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Old 19th February 2020, 09:37 PM   #321
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
We are following two different strands of reality here.

We were discussing Bernie's contributions to the Democrats and you said he campaigned for Clinton. I thought you were being sarcastic because IMO, he only put in a half-assed effort.
He was a ball of fire for Clinton compared to how she acted towards Obama.

All this after his complaints of being unfairly treated by the DNC were met with "you aren't in the party, go eff yourself."

So, nah.
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Old 19th February 2020, 09:59 PM   #322
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Let's keep the issues in their columns. The discussion was about Sanders switching back and forth between Independent and Democratic Parties, and you can throw in Sanders getting mad that he didn't get the support from the DNC he felt as a Democratic Party candidate he was owed.

Do you see Bloomberg complaining the DNC isn't supporting him?

Back to who has done what. Bloomberg is getting a lot of flak tonight for all the Republicans he supported in the past.

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So the answer is, yes, Bloomberg has supported Democratic candidates. I'm not sure Sanders ever did contribute (time and support, not cash) to any Democratic candidates.
Oh yeah, he supported George W Bush for his... oh wait, no, he's the other one isn't he?
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Old 19th February 2020, 09:59 PM   #323
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Sanders only reluctantly campaigned for Clinton. It took him a while to get over his sour grapes.

Sanders was holding rallies for Clinton across the country while she was disappearing for days at a time or holding private meetings with big donors (like H. Weinstein).
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Since conceding defeat in the primaries, Sanders has been one of the real champions of this campaign. He let his supporters yell at him and deride him as a sellout in bleak delegate breakfasts at the Democratic National Convention, in Philadelphia, as he endorsed Clinton and explained why they needed to do the same. He made getting support for her his priority, putting aside any subtle, undermining gestures that might have better preserved his rebel-rock-star status.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-d...illary-clinton

And Clinton still hasn't gotten over her sour grapes.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/21/u...e-sanders.html

Clinton has never accepted responsibility for running an incompetent campaign that took her fans for granted and disparaged voters whose support she needed.
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Old 19th February 2020, 10:02 PM   #324
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Old 19th February 2020, 10:03 PM   #325
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Bloomberg? Hindenberg, more like...

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Also, on the debate stage he looked terrible in the clips I saw. Mumbling and stumbling all over his words. No, I haven't watched the whole debate, and few people will.
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Oh yeah, he supported George W Bush for his... oh wait, no, he's the other one isn't he?
So 15 years back, not his more recent contributions?
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Old 19th February 2020, 10:13 PM   #327
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So 15 years back, not his more recent contributions?
He donated millions to elect republican Senator Pat Toomey in 2016. Bloomberg is part of the reason Trump got two Supreme Court justices.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
He's already shown he can effectively answer charges.
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Bloomberg only has to convince the low information voter.
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Bloomberg can handle himself in a debate.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
So 15 years back, not his more recent contributions?
Could we have some examples of contributions?
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I can't help but notice the irony: The candidate (Bloomberg) is donating to key influential legislators here rather than the big money going to influence the candidate.

Bloomberg isn't taking any donations from people trying to influence him. That's at least worth a second look.

I think at a minimum Bloomberg can beat Trump, no question.

I might prefer another candidate, but beating Trump trumps other reasons to pick a candidate.

I am not supporting Bloomberg at the moment so I don't need a bunch of arguments why he's more Republican than Progressive. I'm pretty sure he is. But I'm still not convinced Sanders is the safe choice.
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Could we have some examples of contributions?
It will take some time to sort past the news media's distortions.
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I don't know anymore if Bloomberg can beat Trump: Bloomberg's stoicism in confrontations can be seen as Presidential, or it might be seen as passive and detached.
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I think he's toast. Very expensive toast. Not just avocado toast, but avocado and pheasant toast, monogrammed M.B. with gold sprinkles.
And this is why I kept telling people who claimed that he was trying to buy the election that it didn't matter how many billions you spend on advertising. If people don't like you or your policies, they aren't going to vote for you.
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Old 20th February 2020, 03:55 AM   #334
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Bloomberg is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He is a part of the problem that you guys need to solve in november: Rich people getting richer and poor people getting poorer.
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And this is why I kept telling people who claimed that he was trying to buy the election that it didn't matter how many billions you spend on advertising. If people don't like you or your policies, they aren't going to vote for you.

Better odds than having ideas everyone likes but not having a few billion to lay out on testing the idea.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I don't know anymore if Bloomberg can beat Trump: Bloomberg's stoicism in confrontations can be seen as Presidential, or it might be seen as passive and detached.
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Better odds than having ideas everyone likes but not having a few billion to lay out on testing the idea.
Depends if you are talking having no money at all so that you can't get the idea out at all, in which case even someone with a few thousand dollars to spend has better odds, so that argument is pointless, or if you mean more than someone that had a few hundred thousand to throw about, at with point it all depends on how efficient you use it to build up your name recognition.

Once you get to the millions vs billions stage of US Politics, then it doesn't really make a lot of difference because you can get your message and name out out either way, and then it comes down to likability and policies.
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Bloomberg is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He is a part of the problem that you guys need to solve in november: Rich people getting richer and poor people getting poorer.
He’s a wolf in wolf’s clothing.
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Depends if you are talking having no money at all so that you can't get the idea out at all, in which case even someone with a few thousand dollars to spend has better odds, so that argument is pointless, or if you mean more than someone that had a few hundred thousand to throw about, at with point it all depends on how efficient you use it to build up your name recognition.

Once you get to the millions vs billions stage of US Politics, then it doesn't really make a lot of difference because you can get your message and name out out either way, and then it comes down to likability and policies.
I'd like it to be down to likability and policies without the required wealth check first.
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Who cares how much you can get done if your ideas are garbage?

If Bloomberg wants to put his wealth in a blind charitable trust and sign on to be chief of staff for whoever wins, then his point makes more sense. A president isn't the manager. He's the guy that hires managers.
Like Trump?

Sorry, semantics I guess, hiring managers is a function of management IMO
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It warms my cold dead heart to see Bloomberg getting gang-beat on live TV.
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I'd like it to be down to likability and policies without the required wealth check first.
Well, as I have said before, and am now saying again, I'm a firm believer that all candidates should all get a set amount for advertising and have to account for their spending to show they did not exceed it, and any political donations should only be allowed for the general campaign costs such as ad production, staff costs, travel, etc.

But hey, that's not the US way....

Until they decide to change, I have no issues with Billionaires throwing their money away, and I am sure those that get it thrown to them don't mind either...
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I think at a minimum Bloomberg can beat Trump, no question.
How do you come to that conclusion?

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But I'm still not convinced Sanders is the safe choice.
I don't think anyone is a safe choice.

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It will take some time to sort past the news media's distortions.
Oh come now. I only ask for some examples of Bloomberg campaigning for Democrats. That can't be too hard. And media distortions? He owns part of the media, and has been saturating the airwaves with his ads. Surely it can't be that hard to examples of him campaigning for Democrats.

This is not even meant to be a gotcha. It was meant to be a gimme.
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Sanders only reluctantly campaigned for Clinton. It took him a while to get over his sour grapes.
So it doesn't count because it took him too long to do the thing you specifically asked for?
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So it doesn't count because it took him too long to do the thing you specifically asked for?

So far, I've heard

He's 'unelectable'
Okay, he's electable but he can't win
Okay, he can win, but he's not a proper democrat
Okay, he's a proper democrat but actually part of the swamp

and a million other pieces of utter ******** because the billionairres, on both sides of the house, are ******** themselves to the point of dehydration that an actual man of the people might get his hands on power.


If he does, I predict either a corporate instigated collapse of the economy while blaming Bernie for it or an Epstein solution.
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I have a lot of gripes with Warren, but she wen't full pitbull on Bloomberg's NDAs. She bit and just wouldn't let go, much respect to Warren.

Bloomberg explaining that actually NDAs are good for the women he's forcing to keep quiet at risk of being sued is truly something to behold.

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Anyway, Warren just murdered Bloomberg so we can lock up the thread. His answer about the sexual harassment NDAs was a disaster.
What would have been a good answer? If you unilaterally release people from NDAs you're just giving money away; that's a mug's game.
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What would have been a good answer? If you unilaterally release people from NDAs you're just giving money away; that's a mug's game.

Paying people to shut up about the bad things that he's done to them (Because he doesn't want the consequences of his own actions to affect him and believes he can buy his way out of actions that are not acceptable) is exactly the quality one wants in the leader of a country, don't you think?
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Is this him handling himself in a debate and effectively answering charges?

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I think he's toast. Very expensive toast. Not just avocado toast, but avocado and pheasant toast, monogrammed M.B. with gold sprinkles.
Good lord. He should have diverted some of his influencer budget to a debate coach. This is the most obvious line of attack he was open to in the debate, and it's like they didn't prepare a defense at all. He could have memorized a 90-second response (not peppered with "uhhh" every five words) which named some of those black clergy he spoke with, and turned it into a more inspirational story.

He had all the energy of Bill Lumberg trying to explain to the CEO how the n-word wound up printed in the cover of the new TPS report.
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Paying people to shut up about the bad things that you've done to them (Because he doesn't want the consequences of his own actions to affect him and believes he can buy his way out of actions that are not acceptable) is exactly the quality one wants in the leader of a country, don't you think?
Evasion noted.
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Evasion noted.

Oh, the actual answer is either:

"Sure, here they are" - if he's at all an honest man

or, closer to the truth, the answer should have been:

"****, I've not thought this through, no I won't release those women from the NDA, but I realise that having things lilke that to hide is not at all what the USA wants in a president and therefore I withdraw, sorry for wasting everybody's time"


The answer, "No, and anyway, they just didn't like my jokes" certainly isn't the right answer.


And as you're rather missing the point: The point of the question is not to obtain an answer but to highlight deficiencies in one's political opponents. If you think Warren asked the question because she wanted an answer or didn't know the answer, you're mistaken. The point of the exchange was the question not the answer.
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What would have been a good answer? If you unilaterally release people from NDAs you're just giving money away; that's a mug's game.
There is no good answer. He's been outed as a predatory creep who uses his vast fortune to insulate himself from consequences of his amoral actions. Caught red handed holding NDAs over a bunch of women he's victimized. That's the whole point.
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What would have been a good answer?
"On second thought, I'd be a terrible president. I'm gonna go fishing. You all have a great night."
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Old 20th February 2020, 06:25 AM   #354
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
There is no good answer. He's been outed as a predatory creep who uses his vast fortune to insulate himself from consequences of his amoral actions. Caught red handed holding NDAs over a bunch of women he's victimized. That's the whole point.
Bloomberg should've heeded Admiral Ackbar.

ETA: Seriously, though, I don't think he had any choice other than standing his ground on this. It's a lose-lose scenario but the knock-on effects of freeing several NDA signatories from their contractual obligations would surely bury him in the party of #metoo. (He'd have a better shot in the GOP, but it's too late for that now.)
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Old 20th February 2020, 06:29 AM   #355
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It's like asking, "What's the right move if you jump out of an airplane without a parachute?"

The right move is not getting into that situation in the first place.
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Old 20th February 2020, 06:31 AM   #356
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Bloomberg's best move is to use his massive fortune to create an artificial island, pay enough people to move there, and declare himself god-king.
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Old 20th February 2020, 06:39 AM   #357
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Originally Posted by 3point14 View Post
Paying people to shut up about the bad things that he's done to them (Because he doesn't want the consequences of his own actions to affect him and believes he can buy his way out of actions that are not acceptable) is exactly the quality one wants in the leader of a country, don't you think?
Like it or not, there are believable instances wherein false allegations are made against wealthy people in the hopes of gaining an advantage.
It is also understandable how it might be less costly to an individual targeted by such an allegation to make a quiet settlement with the accuser.

I am not automatically put-off by the existence of such an arrangement. Although, admittedly, it would be better if there were none, since doubt could be removed.

I think my viewpoint is widely held.
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Old 20th February 2020, 06:40 AM   #358
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I'd like it to be down to likability and policies without the required wealth check first.
He entered the race the second Sanders and Warren said the words "wealth tax." All the money he's spent in the race so far is still a fraction of what their plans would cost him every year. This is an investment to him.

Since his very presence at this debate is due to his wealth, not likability or policies, I'd say his wealth is fair game for criticism.
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Old 20th February 2020, 06:46 AM   #359
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Evasion noted.
yours noted as well
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Bloomberg's best move is to use his massive fortune to create an artificial island, pay enough people to move there, and declare himself god-king.
And definitely make sure not to kill yourself when in jail
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