 28th November 2018, 08:40 AM   #370
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
I am not such an egoist that I'm going to declare something I say is or is not constructive. That isnt for me to judge. But I am probably the best source for assessing my sincerity.
Suppose 10% of the original 52% 'leave' voters (~5% of the turnout) have changed their minds and start clamouring for a new referendum. If all the other voters vote the same way as they did first time then the vote becomes 'remain'. But ...

1. Who's going to perk up and listen to a mere 5% of the original turnout?

2. How do we know they voted 'leave' in the first place?

What you're proposing - "leave it to those who have changed their minds" - makes no sense.
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Old 28th November 2018, 08:42 AM   #371
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Suppose 10% of the original 52% 'leave' voters (~5% of the turnout) have changed their minds and start clamouring for a new referendum. If all the other voters vote the same way as they did first time then the vote becomes 'remain'. But ...

1. Who's going to perk up and listen to a mere 5% of the original turnout?

2. How do we know they voted 'leave' in the first place?

What you're proposing - "leave it to those who have changed their minds" - makes no sense.
I'm not saying anyone should listen to them or that my recommendation is a policy for affecting positive results. It is just a statement on good behavior.
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Old 28th November 2018, 08:44 AM   #372
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Suppose 10% of the original 52% 'leave' voters (~5% of the turnout) have changed their minds and start clamouring for a new referendum. If all the other voters vote the same way as they did first time then the vote becomes 'remain'. But ...

1. Who's going to perk up and listen to a mere 5% of the original turnout?

2. How do we know they voted 'leave' in the first place?

What you're proposing - "leave it to those who have changed their minds" - makes no sense.
Also the government can't seem to produce a deal that is remotely as popular as remain.
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Old 28th November 2018, 08:50 AM   #373
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What you're proposing ... makes no sense.
Consider to whom you are writing this...
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Old 28th November 2018, 08:55 AM   #374
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Also the government can't seem to produce a deal that is remotely as popular as remain.
The referendum did not say that warranted another referendum.
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Old 28th November 2018, 08:59 AM   #375
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The referendum did not say that warranted another referendum.
I had no idea we were so legally tied to an advisory referendum.
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Old 28th November 2018, 09:00 AM   #376
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The referendum did not say that warranted another referendum.
Yeah, but it didn't say it didn't warrant another referendum.
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Old 28th November 2018, 09:05 AM   #377
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I recall a news piece before the Referendum in which various Brits in Spain were interviewed. The ones who were permanent residents were mostly very apprehensive and anti-Brexit, but those who had second homes in Spain were pro-Brexit and thought it would have no effect on their ability to use their properties there.
And, of course, those who were permanent residents for more than 10 (?) years weren't allowed to vote in the referendum.

Isn't there a court case still working it's way through about that?
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Old 28th November 2018, 09:30 AM   #378
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Yeah, but it didn't say it didn't warrant another referendum.
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Old 28th November 2018, 11:57 AM   #379
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Er, the deal she has hammered out puts the UK in a worse position than it is already in. It's like asking for a pay rise and accepting a pay cut.
The deal was always going to put the country in a worse position than its already in.
Anyone who was expecting anything else was delusional or lying.

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No, a brilliant negotiator would have maybe been able to hammer out a win-win deal.
Unfortunately Brexit was always going to be a lose-lose deal.
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Old 28th November 2018, 11:59 AM   #380
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Oh dear. Health Secretary Matt Hancock, continuing to talk of a “Brexit dividend” for the NHS.
Of course there will be a NHS dividend, after all the staffing costs will be drastically reduced..
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Yeah, but it didn't say it didn't warrant another referendum.
And it didn't say that it didn't say that it did say it warrants another referendum.!
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Old 28th November 2018, 12:02 PM   #382
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Ok. Why are we listening to Mogg on the BofE report? I want to hear from experts so I can weigh up whether I think it is a good report or not.
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Old 28th November 2018, 01:07 PM   #383
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But that all seems like things remainers said would happen. They have no new knowledge that changes the situation from what they said it was at the time of the vote.
Brexiteers have new knowledge though. Also, a proportion of voters have died since 2016 and there is a load of young new voters. Given that the margin was only 4%, this is significant.
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Old 28th November 2018, 01:09 PM   #384
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Ok. Why are we listening to Mogg on the BofE report? I want to hear from experts so I can weigh up whether I think it is a good report or not.
Does mogg have an expertise or is he just a professional what's it called?

What is the term for hin
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Old 28th November 2018, 01:13 PM   #385
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Does mogg have an expertise or is he just a professional what's it called?

What is the term for hin
Colossal twat.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Does mogg have an expertise or is he just a professional what's it called?

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I'm afraid Rule 10 prohibits an answer.

This news source might give a poetically true* flavour

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/polit...20180911177167


Or this one, which is almost actually true

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/polit...20181121179672

*untrue
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Old 28th November 2018, 01:25 PM   #388
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Colossal twat.
I meant more specific to his background...raised by a nanny, Eton college, Trinity, banking, started hedge fund, then politics....

Is there a particular term for this? I know little about the UK and the only touch point I have for this is "upper class twit of the year" from Monty Python.
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Why are you guys still having to put up with graduates of Eton?
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Why are you guys still having to put up with graduates of Eton?
Because Daily Mail readers are ******* idiots who think people like Rees-Mogg are looking out for the "common man". The sooner that generation is six foot under the better.
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Does mogg have an expertise or is he just a professional what's it called?

What is the term for hin
Monumental antiquated cockwomble.
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Why are you guys still having to put up with graduates of Eton?
A serious answer about how it creates damaged individuals

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...dave-and-boris

see also George Monbiot's description of the Public School system, as a former pupil, and, he'd argue, victim.

In case you're unaware, British Public Schools are private and exclusive, with a pecking order.
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Get the popcorn out. Speaker John Bercow is demanding MP's be given the legal advice, as directed.

Can't wait to see what May is trying to bury.
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Has project fear turned into project reality yet?
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Ok. Why are we listening to Mogg on the BofE report? I want to hear from experts so I can weigh up whether I think it is a good report or not.
Why not read the report yourself?

Key issue is the reporting is appalling on the No Deal scenarios - the BoE is clear that these are "worst-case scenarios" used for stress-test purposes, and not forecasts.
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...Like turkeys voting for Christmas.
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Or dinosaurs for asteroid.
Or Steve Jobs for alternative medicine.
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One of the (many?) good things about Brexit will be the collapse of our archaic parliamentary system and replacement by something more representative. Well either that or Fascism but it’s got to be worth the gamble.
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London will lose up to to €800bn (£700bn) in assets to rival financial hub Frankfurt by March 2019 as banks start to transfer business to the German city before Brexit day.

The lobby group Frankfurt Main Finance released the figure after it was confirmed that 30 banks and financial firms had chosen the city as the site of their new EU headquarters.

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There's an interesting piece of demographic warfare playing out now between May, who wants to hold the Brexit deal debate on the BBC, and Corbyn, who wants it on ITV. Corbyn says it's because he wants to watch the final of I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here!, but that may also be political point scoring. So is May trying to convince the Remainers in their heartland of the sofa in front of the BBC, and is Corbyn going after the working class Tory vote?

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