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Old 24th February 2020, 09:24 PM   #321
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Fidel Castro could own dozens of slaves, but the left would make excuses -- even using his birthday as an occasion to sell mattresses. "Never mind the human trafficking. Fidel stood up in a boat and defeated the British."
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Old 24th February 2020, 09:44 PM   #322
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According to Sanders, he will use the bully pulpit. He will expose them in a way their constituents are not usually aware of; naming names, pointing out who voted on what. He doubled down heavy on pressuring Jeff Bezos to implement a $15.00 wage minimum. And Bezos conceded. If he can get concessions from the most powerful CEO in the world, I bet he can flip a few congressmen.

I do not believe Sanders can enact everything he wants. I don't have that much faith in his movement.
I don't support bullies.
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Old 24th February 2020, 10:04 PM   #323
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One thing that comes to mind is the effect of the Cult of Celebrity which Trump thrives on.

Although Bernie doesn't appear to court this, he does have a certain something about him that's likable, and perhaps that maybe enough just now. The others seem more like the old order that Trumpism likes to devour and although Bernie is kinda left wing, his policies SHOULD be attractive to the young, poor and minorities.
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Old 24th February 2020, 10:06 PM   #324
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Dudalb, are you suggesting that Bernie Sanders should try to win over the community of revanchist Cuban exiles in Miami, somehow? The guys carrying "Trump 2020" posters and banners from the "Hialeah Republican Club" even when they are protesting against a new Netflix movie about anti-Cuban terrorist organisations that Bernie Sanders had nothing whatsoever to do with? Do you expect Sanders to seek (or even want) a compromise with those guys? Why are you so bent on compromises with them?

You seem to forget that many people already consider Bernie Sanders the ultimate compromise:
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For some reason, alleged centrists tend to seek compromise exclusively with radical right-wing groups, which means that they can never oppose Trump and his base of fascist Republicans.

And why are you so obsessed with the term "comrades", dudalb? If you want to imply a Cuban-style way of addressing people, the word you're looking for is compaņeros.
Sanders is already the favourite candidate of Latino voters: Sanders won big with Latinos in Nevada. The nation's largest minority group could reshape the Democratic race (CNN, Feb. 23, 2020)
Well in a way, yes. I'm not meaning that he needs to win them over to get them to vote for him, but he does need to figure out a way to represent them, otherwise he just becomes another Trump who is only willing to represent and only cares about those Americans who voted for him rather then being a President for all Americans.
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Old 24th February 2020, 10:15 PM   #325
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I want to know what Bernie is going to do when Congress refuses to enact Medicare-for-All, free college, Green New Deal, guaranteed housing, guaranteed jobs?

he gonna threaten to shut down the government or default on the debt if he doesn't get his way?
I have never, ever understood America's intransigence and loathing for free for all health care. I would think the vast majority of people living in the states would benefit from it.

I was listening to an in the street interview of people in the UK who were asked to guess how much certain medical procedures cost in the USA. I haven't looked it up but apparently giving birth in a hospital, even with health care can cost $10,000. It could cost up to $30000 without health care. They also reported on how some hospitals were charging extra for the mum to have skin on skin contact immediately after birth - extras.

Two reasons I never wanted to live in the USA - Guns and Healthcare. It seems like so many Americans are so ignorant/insular regarding normal ways of living in other countries. Sometimes I think they can't conceive that there's anywhere better to live than the USA. But it's just not true. I think politicians like Bernie see this and understand this.

Trump on the other hand is a completely different kettle of fish. He doesn't care at all. I don't think he has any doctrinal or principled bone in his body For him it's all about greed, power, wealth and a thin veneer of externally facing bravado, lies and leadership required to get what he wants. He focuses on non thinking people who are easy to manipulate and tells them what they want to hear.

The art of the deal is about getting what you want at the expense of everyone else involved. It's about selling and ignoring if whats being sold is actually good for those who are buying it.
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Old 24th February 2020, 10:30 PM   #326
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Well in a way, yes. I'm not meaning that he needs to win them over to get them to vote for him, but he does need to figure out a way to represent them, otherwise he just becomes another Trump who is only willing to represent and only cares about those Americans who voted for him rather then being a President for all Americans.
As an aside, I think the NZ police are excellent, at least from what I've seen in Police 10/7.

Hope you don't burst my bubble.
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Old 24th February 2020, 10:35 PM   #327
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As an aside, I think the NZ police are excellent, at least from what I've seen in Police 10/7.

Hope you don't burst my bubble.
They are generally pretty good, there are some issues and have been, and likely still are, some bad apples that ruin it for everyone else, but on the whole I think they are decent men and women who are there to help people out on their darkest day.
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Old 25th February 2020, 02:23 AM   #328
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Yep! He definitely does not need to play up the stereotypes. Keep it reasonable and don’t use the hackneyed lefty rhetoric.

Minimum wage increases and universal healthcare are perfectly reasonable goals with a broad appeal. He asks, “is that so radical?” And I would say “No!”

But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain’t gonna be making it with anyone anyhow.

Does he actually "go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao"? I hear Venezuela, Cuba, now China, apparently, and dudalb and the prestige love references to the USSR, even though Sander's been making it clear in a number of speeches that Bernie Sanders' American Dream is in Denmark (CNN, Feb. 17, 2016).
Get used to it! We have! (More or less; I can think of many things that need to be improved!) And I don't see any Danes risking their lives trying to escape to the alleged land of the free from the awful socialist oppression around here:

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"I think we should look to countries like Denmark, like Sweden and Norway," Sanders said, "and learn what they have accomplished for their working people."
"In Denmark, there is a very different understanding of what "freedom" means... they have gone a long way to ending the enormous anxieties that comes with economic insecurity."

On the contrary, many Americans seem to like it here, and many more would probably like to escape to Denmark from the awful conditions of their country if they were allowed to do so: MOVING TO DENMARK, A GUIDE FOR AMERICANS FLEEING PRESIDENT TRUMP (howtoliveindenmark.com)

But for some reason known only to themselves (but not difficult to guess), 'moderates' like dudalb resort to Trump, GOP and Fox propaganda whenever they are confronted with somebody who doesn't pander to the U.S. oligarchs and try to make all opposition to them look like the devil incarnate.
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Old 25th February 2020, 02:27 AM   #329
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Originally Posted by Cain View Post
"Never mind the human trafficking. Fidel stood up in a boat and defeated the British."

Yes, that's the one my Cuban compaņeros are particularly proud of!
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Old 25th February 2020, 02:32 AM   #330
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
I agree. I think he should reinvent as "sassy Latina nurse" or "music industry douchebag" or "1980s Muscle Beach guy" or perhaps even "film noir femme fatale". Any of the stereotypes, actually, they're all good stuff, and would work wonders to make Sanders more interesting on camera.

I'm with you on that one, except for "1980s Muscle Beach guy", which has been done to death.
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Old 25th February 2020, 02:37 AM   #331
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I have never, ever understood America's intransigence and loathing for free for all health care. I would think the vast majority of people living in the states would benefit from it.

They would, and they know it. America's intransigence and loathing for free-for-all health care isn't shared by the majority of Americans. That's American democracy, that's the land of the free and the brave.
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Old 25th February 2020, 02:59 AM   #332
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Are Centrals Americans white?
I dunno. Define "white".

And why does it matter?

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Old 25th February 2020, 04:42 AM   #333
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Does he actually "go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao"? I hear Venezuela, Cuba, now China, apparently, and dudalb and the prestige love references to the USSR, even though Sander's been making it clear in a number of speeches that Bernie Sanders' American Dream is in Denmark (CNN, Feb. 17, 2016).
Get used to it! We have! (More or less; I can think of many things that need to be improved!) And I don't see any Danes risking their lives trying to escape to the alleged land of the free from the awful socialist oppression around here:




On the contrary, many Americans seem to like it here, and many more would probably like to escape to Denmark from the awful conditions of their country if they were allowed to do so: MOVING TO DENMARK, A GUIDE FOR AMERICANS FLEEING PRESIDENT TRUMP (howtoliveindenmark.com)

But for some reason known only to themselves (but not difficult to guess), 'moderates' like dudalb resort to Trump, GOP and Fox propaganda whenever they are confronted with somebody who doesn't pander to the U.S. oligarchs and try to make all opposition to them look like the devil incarnate.
No, it was a Beatles reference.

Yes, I agree he should keep on with the comparisons to Denmark.

If he starts going down the road of comparing his plans to those that exist in Cuba then it would be a mistake.

The GOP will obviously pull out any chance they can for him to say nice things about Cuba, Venezuela, China, Vietnam... etc....

He just must not take the bait; even when asked to say true things about the places.
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Old 25th February 2020, 05:07 AM   #334
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I've seen him mention the Cuban literacy campaign. It should be mentioned much more!
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They are generally pretty good, there are some issues and have been, and likely still are, some bad apples that ruin it for everyone else, but on the whole I think they are decent men and women who are there to help people out on their darkest day.
We've seen Outrageous Fortune, and how awful NZ cops were to poor Pascalle!
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I've seen him mention the Cuban literacy campaign. It should be mentioned much more!
Literacy turns people Atheist.
Better follow the Republican Program and abolish higher education altogether.
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Does he actually "go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao"? I hear Venezuela, Cuba, now China, apparently, and dudalb and the prestige love references to the USSR, even though Sander's been making it clear in a number of speeches that Bernie Sanders' American Dream is in Denmark (CNN, Feb. 17, 2016).
Get used to it! We have! (More or less; I can think of many things that need to be improved!) And I don't see any Danes risking their lives trying to escape to the alleged land of the free from the awful socialist oppression around here:




On the contrary, many Americans seem to like it here, and many more would probably like to escape to Denmark from the awful conditions of their country if they were allowed to do so: MOVING TO DENMARK, A GUIDE FOR AMERICANS FLEEING PRESIDENT TRUMP (howtoliveindenmark.com)

But for some reason known only to themselves (but not difficult to guess), 'moderates' like dudalb resort to Trump, GOP and Fox propaganda whenever they are confronted with somebody who doesn't pander to the U.S. oligarchs and try to make all opposition to them look like the devil incarnate.
I would go so far as to wager that you would guess wrong.
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Given the racism prevalent in Denmark, Republicans should be all for Sanders attempting to emulate the country.
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Literacy turns people Atheist.

Not in and of itself, it doesn't! Do you really think that all those Christian pamphlets are meant to be read by atheists?
If you don't improve people's living conditions, being able to read doesn't help people shed their need for religion. However, after the revolution and until the early 1990s when living conditions in Cuba deteriorated considerably, religion wasn't doing particularly well in Cuba. After that, it surged.

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Republicans aren't trying to prevent people from learning to read!

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Given the racism prevalent in Denmark, Republicans should be all for Sanders attempting to emulate the country.

There is too much racism in Denmark (any racism is too much!), but not in comparison to the USA - in spite of what Wikipedia (and YouGov) says: Racism in Europe: Denmark (Consider the example used in the Wiki article!)
Anyway, that's not one of the things that I've heard Bernie Sanders or his followers say that they would like to emulate.
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I would go so far as to wager that you would guess wrong.

Guess wrong about what exactly? Face it, moderate and even conservative Democrats vote for Sanders.
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As I mentioned in another thread: The controversy at that interview really shows the idiocy and binary mentality of people. Bernie clearly stated that the Cuba regime has done horrendous things, while making the point "You couldn't say that everything about it is bad", and then points out to education as an example. The whole point Bernie is making is: You can look at other countries, even countries with horrible systems of governments, and find some good things that you can model to try to inspire a similar system in your own system government.

But no, people hear that and they say "Bernie is a communist who wants to turn the US into another Cuba"

With that level of idiocy in the people, I'm not amazed that Trump got elected as President.
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Guess wrong about what exactly? Face it, moderate and even conservative Democrats vote for Sanders.
Yeah but nobody from the other side is going to come to our side.

Moderate and conservative Democrats were already going to vote for whoever the Democratic nominee was. That's why they are Democrats. They are already, by definition, on your side.

Which is problem because... we lost the last election. Everybody remembers that right? You all haven't slipped into some alternative dimension where Sanders is the incumbent right?

Protecting the eggs that are already in your basket isn't enough when all the eggs in the basket weren't enough to win you the last election.

But no the narrative from the Democrats and especially the Bernie Bros has been nothing but "Whatever you do, don't try to reach out to other groups and get them on ours side because the eggs in our basket are so skittish they might all bolt."

It's how "Centrist" (da da dum, lightning strike, scare chord on the piano) has become their go-to boogeyman. But there's no more defeatist attitude in politics then "Whatever you do, don't try to appeal to the most people."

We lost 2016 because enough people in America thought the socialist takeover of America had started because the black guy tried to give them health care. Maybe, just maybe, leaning even harder into that narrative isn't a great plan.
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No, it was a Beatles reference.

Yes, I agree he should keep on with the comparisons to Denmark.

If he starts going down the road of comparing his plans to those that exist in Cuba then it would be a mistake.

The GOP will obviously pull out any chance they can for him to say nice things about Cuba, Venezuela, China, Vietnam... etc....

He just must not take the bait; even when asked to say true things about the places.
Yeah, you do make a good point: These questions are baited to get him to say something, even remotely nice about these countries, so that then they can say "Aha!! See??? He likes Cuba and Venezuela! He's a communist!"

Bernie should find a clever way to at least point that fallacy out before answering any question about these countries. So next time someone says something like "Can you say anything positive about Soviet Russia?", before Bernie says "Well.... I guess they had good Vodka", he should think about his words very carefully, because he's being set up.
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For over a hundred years the US has tried to make Cuba part of its dominion.
It's a technicality if the US becomes the dominion of Cuba instead: the end result is the same.
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As I mentioned in another thread: The controversy at that interview really shows the idiocy and binary mentality of people. Bernie clearly stated that the Cuba regime has done horrendous things, while making the point "You couldn't say that everything about it is bad", and then points out to education as an example. The whole point Bernie is making is: You can look at other countries, even countries with horrible systems of governments, and find some good things that you can model to try to inspire a similar system in your own system government.

But no, people hear that and they say "Bernie is a communist who wants to turn the US into another Cuba"

With that level of idiocy in the people, I'm not amazed that Trump got elected as President.
Nobody doesn't get that.

The thing is unless you've got some "Airtight plan to stop idiots from voting" ready to implement in the next 251 days it's gonna have the same effect.

Again I get that for a lot of people a "Well we lost but everyone on the other side is an idiot" moral victory is enough for them, but it's not for me.
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Old 25th February 2020, 07:46 AM   #346
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Nobody doesn't get that.

The thing is unless you've got some "Airtight plan to stop idiots from voting" ready to implement in the next 251 days it's gonna have the same effect.

Again I get that for a lot of people a "Well we lost but everyone on the other side is an idiot" moral victory is enough for them, but it's not for me.
What do you propose the Democrats do in order to - in your view - have a better chance of beating Trump?

Do you think the Democrats ought to simply stop the primaries and pick a candidate? I happen to think that's how it should be done, but I don't think it's possible in the US system. I also think a lot of voters would take umbrage with their primary votes getting ignored.
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What do you propose the Democrats do in order to - in your view - have a better chance of beating Trump?

Do you think the Democrats ought to simply stop the primaries and pick a candidate? I happen to think that's how it should be done, but I don't think it's possible in the US system. I also think a lot of voters would take umbrage with their primary votes getting ignored.
Stop casting votes for Sanders in the primaries!
That is what I advise.
He is a candidate who will likely lose the same States Clinton lost, and possibly some of the States she won, regardless of how hard we push for him.
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Old 25th February 2020, 07:52 AM   #348
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Stop casting votes for Sanders in the primaries!
That is what I advise.
He is a candidate who will likely lose the same States Clinton lost, and possibly some of the States she won, regardless of how hard we push for him.
Well, since that's not going to happen - partly because the Democratic party can't control the actions of primary voters, and it appears more Democratic primary voters want Bernie than anyone else - what else should be done?
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No. I'm not doing it

Sanders is a perfect candidate with wide appeal, the Democrats are a well oiled political machine that aren't running around like chickens with their heads cut off, and a massive wave of invisible, undetectable 18 year old voters are going to appear like the climax of Avengers: Endgame in all the dead rustbelt and blue wall states and vote Trump out of office. So it has been decreed, so it is the truth.
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Well, since that's not going to happen - partly because the Democratic party can't control the actions of primary voters, and it appears more Democratic primary voters want Bernie than anyone else - what else should be done?
Sanders has the largest single group of supporters at this time, that is hardly the same thing as "more voters wanting him , rather than anyone else", but I will accept that point for the time being.


In answer to your query: Obviously, the next most likely thing to get us the White House- Thoughts and prayers.
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No. I'm not doing it

Sanders is a perfect candidate with wide appeal, the Democrats are a well oiled political machine that aren't running around like chickens with their heads cut off, and a massive wave of invisible, undetectable 18 year old voters are going to appear like the climax of Avengers: Endgame in all the dead rustbelt and blue wall states and vote Trump out of office. So it has been decreed, so it is the truth.
What?

I don't know if Sanders is a perfect candidate. He's the candidate with the most delegates thus far. Not sure I would describe the Democratic party as a well oiled machine, but I suppose that's hard with as big a tent as they are determined to have. There's certainly going to be a lot of new 18 year old voters that didn't vote last time, simply by virtue of them coming off age.

I don't understand your frustration? What should the Democratic party do to win your acceptance?
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I've seen him mention the Cuban literacy campaign. It should be mentioned much more!
No, it should not. Certainly Sanders does not need to start talking about the Cuban this or that. To do so would be electoral suicide.

Something can simultaneously be true and also stupid to say, depending on the context.

When your election requires not being deliberately quotemined and intentionally misinterpreted, you don't do what, say, John Oliver did and say, "We can all admire Hitler for one, and only one thing. He killed Hitler! Many people talked about it, but only he did it and for that we can say, Way to go Hitler!"

If you are in a position where having that ripped from context and looped on FOX News would make a difference to your career, you shouldn't do it.

So don't say, "Way to go Cuba!" about anything. Anyyyyyyy thing!
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Well, obviously, the next most likely thing to get us the White House.

Thoughts and prayers.
And until (and if) they win, you will keep whining? Will you at least vote in November?
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And until (and if) they win, you will keep whining? Will you at least vote in November?
I'm sorry I'll be good. I've accepted Bernie Sanders as my personal Lord and Savior. You'll have no more dissent from me.
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And until (and if) they win, you will keep whining? Will you at least vote in November?
Urging other Democrats to vote in our Party's interest is "whining"? Got it.

Again, in answer to your query: Unlike an alarmingly large percentage of Sanders supporters, I will vote against Trump no matter who we run.

Voted for Clinton in 2016 too.

Likely to have the same effect this time.
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I'm sorry I'll be good. I've accepted Bernie Sanders as my personal Lord and Savior. You'll have no more dissent from me.
You don't have to go that far. All you need to do - for the sake of the US as well as the rest of the world - is to vote blue, not matter who.
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Unlike an alarmingly large percentage of Sanders supporters, I will vote against Trump no matter who we run.
I do love how we're expected to stop over and over to re-affirm our loyalty to the "Orange Man Bad" side when it's Sanders supporters who have the "If we don't win we're taking our ball and going home" mentality according to the polls.
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I do love how we're expected to stop over and over to re-affirm our loyalty to the "Orange Man Bad" side when it's Sanders supporters who have the "If we don't win we're taking our ball and going home" mentality according to the polls.
Maybe cut down on the barbed comments directed at fellow non-Trump voters too, yeah?

This should be the easiest election in any US citizen's life. Just vote for the Democratic nominee.
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You don't have to go that far. All you need to do - for the sake of the US as well as the rest of the world - is to vote blue, not matter who.
Again save it. The Bernie Bros are the "My candidate or nobody" crowd, not me.

I'm sick of saying it over and over. If the Dems nominate the rotting corpse of Franklin Roosevelt and run the campaign "Weekend at Bernies (no pun)" style I'll vote for the corpse.

Again ask the same question of the Bernie Bros and leave me out of it.
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Again save it. The Bernie Bros are the "My candidate or nobody" crowd, not me.

I'm sick of saying it over and over. If the Dems nominate the rotting corpse of Franklin Roosevelt and run the campaign "Weekend at Bernies (no pun)" style I'll vote for the corpse.

Again ask the same question of the Bernie Bros and leave me out of it.
Don't see any of them in this thread. I'll be sure to tell them if I see them.
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