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Old 14th March 2020, 05:26 PM   #481
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Bernie Sanders still has a shot!
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Old 14th March 2020, 06:00 PM   #482
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
John Adams, the first US Vice President, called it "The Most Insignficent Office ever devised by man"
The VP is like the 'spare to the heir' in monarchies. He has very little importance other than to be available if the president/heir dies.
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Old 14th March 2020, 06:04 PM   #483
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Dick Cheney, anyone?
Dick Cheney almost made me believe the devil was real.
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Old 14th March 2020, 09:14 PM   #484
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
The VP is like the 'spare to the heir' in monarchies. He has very little importance other than to be available if the president/heir dies.
I also get the impression that the framers of Constitution though ties were going to come up a lot more often in the Senate. And it seemed to have happened a lot in the early days, probably a side effect of the Senate being smaller and political parties having less power, but then trailed off pretty quick. It's still a thing, and Pence has done more then is common in the modern age being the first VP to cast double digit tie breaker votes the since 1870s.

But also the original concept of the VP (essentially the runner up instead of someone running on the same ticket as a co-candidate) is functionally pretty different as well so there's that.

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Dick Cheney almost made me believe the devil was real.
Shooting someone in the face with a shotgun and getting them to apologize to you is rather cartoonish.
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Old 15th March 2020, 06:07 AM   #485
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
John Adams, the first US Vice President, called it "The Most Insignficent Office ever devised by man"
It isn't really though. Adams may have been the first vice president, but he went on to become the second president. Many other vice presidents have since ascended to the office of president one way or another.

They also are able to break a tie in the senate. It's like having the same power as any other senator (whose votes don't count anyway unless there's a tie of some sort).

Any vote that isn't a vote that either makes it a tie or breaks a tie is an irrelevant vote, after all.
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Old 15th March 2020, 09:14 AM   #486
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Dick Cheney almost made me believe the devil was real.
In a world of Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, and Pol Pot...

In a world of Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, Josef Mengele...

In a world of Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein, Jimmy Savile...

... Dick Cheney makes you question your faith?
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Old 15th March 2020, 09:24 AM   #487
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
It isn't really though. Adams may have been the first vice president, but he went on to become the second president. Many other vice presidents have since ascended to the office of president one way or another.
It does not follow that the Vice Presidency is a meaningful post, or an important stepping-stone to the presidency. Adams' ascension to the presidency is probably better explained by the fact that he was one of the main architects of the system, and already on everyone's short list for high offices in the new system simply by virtue of that list being very short to begin with (since the whole thing was just beginning at the time, and he was one of the people who started it).
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
It does not follow that the Vice Presidency is a meaningful post, or an important stepping-stone to the presidency. Adams' ascension to the presidency is probably better explained by the fact that he was one of the main architects of the system, and already on everyone's short list for high offices in the new system simply by virtue of that list being very short to begin with (since the whole thing was just beginning at the time, and he was one of the people who started it).
Well, sure. Nevertheless, becoming Vice President probably correlates with eventually becoming president more than any other elected position you can name. If it isn't a good stepping-stone to the presidency, then neither is any other office.
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Old 16th March 2020, 10:30 AM   #489
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Time for Sanders to drop out.

Up until a few days ago I would not have felt that way, but the way things are devolving in this Country (and the rest of the world) right now we (Democrats) need to begin speaking with a single voice as soon as possible.
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Old 16th March 2020, 12:54 PM   #490
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
Time for Sanders to drop out.

Up until a few days ago I would not have felt that way, but the way things are devolving in this Country (and the rest of the world) right now we (Democrats) need to begin speaking with a single voice as soon as possible.
I disagree, I think Biden needs a little goading to commit to action.

The first debate question was about the virus response, and Biden's answer was the usual centrist horse crap full of political doublespeak and "go to my website if you want details." Then Bernie's answer was "people need to know they'll be able to make their mortgage payments and hospital bills no matter what," and Biden immediately adopted that for the rest of the exchange.
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