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Old 23rd February 2020, 09:43 PM   #281
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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans View Post
So you agree that Trump is an illegitimate candidate?

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No, I don't think Trump is an illegitimate candidate. I don't think Comrade Bernie is either. I do think the "Intelligence" officials who connected the Russians to Bernie are trying to take him down just like they tried to take Trump down, for the same reason -- they think Bernie is a threat to them. Like Trump, he's a maverick (and a socialist), so they want someone else who will be happy to go along to get along. But, unless Bernie hits the convention with 50%+, the Democrats will probably get rid of him themselves.
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Old 23rd February 2020, 09:53 PM   #282
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Originally Posted by 383LQ4SS View Post
As someone who is just right of center with a splash of libertarian and did NOT vote for Trump last election for obvious reasons...if its Sanders VS Trump...I doubt ill go with with Sanders.

I would probably vote for Pete
I would have voted for Yang
If Obama could run again I would vote Obama

Just saying
As a hardcore deontological libertarian, I'm more likely to vote for Sanders than any other democrat. Part of being an ideologue is having more respect for ideologues (even if the wrong ideology) than wishy washy partisans.
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Old 23rd February 2020, 10:30 PM   #283
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Originally Posted by Cain View Post
Sanders has said that Fox News treats him more fairly than MSNBC. Well, just wait until the general election...
No one in this thread sincerely believes you (except me).
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Old 23rd February 2020, 10:34 PM   #284
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Originally Posted by Cabbage View Post
Absolutely! Believe it or not, many people do have the audacity to disagree with you, you know.
Obviously people disagree with me. When have I ever suggested they didn't?

But "most admired"?

No, just no.
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Old 23rd February 2020, 10:38 PM   #285
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Because the last 20 years has been an arms race of who can be the most pedantic about whether you have 4 fingers and a thumb or 5 fingers and about how many legs does a dog have if you call a tail a leg and "It's not Champagne, It's Sparking Wine" and so forth and such on and etc.

If we can never be clear/precise enough to appease the pedants with our categorization, we just shouldn't use them. Just refer directly to the context/meaning and cut their ability to stall and troll out from under them.

You've played the game as long as I have. You know damn well no matter how well you word it, how precise you are if you say "X is Y therefore Z" someone, someone will within a metaphysical certainty stop the conversation to argue about with X is Y even if they don't disagree with the core "X therefore Z" argument being made.

You know as well as I do that the world is full of people who, if you walk up to them asking for help because you're dying because a poisonous snake just bit you, will argue that no that's not possible because poisonous means its toxic if you eat, what you really mean is you were bitten by a venomous snake and now it's too late because you're already dead.

So if "X is category Y therefore conclusion Z" will always attract the pedants, just drop it and phrase it as "X therefore conclusion Z." It's the same meaning it just skips over the part that always triggers that subset of humanity that is incapable of not spotting a technicality but totally incapable of realizing it doesn't matter and nobody cares.
Translation: rational discourse belongs in the dustbin.
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Old 23rd February 2020, 10:44 PM   #286
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Obviously people disagree with me. When have I ever suggested they didn't?

You're doing it right now.....

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But "most admired"?

No, just no.

...by letting your bias affect your perception, as demonstrated in the above comment.
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Marianne Williamson endorses Bernie Sanders. (I guess Andrew Yang might be next.)

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Her speech is free from new-age crap - apparently inspired by Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream speech and maybe Obama's Yes We Can slogan.
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Old 24th February 2020, 01:40 AM   #288
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Admired?

Why the ?

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A new poll found that among all other notable American senators, representatives, and even the president, Bernie Sanders reigns supreme as the most popular politician in the nation, the Hill reports.
The Harvard-Harris Poll—an online survey conducted from August 17 to 22—culled responses from 2,263 voters who lean both left and right, along with those who identify as nonpartisan. It asked about their feelings on the Democratic and Republican parties, the biggest political moments of the past few weeks, and what issues matter most to them. It also quizzed them on America's politicians, asking how favorably or unfavorably they viewed certain lawmakers.
Bernie Sanders Is the Most Popular Politician in America, Poll Says - The Vermont senator is the only national politician a majority of voters actually like, according to a new poll. (Vice, Aug. 24, 2017)

Do you have reason to believe that he has become less admired since 2017?
Are you even the slightest bit interested in a candidate that can beat Trump?
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Old 24th February 2020, 05:01 AM   #289
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So, we all agree Comrade Bernie is an illegitimate candidate because Putin's meddling has pushed him to the top, or does that only work if the candidate is Republican? (Yes, I know there is no evidence, but Comrade Bernie is on tape praising the USSR, and Democrats have said over and over that Trump is an illegitimate POTUS because of Russian meddling.) Oh, it also makes Comrade Bernie a Russian operative, according to Democrats, who wrote the book on this.
The illegitimacy comes from the multiple efforts to gain the assistance of the Russian government.
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Old 24th February 2020, 06:07 AM   #290
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
lol, the Russians help Trump in 2016, Russians helping the soon to be Dem nominee out helps Trump in 2020.


How convenient.


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Old 24th February 2020, 07:19 AM   #291
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I can tolerate everyone's misuse of terminology and misunderstanding of history but please do let's get a grip on capitalization! Lowercase for all terms unless it's a proper name! A republic, democracy, liberal, conservative, upholstery. The Republican Party, a Democrat Democratic governor, Romania.

Fixed it for you.

I can tolerate everyone's misuse of terminology and misunderstanding of history but please do let's get a grip on proper adjectival forms. A person who is a Democrat (noun) is a member of the Democratic Party (adjective). A governor may be a Democrat (noun), in which case they are a Democratic governor (adjective).

(And, to return to your point about capitalization, both Republicans and Democrats are capable of being democratic governors or undemocratic governors. As you correctly noted, proper capitalization is important; improper capitalization can significantly change the meaning of what's written.)

Because there are favorable connotations to the word democratic, some conservatives many years ago began deliberately using the incorrect adjectival form Democrat when referring to the Democratic Party, and the misuse became common enough that nowadays even people who aren't trying to use the wrong word often do. But the correct name is Democratic Party, and people who call it the Democrat Party are as wrong as people who use it's and who's as possessive pronouns.





Isn't it time the Membership Agreement was updated to make these kinds of grammatical errors yellow card offenses?
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Old 24th February 2020, 07:27 AM   #292
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Originally Posted by Nova Land View Post
Fixed it for you.

I can tolerate everyone's misuse of terminology and misunderstanding of history but please do let's get a grip on proper adjectival forms. A person who is a Democrat (noun) is a member of the Democratic Party (adjective). A governor may be a Democrat (noun), in which case they are a Democratic governor (adjective).

(And, to return to your point about capitalization, both Republicans and Democrats are capable of being democratic governors or undemocratic governors. As you correctly noted, proper capitalization is important; improper capitalization can significantly change the meaning of what's written.)

Because there are favorable connotations to the word democratic, some conservatives many years ago began deliberately using the incorrect adjectival form Democrat when referring to the Democratic Party, and the misuse became common enough that nowadays even people who aren't trying to use the wrong word often do. But the correct name is Democratic Party, and people who call it the Democrat Party are as wrong as people who use it's and who's as possessive pronouns.





Isn't it time the Membership Agreement was updated to make these kinds of grammatical errors yellow card offenses?
"A Democrat governor" is perfectly acceptable. That usage is entirely different from mistaking the name of the party itself. One may certainly use "Democrat" as an adjective. When part of the party's name it's half of a noun.

And certainly not, perceived "grammatical errors" should certainly not be "offenses"; no should any other innocuous usage someone's diseased imagination perceives as insulting.
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Old 24th February 2020, 07:35 AM   #293
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I miss the days when the biggest political scandal we had going was "pronounces it 'Democrat.' "
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"A Democrat governor" is perfectly acceptable.

No, it's not. Perfectly means 100%. The misuse of Democrat this way is acceptable to the conservatives who began doing it as a way to irritate Democrats. It is acceptable to many people who have heard the word misused this way so often they don't realize it's incorrect. But it is not acceptable to many people who care about grammar, nor is it acceptable to many people in the Democratic Party who have repeatedly objected to this incorrect usage.


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Representative Jack F. Kemp, Republican of upstate New York, placed himself in an unusual position today. He defended Democrats before the Republican platform committee.

When a delegate asked unanimous consent to change a platform amendment to read the ''Democrat Party'' instead of ''Democratic Party,'' Mr. Kemp objected, saying that would be ''an insult to our Democratic friends.'' The committee later decided to drop the issue because it lacked unanimous support.

The term ''Democrat Party'' has been used in recent years by some right-wing Republicans on the ground that the term used by Democrats implies that they are the only true adherents of democracy.

Democrats in the House objected so loudly to the terminology several years ago that the House Republican leadership, including Mr. Kemp, openly called on Republicans to say ''Democratic'' to avoid needless rancor between the two parties.

So please, in the future, be more careful in how you use words like perfectly. If you had said "partially acceptable" or "acceptable to those who don't know better" I wouldn't need to be posting this additional comment which is unrelated to the actual thread topic, but perfectly is a fine word and it's painful to see you misusing it this way.
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
When out of comprehension, use sarcasm.

Forgive him. He must have run out of his usual laughing dogs ...
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No, it's not. Perfectly means 100%. The misuse of Democrat this way is acceptable to the conservatives who began doing it as a way to irritate Democrats. It is acceptable to many people who have heard the word misused this way so often they don't realize it's incorrect. But it is not acceptable to many people who care about grammar, nor is it acceptable to many people in the Democratic Party who have repeatedly objected to this incorrect usage.


From the New York Times, August 17, 1984:



So please, in the future, be more careful in how you use words like perfectly. If you had said "partially acceptable" or "acceptable to those who don't know better" I wouldn't need to be posting this additional comment which is unrelated to the actual thread topic, but perfectly is a fine word and it's painful to see you misusing it this way.
I understand perfectly, and will definitely not employ that word, or any others, exactly as I see fit, irregardless of whether you order me not to. Its another perfect example of the Democrat Party in action, and I could care less.
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It's not our goddamn fault that the two biggest political parties in American choose names for themselves that represent broad political ideals/structures.

Don't like it; don't call yourself a common word so there's no confusion.

It's like the abortion debate up and deciding it just owns the words "life" and "choice" for its teams.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
It's not our goddamn fault that the two biggest political parties in American choose names for themselves that represent broad political ideals/structures.

Don't like it; don't call yourself a common word so there's no confusion.

It's like the abortion debate up and deciding it just owns the words "life" and "choice" for its teams.
And it leads to confusion later. Young people see 80s music videos and have to have it explained that "Choose Life" was for a time an anti-drug message, not an anti-abortion one.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
It's not our goddamn fault that the two biggest political parties in American choose names for themselves that represent broad political ideals/structures.

Don't like it; don't call yourself a common word so there's no confusion.

It's like the abortion debate up and deciding it just owns the words "life" and "choice" for its teams.
Actually, it is not.
"Life" and "Choice" are not names.

The name of the Democratic Party is a name. Intentionally calling it by a different name (especially a name with derogatory roots) is not the same thing as arguing the semantics of the meaning of a word.
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Personally, I think there is good reason why Russia is backing this guy, and it ain't because he's DemSoc.

https://twitter.com/McFaul/status/1230973734397214721

Have you seen actual proof that Putin is backing Bernie Sanders? What makes you think that the Russiagate narrative is true?

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Many in this establishment are behaving, in my view, as they face the prospect of a Bernie Sanders nomination, like out of touch aristocrats in a dying aristocracy, just sort of, ‘How do we stop this? How do we block this?’ And there is no curiosity: ‘Why is this happening? What is going on in the lives of my fellow citizens in this country that they may be voting for something that I find so hard to understand? What is happening? What is happening?’

This is a moment for curiosity in America. I think about this network (MSNBC), which I love, which you love, and I think we have to look within also: Why is a lobbyist for Über and Mark Zuckerberg on the air many nights, explaining a political revolution to us? Why is Chris Matthews on this air, talking about the victory of Bernie Sanders, who had kin murdered in the Holocaust, and analogizing it to the Nazi conquest of France? The people who are stuck in an old way of thinking, in 20th century frameworks, in Gulag thinking, are missing what is going on, and it is time for all of us to rethink and understand the dawn of what may be, frankly, a new era of American life.
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I do think that this nomination is Bernie's to lose.

However, I don't think it's helpful that he started to address his audiences with "Comrades!".
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I speculated about a month ago here that the Russians might try to help Sanders just to mess with our heads and delegitimize the election results once again. But if it's part of a larger scheme to make Trump look good once again that will be pretty remarkable.
Why exactly is it 'remarkable'?
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I've always thought they'd be okay with a President Sanders, someone who isn't interventionist and does not have the baggage Hillary Clinton and now Trump has.
While neither Trump nor Sanders is interventionalist, Sanders would be much better at maintaining relationships with allies. He wouldn't cut American foreign aid (which gives the U.S. influence in much of the 3rd world). He wouldn't work to undermine NATO, nor would he undermine American security (and thus hurt intelligence sharing agreements) by deferring to Russia.

Simply put, Trump hurts America, and that makes the Russians stronger by comparison.

So given a choice between the 2 of them, the Russians would greatly prefer Trump.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I do think that this nomination is Bernie's to lose.

However, I don't think it's helpful that he started to address his audiences with "Comrades!".
It probably doesn't help that he made some comments that were seen as pro-Castro. (Basically "his authoritarianism was wrong, but he improved literacy").

From: https://theweek.com/speedreads/89776...state-november
During a 60 Minutes interview Sunday evening on CBS, Sanders argued it was unfair to malign every aspect of Castro's regime, praising achievements like the country's literacy program...Sanders' comments were enough to cause a backlash in Florida, which is home to a large Cuban-American population.... Some Democratic lawmakers even went so far as to say that if Sanders is the Democratic nominee, it could hand Florida...to President Trump...

So, assuming Sanders becomes the nominee... its possible that they could lose Florida, even after the whole "felons can now vote" had given the Democrats an advantage in the state.
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Have you seen actual proof that Putin is backing Bernie Sanders?
I've read the Mueller report and related indictments, if that's what you're asking. The Internet Research Agency made it pretty clear whom they were supporting at the time, at least internally.

(Alas, the people responsible for these reports did not provide us with access to their primary sources.)
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I do think that this nomination is Bernie's to lose.

However, I don't think it's helpful that he started to address his audiences with "Comrades!".
Or his "FIdel Castro was a great guy" comments on 60 Minutes.That will go over great in the important swing state of Florida.
That is the problem: Can Bernie stop acting like the eternal 60's radical?O
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It probably doesn't help that he made some comments that were seen as pro-Castro. (Basically "his authoritarianism was wrong, but he improved literacy").

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During a 60 Minutes interview Sunday evening on CBS, Sanders argued it was unfair to malign every aspect of Castro's regime, praising achievements like the country's literacy program...Sanders' comments were enough to cause a backlash in Florida, which is home to a large Cuban-American population.... Some Democratic lawmakers even went so far as to say that if Sanders is the Democratic nominee, it could hand Florida...to President Trump...

So, assuming Sanders becomes the nominee... its possible that they could lose Florida, even after the whole "felons can now vote" had given the Democrats an advantage in the state.
Which is a sort of a left wing version of "But He Made The Trains Run On Time"....
If Bernie wants to win in November, he needs to appear more "mainstream", no matter what his supporters say. He keeps stuff like this up, he will hand reelection to Trump on a silver platter.
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Old 24th February 2020, 04:28 PM   #308
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I wish I could at least get the Bernie Bros to admit that things like his "Comrades" opening and his "Castro was not a bad guy" 60 minutes routine is something he has to cut out.
He is just handing the GOP free ammo with that.
He has to get that he needs to appeal to an audience beyond his "Progressive" base.
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Old 24th February 2020, 04:34 PM   #309
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I wish I could at least get the Bernie Bros to admit that things like his "Comrades" opening and his "Castro was not a bad guy" 60 minutes routine is something he has to cut out.
He is just handing the GOP free ammo with that.
He has to get that he needs to appeal to an audience beyond his "Progressive" base.
Who do you want to "admit" to what?
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Who do you want to "admit" to what?
That that kind of crap is not helping Bernie much outside his base and he needs to cut it out.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
That that kind of crap is not helping Bernie much outside his base and he needs to cut it out.
Yep! He definitely does not need to play up the stereotypes. Keep it reasonable and don’t use the hackneyed lefty rhetoric.

Minimum wage increases and universal healthcare are perfectly reasonable goals with a broad appeal. He asks, “is that so radical?” And I would say “No!”

But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain’t gonna be making it with anyone anyhow.
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Dudalb, are you suggesting that Bernie Sanders should try to win over the community of revanchist Cuban exiles in Miami, somehow? The guys carrying "Trump 2020" posters and banners from the "Hialeah Republican Club" even when they are protesting against a new Netflix movie about anti-Cuban terrorist organisations that Bernie Sanders had nothing whatsoever to do with? Do you expect Sanders to seek (or even want) a compromise with those guys? Why are you so bent on compromises with them?

You seem to forget that many people already consider Bernie Sanders the ultimate compromise:
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For some reason, alleged centrists tend to seek compromise exclusively with radical right-wing groups, which means that they can never oppose Trump and his base of fascist Republicans.

And why are you so obsessed with the term "comrades", dudalb? If you want to imply a Cuban-style way of addressing people, the word you're looking for is compañeros.
Sanders is already the favourite candidate of Latino voters: Sanders won big with Latinos in Nevada. The nation's largest minority group could reshape the Democratic race (CNN, Feb. 23, 2020)
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Bernie honeymooned in the Soviet Union. How many of his important life moments have revolved around people who hated Communist Cuba so much that they risked death to escape?
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(Alas, the people responsible for these reports did not provide us with access to their primary sources.)

And they've provided us with nothing whatsoever concerning 2020:
"Official may have overstated 2020 Russia interference, sources say":

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Bernie honeymooned in the Soviet Union. How many of his important life moments have revolved around people who hated Communist Cuba so much that they risked death to escape?

I have no idea, but at least one of his endorsers has spent some time in refugee camps:
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Most of the refugees were Latin Americans; I don't know if any of them were Cubans.
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I want to know what Bernie is going to do when Congress refuses to enact Medicare-for-All, free college, Green New Deal, guaranteed housing, guaranteed jobs?

he gonna threaten to shut down the government or default on the debt if he doesn't get his way?
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Yep! He definitely does not need to play up the stereotypes. Keep it reasonable and don’t use the hackneyed lefty rhetoric.

Minimum wage increases and universal healthcare are perfectly reasonable goals with a broad appeal. He asks, “is that so radical?” And I would say “No!”

But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain’t gonna be making it with anyone anyhow.
That is one of my problems with Sanders. He needs to shed the "Aging guy for whom it is forever 1968" vibe he has.
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I want to know what Bernie is going to do when Congress refuses to enact Medicare-for-All, free college, Green New Deal, guaranteed housing, guaranteed jobs?

he gonna threaten to shut down the government or default on the debt if he doesn't get his way?
According to Sanders, he will use the bully pulpit. He will expose them in a way their constituents are not usually aware of; naming names, pointing out who voted on what. He doubled down heavy on pressuring Jeff Bezos to implement a $15.00 wage minimum. And Bezos conceded. If he can get concessions from the most powerful CEO in the world, I bet he can flip a few congressmen.

I do not believe Sanders can enact everything he wants. I don't have that much faith in his movement.
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That is one of my problems with Sanders. He needs to shed the "Aging guy for whom it is forever 1968" vibe he has.
I agree. I think he should reinvent as "sassy Latina nurse" or "music industry douchebag" or "1980s Muscle Beach guy" or perhaps even "film noir femme fatale". Any of the stereotypes, actually, they're all good stuff, and would work wonders to make Sanders more interesting on camera.
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Originally Posted by Hercules56 View Post
I want to know what Bernie is going to do when Congress refuses to enact Medicare-for-All, free college, Green New Deal, guaranteed housing, guaranteed jobs?

he gonna threaten to shut down the government or default on the debt if he doesn't get his way?

Why? You voted for Trump and that's the way Trump handles things.
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