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Old 14th March 2021, 11:52 AM   #601
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
The English countryside as it really was?

I’ve not seen it but I wonder if the murder body count is an accurate representation of the English countryside?
Apples and oranges.
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Old 14th March 2021, 11:56 AM   #602
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
It was ever so slightly stronger than that: https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...n-2250387.html

Now I live in “Midsomer” county - literally - quite a few scenes have used locations in my village and to add even more veracity to being the type of village he says Midsomer is meant to be, Slough* is on my doorstep, indeed like the Queen I share a Slough postcode.

Sadly he is right about the lack of diversity of ethnicity in such villages, seeing a non-“white” face is unusual, my next door neighbour - who is black, moved here about 10 years ago and he jokes he doubled the number of black people in the village.

Looking at the plain statistics of ethnicities in Britain doesn’t give a good picture of actual diversity in the country.

From 2011 (last census)

1. White European 87.1%
2 Black British or Afro-Caribbean 3.0%
3 Indian 2.3%
4 Multiracial 2.0%
5 Pakistani 1.9%
6 Bangladeshi 0.7%
7 Chinese 0.7%
Other Groups 2.3%

The non “white European” groups are not spread evenly throughout the country. They are pretty much concentrated in a few areas, so many areas of the UK are much more that “87.1% white european” many are indeed like my village in the high nineties. Whereas Slough (from my doorstep it is 9 miles to the centre of Slough) is one of the most “diverse” parts of the country, I think it is about 45% non-white British.



*Despite Slough being the largest town nearby people from around here edit it out of their awareness, when I first moved here I was surprised how it is never suggested as a location for anything. The self-editing is nothing but a mixture of snobbery and racism.
Fascinating. This (as in it isn't realistic) explains the casual interracial couples in the series.
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Old 14th March 2021, 09:23 PM   #603
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Oh, never mind. I’m wasting my breath....
Yeah I gave up on this too. Honestly, I'm almost at the point where I'd need evidence that the Royal Family is not racist.
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Yeah I gave up on this too. Honestly, I'm almost at the point where I'd need evidence that the Royal Family is not racist.

Lol

Yeah ok.

I think you hit that point quite a few days ago now.
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Old 15th March 2021, 12:02 AM   #605
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Fascinating. This (as in it isn't realistic) explains the casual interracial couples in the series.
There has been a huge push for more visible diversity on our screens and in the media. But the strange thing is that in the UK unless you were producing a drama about one of the areas which have a high level of diversity e.g. say London or Slough than an “accurate” depiction of diversity would have very few non-white Europeans. London and its immediate surrounds (Greater London) distorts lots of things in the UK, including perception of the percentages of non-white Europeans.
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Old 15th March 2021, 12:47 AM   #606
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Yep. I am owning up to my bias. Nothing wrong with that.

But frankly, yeah, tabloids gonna tabloid is pretty much what I assume. They are pretty awful to almost everyone. Do they have their favourites who somehow escape criticism? Sure. But look at almost every politician, every celebrity, every football manager who loses a few matches, look at almost all royalty (Charles? Camilla Parker Bowles? Edward? Philip? Andrew?). Do they usually get favourable or I favourable coverage? My recollection of reading things like the Daily Mail or the Sun is that they are relentlessly nasty to almost everyone. And not just tabloids. Look at some of the caricatures in the broadsheet cartoons. Or things like Spitting Image. They are relentlessly brutal.

American parody and satire on the other hand is weak af. Is any politician supposed to be upset by SNL? By Stephen Colbert or Trevor Noah?
Therefore, they shouldn't deny it then. Associated Newspapers Limited (ANL) have written to CBS News to complain about being misrepresented over headlines but one headline in particular struck me. It was the one about Meghan's blood tainting the royal family. ANL claim this was out of context, with the claim in quotation marks and attributed to an expelled UKIP member.

However, why put that quote in the headline at all, except to infer to readers that is the newspaper's stance. We have the DAILY EXPRESS who use this type of headline every day. "The EU are bullies!" [says MEP] and it is clear that is the message the newspaper wants readers to be swayed by. They put it in quotations as ascribed to A.N. Other because they know it would not be considered appropriate to do otherwise.

In other words, why would they have an opening headline screaming that Meghan's blood would taint the royal family, especially as the quote is by someone no-one had ever heard of (some bod in the UKIP hierachy who says a lot of openly racist things). The claim 'we were just quoting a racist' is really intellectually dishonest of ANL as they had no need to quote her at all as a banner headline.
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Originally Posted by EHocking View Post
There’s a short documentary series that may interest some here.
BBC 2’s Mixed Brittania.
Available here - perhaps not available outside the Uk?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b015skx4
Harry and William have Indian ancestry, themselves.

Quote:
Britain's royal family has long been taunted for its German roots, but now a more exotic lineage can be revealed after evidence emerged indicating that Prince William is the direct descendant of an Indian woman.

The Duke of Cambridge's maternal lineage was revealed on Friday by a genetic ancestry testing company, BritainsDNA, which carried out tests on the DNA of Princess Diana's two matrilineal cousins and compared them to a global database of samples.

https://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/14/w...dia/index.html
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The Behaviour Panel has done an analysis of Harry & Meghan's body language in the Winfrey interview.

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Old 15th March 2021, 02:56 AM   #609
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*Despite Slough being the largest town nearby people from around here edit it out of their awareness, when I first moved here I was surprised how it is never suggested as a location for anything. The self-editing is nothing but a mixture of snobbery and racism.
It's where The Office was set and one of the forms of Gozer the Traveller from Ghostbusters
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The Behaviour Panel has done an analysis of Harry & Meghan's body language in the Winfrey interview.

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One should never trust "body language expert" interpretations unless their findings are properly confirmed by aura readings, tarot cards, and haruspicy.
Bravo.
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The Behaviour Panel has done an analysis of Harry & Meghan's body language in the Winfrey interview.



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I'm familiar with them. As body language experts go, they are especially not credible.


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One should never trust "body language expert" interpretations unless their findings are properly confirmed by aura readings, tarot cards, and haruspicy.
...he said, crossing his arms behind his back, legs akimbo, leaning to the left, with one eye closed and the other staring straight up, his tongue flicking across his nose, and ears wiggling rapidly. To a properly-trained expert all these subtle clues that others might miss add up and reveal hidden truths.
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
...he said, crossing his arms behind his back, legs akimbo, leaning to the left, with one eye closed and the other staring straight up, his tongue flicking across his nose, and ears wiggling rapidly. To a properly-trained expert all these subtle clues that others might miss add up and reveal hidden truths.
And so it was revealed that Myriad was a Russian agent!
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I'm familiar with them. As body language experts go, they are especially not credible.


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I have a good idea as to why you don't like them.

They are extremely credible. Mark Dowden is a bit of camp entertainment and once streaked nude across a rugby field as an advertising stunt. The others include an army interrogator, former police interrogators, university professors, and are serious psychology professionals.

I like this guy here, who studies the psychology of languages. He has come up with this analysis:

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Fascinating. This (as in it isn't realistic) explains the casual interracial couples in the series.
I think Call the Midwife (my wife's new favorite show, apparently) has handled the race thing about as well as could be handled.

If you are going to have a realistic show set in a certain period and place, I think it's really dumb to try and shoehorn in people of color where they really weren't present. Maybe they should just not do period pieces anymore. Or if they are, set them in an alternate universe where you can explore these issues without being anachronistic: see Bridgerton.

I think insisting on POC representation in anachronistic and unrealistic settings is a form of sugarcoating the past and denying the present; "See, we aren't a bad society!" Sorry, UKians in denial, but your royal family (and a big part of your society) is racist and always has been. MM is a prime example.
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Well this thread has set new standards for how much we have to challenge anyone anytime they claim to have racist relatives/inlaws.
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I think Call the Midwife (my wife's new favorite show, apparently) has handled the race thing about as well as could be handled.

If you are going to have a realistic show set in a certain period and place, I think it's really dumb to try and shoehorn in people of color where they really weren't present. Maybe they should just not do period pieces anymore. Or if they are, set them in an alternate universe where you can explore these issues without being anachronistic: see Bridgerton.

I think insisting on POC representation in anachronistic and unrealistic settings is a form of sugarcoating the past and denying the present; "See, we aren't a bad society!" Sorry, UKians in denial, but your royal family (and a big part of your society) is racist and always has been. MM is a prime example.
Totally agreed, though there were people of colour in situations that you might think were not likely. Henry VIII had a black trumpeter, for example, and Dido Elizabeth Belle was born a slave in 1761, but brought up as an aristocrat in England.
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Totally agreed, though there were people of colour in situations that you might think were not likely. Henry VIII had a black trumpeter, for example, and Dido Elizabeth Belle was born a slave in 1761, but brought up as an aristocrat in England.
There you go bringing facts into a perfectly good rant about why we have to white wash the past.

I am reminded of how people reacted to the inclusion of non white roman legionnaires in Doctor Who. When of course we know from their own writing that boatmen from Iraq were stationed in England during the roman period.
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There you go bringing facts into a perfectly good rant about why we have to white wash the past.

I am reminded of how people reacted to the inclusion of non white roman legionnaires in Doctor Who. When of course we know from their own writing that boatmen from Iraq were stationed in England during the roman period.
There's DNA evidence for Romans in Britain who were originally from North Africa, and, back to Henry VIIIs time, the same for several of the crew of the Mary Rose.
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There's DNA evidence for Romans in Britain who were originally from North Africa, and, back to Henry VIIIs time, the same for several of the crew of the Mary Rose.
The ones from Iraq we know of because we have their letters home asking for new underwear.
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The ones from Iraq we know of because we have their letters home asking for new underwear.
Cool.
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Then there are the Asian immigrants including Japanese samurai in 16th century mexico.

https://tlatollotl.tumblr.com/post/1...samurai-helped

Some even got to be honorary whites.
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There's DNA evidence for Romans in Britain who were originally from North Africa, and, back to Henry VIIIs time, the same for several of the crew of the Mary Rose.
The North Africans were likely Berbers and not particularly black at all.
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While we are at Russian agents, the spokesperson of the Russian Foreign Ministry, the sharp-brained Maria Zakharova, was asked to comment on that affair at a press briefing some days ago. Her answer is quite interesting - I will quote it in full here as it obviously is meant to be spread and has no copyright, and it makes it available to people who might be afraid to click on a link to an official Russian government website.

Originally Posted by Maria Zakharova
We have received many requests to comment on the high profile interview of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex on a CBS television show. We are not really interested in such things and won’t comment on them. This is not our business.

However, we are very interested in and concerned about everything that is linked with British propaganda and the undermining of freedom of speech in Britain. We paid some attention to this interview in this context.
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She may be sharp-brained, but brevity is not her strong point.

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[T]he “unwavering traditions of professionalism” of the British media, stemming from their close ties with the British political establishment, are nothing more than a mixture of hypocrisy and double standards wrapped in custom-made snobbery and imperial phantom pains.
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Well, it's painting with a broad brush, but I don't really think that anyone actually believes that the entirety of the British press has "unwavering traditions of professionalism", do they? British tabloids have a worldwide reputation, for sure, but not necessarily for professionalism.
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Well, it's painting with a broad brush, but I don't really think that anyone actually believes that the entirety of the British press has "unwavering traditions of professionalism", do they? British tabloids have a worldwide reputation, for sure, but not necessarily for professionalism.

Considering Scoop was published over 80 years ago one wonders when the press was ever mean to have had “ unwavering traditions of professionalism”.
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Considering Scoop was published over 80 years ago one wonders when the press was ever mean to have had “ unwavering traditions of professionalism”.
What came first? The gutter press or the public's insatiable desire for salaciousness?

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What came first? The gutter press or the public's insatiable desire for salaciousness?

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The latter I would imagine, given court gossip has been around and has cost heads for centuries, or probably a lot longer.
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
What came first? The gutter press or the public's insatiable desire for salaciousness?

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. ~ H. L. Mencken
They aren’t separate things.
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