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Old 30th May 2018, 12:20 AM   #1
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Missouri governor to resign

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Facing impeachment over an extramarital affair and campaign finance inquiry, Missouri Governor Eric Greitens has announced he will quit on Friday.
He should have just continued to deny, deny, deny IMO

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44297378

A Republican rising star brought down by the deep state ?

Or maybe a political grifter.....

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He was charged last month with felony computer data tampering to obtain a donor list for a veterans' charity he founded in 2007 without permission for his own political gain.

Earlier on Tuesday, a court ruling added to Mr Greitens' problems.

A judge gave the governor's political non-profit group, A New Missouri, until Friday to turn over communications between it and Mr Greitens' office.

Investigators are looking into whether his campaign illegally co-ordinated with A New Missouri to conceal donors by using shell companies to funnel money.
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A scoundrel! Good riddance
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A scoundrel! Good riddance


No misspelt outbursts from the Dolt about this? I am disappoint.
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Greitens couldn't afford too public a fuss over his GOP/dark money financial connections.
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Yeah, that the resignation came after a court ruling that Grietens organization had to hand over it's documents is just a coincidence....

I have images of Grietans being just like Mel Brooks Corrupt Governor in "Blazing Saddles"

"We have to protect our phony baloney jobs".
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Old 30th May 2018, 04:26 PM   #7
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So, if we pick some period of time, say, the past few years, and tot up the numbers of R vs D resignations, convictions and general scandalous activity, what would be the ratio?
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So, if we pick some period of time, say, the past few years, and tot up the numbers of R vs D resignations, convictions and general scandalous activity, what would be the ratio?
Oooh! I know: irrelevant?

ETA: not being flippant, just that party only matters if the other party fills the spot. Like Roy Moore.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
Oooh! I know: irrelevant?

ETA: not being flippant, just that party only matters if the other party fills the spot. Like Roy Moore.
Why would such a comparison be irrelevant? If one party suffers a higher frequency of legal troubles, might that not be indicative of a culture of more/worse impropriety in that party?

I'm Canadian, but I get the distinct impression that the Rs suffer a considerably higher frequency of legal hits than do the Ds.

About the other party filling the spot. I don't follow your meaning. Are you suggesting a purely partisan interpretation is going on? Or do you mean such comparisons are relevant only if the bad guy loses to the opposition?

In any event, the objective facts as borne out by convictions or resignations cannot be sloughed off as ambiguous interpretation along the lines of "we said they said."
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Old 30th May 2018, 11:26 PM   #10
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Why would such a comparison be irrelevant? If one party suffers a higher frequency of legal troubles, might that not be indicative of a culture of more/worse impropriety in that party?
In which case, number of resignations may not be a good metric. It seems (to my biased and untutored eye) that Democratic Party politicians tend to resign comparatively early if they have problems of this type whereas GOP politicians hang on for grim death. Looking at it another way, Democratic Party politicians are more prepared to abandon the electorate, GOP politicians stick at it regardless of the vicissitudes of political life.

There are doubtless notable counter-examples on both sides.

Even if more GOP politicians are in the cross-hairs that could just be due to the fact that the #FakeNews media is prepared to pick upon every rumour whereas FoxNews, WorldNewsDaily and other #RealNews outlets wouldn't say anything that isn't demonstrably and unequivocally true.

Alternatively it could be that they're all at it, but that GOP politicians are bad at it and keep getting caught. OTOH Shillary the Hildebeast is the crookedest politician ever and yet she's so good at it, and the deep state is so effective, that somehow she can never quite be pinned down...
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Then there is Illinois, where both parties seem in a contest as to which one can be the most corrupt...
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More time with family and friends? Singled out for a White House advisory role?
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More time with family and friends? Singled out for a White House advisory role?
At minimum, surely a presidential pardon?
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
In which case, number of resignations may not be a good metric. It seems (to my biased and untutored eye) that Democratic Party politicians tend to resign comparatively early if they have problems of this type whereas GOP politicians hang on for grim death. Looking at it another way, Democratic Party politicians are more prepared to abandon the electorate, GOP politicians stick at it regardless of the vicissitudes of political life.

There are doubtless notable counter-examples on both sides.

Even if more GOP politicians are in the cross-hairs that could just be due to the fact that the #FakeNews media is prepared to pick upon every rumour whereas FoxNews, WorldNewsDaily and other #RealNews outlets wouldn't say anything that isn't demonstrably and unequivocally true.

Alternatively it could be that they're all at it, but that GOP politicians are bad at it and keep getting caught. OTOH Shillary the Hildebeast is the crookedest politician ever and yet she's so good at it, and the deep state is so effective, that somehow she can never quite be pinned down...
Or just that the R's get in more trouble for it because of their fondness for proclaiming themselves the party of "Family Values". Which includes Greitens himself.
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... proclaiming themselves the party of "Family Values"

Is that family la Cosa Nostra?
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
At minimum, surely a presidential pardon?
He has not been convicted of anything yet.
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He has not been convicted of anything yet.
Didn't Gerald Ford's pardon of Nixon establish that a pardon can be given before a conviction?
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Things have... changed over the past few years in this case. Greitens has basically been exonerated, the prosecutor is in potential trouble for misconduct, and the investigator is already under indictment.

https://justthenews.com/accountabili...e-soros-backed
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Why would such a comparison be irrelevant? If one party suffers a higher frequency of legal troubles, might that not be indicative of a culture of more/worse impropriety in that party?

I'm Canadian, but I get the distinct impression that the Rs suffer a considerably higher frequency of legal hits than do the Ds.

About the other party filling the spot. I don't follow your meaning. Are you suggesting a purely partisan interpretation is going on? Or do you mean such comparisons are relevant only if the bad guy loses to the opposition?

In any event, the objective facts as borne out by convictions or resignations cannot be sloughed off as ambiguous interpretation along the lines of "we said they said."
It's certainly relevant when one party claims to be the party of "family values and law and order".
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Things have... changed over the past few years in this case. Greitens has basically been exonerated, the prosecutor is in potential trouble for misconduct, and the investigator is already under indictment.

https://justthenews.com/accountabili...e-soros-backed
This is very clearly not a reliable source; for instance in the middle of the article it randomly asides to the Trump-Russia allegations, calling them "debunked" which is objectively a lie.

Do you have a different source?
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Here's CNN. But we all know it's fake news.
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Here's CNN. But we all know it's fake news.
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(CNN)A Missouri panel "found no evidence of any wrongdoing" by former Gov. Eric Greitens following a nearly 18-month investigation into allegations of misconduct by his 2016 gubernatorial campaign, according to a report released Thursday, even as investigators faulted his campaign for failing to report legal in-kind contributions by two groups.
This article seems to be about a completely different scandal involving the same person.
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...Do you have a different source?
This story -- all with the same headline -- is all over right wing news. The headline on the story linked-
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Missouri case that toppled GOP governor boomerangs on Soros-backed prosecutor
George Soros 'backed' the prosecution? Looks like fake news. However, Greitens has just been cleared of campaign violations. Below is a report from CNN-
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A Missouri panel "found no evidence of any wrongdoing" by former Gov. Eric Greitens following a nearly 18-month investigation into allegations of misconduct by his 2016 gubernatorial campaign, according to a report released Thursday, even as investigators faulted his campaign for failing to report legal in-kind contributions by two groups. Those contributions came in the form of television and radio ads that attacked Greitens' rivals in the Republican primary, funded by the outside group LG PAC, and a series of polls conducted in 2017 on behalf of the Greitens campaign but paid for by his not-for-profit entity, A New Missouri.

It appears right wing media is trying to blend all the allegations together. CNN also reports on the allegations that led to Greitens resigning and they still seem pretty solid.
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The woman testified under oath in 2018, telling Missouri lawmakers that she felt forced into sexual acts with Greitens, and that he had threatened to release explicit photos of her if she revealed their relationship. Greitens admitted to the affair, but denied ever engaging in blackmail, coercion or acts of sexual violence. At the time, he maintained that the allegations against him were part of a "political witch hunt" perpetrated by his enemies. Link
Using the 'witch hunt' and 'George Soros is behind it' defense. Seriously?
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It appears right wing media is trying to blend all the allegations together.
That's the impression I'm getting as well. If the sexual-harassment allegations were completely invented, as the first article seems to want to be true, it seems incredibly odd to me that Greitens - who actually was the governor and not simply campaigning, mind - would just instantly resign as soon as they were announced.
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If you Google "Missouri case that toppled GOP governor boomerangs," you get links to right wing 'news sites,' Youtube, Reddit, etc. If you use Google News you don't get much.

Curious, I looked at the St. Louis Post-Dispatch news site to see what they might have. Not much. The finding that Greitens was not personally liable for his campaign's violations apparently was released several weeks ago. Here's what I did find, an editorial from February 15:
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Missouri ethics officials last week confirmed what has long been apparent regarding disgraced former Gov. Eric Greitens: His campaign violated state law with dark-money schemes to obtain unreported political help during and after his 2016 election victory. That conclusion, and the $178,000 fine imposed by the Missouri Ethics Commission, are damning reminders that Greitens doesn’t belong in politics — though you wouldn’t know it from his crowing on Facebook and in friendly media interviews. This self-proclaimed leader is claiming vindication because regulators couldn’t prove he personally knew what was being done in his name within several campaign organizations that supported him. That’s leadership?

Even as controversy grew over Greitens’ campaign shenanigans and his extreme secrecy in office, he ultimately resigned amid allegations of sexual and physical abuse of his hairdresser during their consensual affair. Link
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
If you Google "Missouri case that toppled GOP governor boomerangs," you get links to right wing 'news sites,' Youtube, Reddit, etc. If you use Google News you don't get much.

Curious, I looked at the St. Louis Post-Dispatch news site to see what they might have. Not much. The finding that Greitens was not personally liable for his campaign's violations apparently was released several weeks ago. Here's what I did find, an editorial from February 15:
That is very interesting.

When I first questioned the originally-linked website, I figured it was just me having trouble finding a reputable source - it's happened before - and I actually fully expected that one would be linked verifying the story. But others like you are turning up blanks as well when actually looking. I guess it's safe to disregard this one.
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FWIW, the local conservative talk radio station was parroting this story a while back. I meant to look into it, but forgot. Thanks for the update.
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This story -- all with the same headline -- is all over right wing news. The headline on the story linked-





George Soros 'backed' the prosecution? Looks like fake news. However, Greitens has just been cleared of campaign violations. Below is a report from CNN-







It appears right wing media is trying to blend all the allegations together. CNN also reports on the allegations that led to Greitens resigning and they still seem pretty solid.





Using the 'witch hunt' and 'George Soros is behind it' defense. Seriously?
When you consider how much trouble Soros causes globally I'm not surprised he's behind this as well.
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Defenders of former Missouri governor Eric Greitens -- who was "a rising star in national Republican politics" -- seem to be trying to muddy the waters in a bid to give Greitens' supporters some talking points with which to defend him. This is from a New York Times report from June 2019:
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In the Greitens case, [prosecutor Kimberly Gardner] has become a focus of a special prosecutor who was appointed to investigate a former F.B.I. agent. The prosecutor has had her office’s email server seized by the police, giving them access, her lawyers say, to active criminal investigations of the department itself. He has been fishing for incriminating information on her administration, according to an affidavit by the agent’s lawyer. Her aides have been called before a grand jury.

The controversy began in January 2018, when allegations surfaced that before he was governor, Mr. Greitens, who was married, had taken a picture of his mistress without her consent while she was partly clothed, tied up and blindfolded, and threatened to release it if she revealed the affair...During a sworn deposition the following month [March 2018], though, Mr. Tisaby [the former FBI agent and private investigator in the Greitens case] made a number of false statements, including that he did not have notes from the interview, and that a video recorder had malfunctioned. But there were notes, and a videotape, both of which Ms. Gardner turned over to the Greitens legal team three weeks later. Armed with those, the defense lawyers went on offense. They said the tape had been deliberately concealed because it showed the hairdresser contradicting what she had told a state legislative committee, undermining the case against Mr. Greitens. Link
Despite the allegations and accusations, it is not at all clear that the case against Eric Greitens was based on 'fraud' by investigators. The heart of the accusations is that the witness against Greitens, the hairdresser, gave contradictory statements to investigators. That the prosecutor, Kimberly Gardner, knew this but concealed it from Greitens defense team. However, that does not seem to be true. Gardner's office turned over the tape to Greitens defense team three weeks after they requested it, in March 2018.
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Failure to turn over the tape would be a far more serious concern if it had the potential to help exonerate the defendant. But it is not clear that the video would have: When the state legislative committee investigating the controversy, composed largely of Mr. Greitens’s fellow Republicans, reviewed the tape, it found that the hairdresser’s accounts had been consistent.
The new prosecutor the court appointed also found the witness, the hairdresser, was consistent in her statements.
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A new prosecutor was appointed to review the case, but the statute of limitations had almost expired and she ran out of time, though she found the hairdresser “extremely credible.”
Kimberly Gardner has prosecuted Eric Greitens and St. Louis police officers. She has made some powerful enemies. They're playing hardball. (A police union official said publicly that Gardner should be in jail.) My impression is, they are fighting back, primarily by smearing her. They make accusations that turn out to be false or overstated but the right wingers don't care. It gives them something they can use -- in internet discussions like this one, for example -- and that's good enough. It's the times we live in.

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This is very clearly not a reliable source; for instance in the middle of the article it randomly asides to the Trump-Russia allegations, calling them "debunked" which is objectively a lie.

Do you have a different source?
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
Remember Ziggurat, justthenews.com is not your friend.
Heh. I saw "just the news dot com" and "soros-backed" in the link and knew that it would be super-accurate unbiased news.
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