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Old 1st March 2020, 03:48 PM   #1
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The Fake News Era

I'm placing this in the USA Politics subforum -- I don't think of this as a 'current event' or a 'social issue,' this is political -- and it's the proliferation of biased or slanted reporting. What I see mostly comes from the right.

Example - There's a local web-based news media named Daily Voice in the New York Metropolitan Area. I have noticed over time -- I get one of the editions in my email -- that they often seem to tailor stories to appeal to a right-wing audience. While I wouldn't describe the Voice as being right wing, they do seem to pander to right wing biases although it's probably just to gain traffic to their site. As a for instance, whenever they have a story about Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, they almost always describe her as, "the Yorktown High school graduate." Example:
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Freshman Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is getting her very own action figure. A kickstart fundraising campaign that was started on Tuesday, Oct. 15, by FCTRY - which launched a series of political action figures - quickly earned enough money to allow the company to add the 2007 Yorktown High School graduate to their collection. Link
They never let up on reminding people, AOC claimed to be a Bronx girl though she grew up in suburban Yorktown. Ocasio-Cortez has strong ties to the Bronx but bashing her for being a suburban girl who tried to pass herself off as being from the Bronx is a standard right wing talking point.

Another frequent target is New York governor Andrew Cuomo. The Daily Voice publishes a never-ending series of stories that appeal to people who despise Andrew Cuomo. And with Trump badmouthing him, Cuomo has become a figure of contempt on the right. Today the Voice ran a story about New York's declining population which the wingers love to blame on Cuomo. Here's the first paragraph-
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The mass exodus of New Yorkers leaving the Empire State has reached a new fevered pitch, with nearly 80,000 choosing to move out to cheaper pastures, according to a new study. Link
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Gov. Fredo's brother New York has been losing residents because of high taxes and expenses way before the SALT Tax. If you are so concerned try doing something about the high taxes instead of blaming others. Keep spending are[sic] hard earned money on illegals and litigation for sanctuary status. How's that bail reform doing for your dismal popularity to NYers.
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Not to mention Cuomo's "fix" for the disaster that is Medicaid in this state placing more of the funding burden on counties. NY State's absurdly lavish mandated array of Medicaid benefits is to blame. Not that Cuomo or the morons in the legislature would ever think to address the real issue. Too many Dem votes at stake....
Notice these two readers don't waste any space explaining that they blame the drop on Cuomo, they just go right on the attack. They obviously presume their fellow wingers know what this is an opportunity to dump on Cuomo.

Only wait a minute. The news story says the population dropped by 80,000 residents last year. In a state with a population of almost 20 million that's an 0.4% decline. An 0.4% decline is a mass exodus at a fevered pace? This stuff is so blatant it's insulting.
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TLDR: You found a right wing website?
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Mind you, the two examples above are pretty mild. But they're part of this steady drip-drip-drip of right wing propaganda and pandering that is really dividing the country. It's irresponsible journalism. And much of it seems to come from the right. And you have to hand it to them. They're completely shameless. The right defends this by attacking mainstream media. Now, with the White House leading the chorus, it's taken on a life of it's own.

Sites like Breitbart and Gateway Pundit can 'report' the most outrageous garbage but it's CNN and the New York Times that are getting slammed day after day.
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So your point is what, exactly?

You found a couple of pretty mild (your words) examples of reporting that you consider biased in a local web-based news site?
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There have always been newspapers and other publications that are biased either left or right to varying degrees. It's nothing new. The difference today is the unrelenting attacks by the POTUS aimed at discrediting any media that does not overtly and consistently support him. Any criticism or reporting that does not toe Trump's line is targeted as FAKE NEWS. This is extremely dangerous. We've seen it before: one of the first things an authoritarian regime does is control the media. Democracy cannot exist without a free press. Trump's attacks on the media should scare the crap out of anyone, Trump supporter or not. It's horrifying to see not just how many people are unconcerned about these attacks, but how many people actually support them.
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Before "fake news" was hot I just called them urban legends and misleading stories.
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I don't really agree that this is something we've seen before. A news organization calls a 0.4% percent drop in population a "mass exodus," I don't recall seeing that kind of partisanship before in news media. The shamelessness and hypocrisy are off-the-charts. Responsible people need to step up and begin speaking out.
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Old 1st March 2020, 05:21 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
I don't really agree that this is something we've seen before. A news organization calls a 0.4% percent drop in population a "mass exodus," I don't recall seeing that kind of partisanship before in news media. The shamelessness and hypocrisy are off-the-charts. Responsible people need to step up and begin speaking out.
Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it didn't exist. Partisanship in media is not new:

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At the time of the most important “election” in American history, the adoption of the Constitution, America was the place of a very biased media. Our Founders played hardball and did what they could to block publication of Anti-Federalists sentiments in newspapers. Indeed, in part because of their influence, if not the demands of Federalists, less than 16 percent of newspapers published Anti-Federalist, i.e. anti-Constitution, articles.

The Civil War-era media of the 1860s was far more overtly political than the newspapers of today, including numerous papers run by the parties or politicos. Many towns had a Republican newspaper and a Democratic newspaper. Such overtness was the norm.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...of-media-bias/

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In 1798, the Federalist Party in control of Congress passed the Alien and Sedition Acts designed to weaken the opposition press. It prohibited the publication of "false, scandalous, or malicious writing" against the government and made it a crime to voice any public opposition to any law or presidential act. This part of the law act was in effect until 1801.
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During the American civil rights movement, conservative newspapers strongly slanted their news about Civil Rights, blaming the unrest among Southern Blacks on communists.[17] In some cases, Southern television stations refused to air programs such as I Spy and Star Trek because of their racially mixed casts.[18] Newspapers supporting Civil rights, labor unions, and aspects of liberal social reform were often accused by conservative newspapers of communist bias.[
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I'm not condoning it by any means, but you are incorrect to think it hasn't happened before.
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If you're going way way back, I agree with you. In fact, I agree 100% which is why I find what's happening today all the more amazing. We're regressing!

Anyone familiar with "Network Propaganda: Manipulation, Disinformation, and Radicalization in American Politics," published in 2018. The authors analyzed news coverage and came to the conclusion we're entering dangerous territory as media aligned with the right has gone well beyond mere biased reporting and is actively using propaganda techniques to hurt Democrats and aid Republicans.
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The core of the book is the study of how that right-wing ecosystem works. According to the authors, false stories are launched on a series of extreme Web sites, such as InfoWars (the home of Alex Jones), “none of which claim to follow the norms or processes of professional journalistic objectivity.” Those stories are then transmitted to outlets such as Fox News and the Daily Caller, which, according to the authors, “do claim to follow journalistic norms,” but often fail in that function when it comes to tales from the Web sites. Link
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If you're going way way back, I agree with you. In fact, I agree 100% which is why I find what's happening today all the more amazing. We're regressing!

Anyone familiar with "Network Propaganda: Manipulation, Disinformation, and Radicalization in American Politics," published in 2018. The authors analyzed news coverage and came to the conclusion we're entering dangerous territory as media aligned with the right has gone well beyond mere biased reporting and is actively using propaganda techniques to hurt Democrats and aid Republicans.
True. There was a time when people had very few ways to ascertain the truth of what was reported in the media. There is no excuse for that in today. But human beings what they are, they still believe what they want to believe regardless of the facts. So many don't want the truth, they only want their truth confirmed.
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That was also a time before network TV. This is from 2017:
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Fox News staffers are growing increasingly dismayed as network star Sean Hannity and others continue to promote the unfounded conspiracy theory that Seth Rich, a Democratic National Committee staffer was murdered last year for talking to WikiLeaks...

The conspiracy came back to Hannity’s attention last week when Fox regular Rod Wheeler, a private investigator allegedly hired by a Trump-supporting millionaire, claimed that proof existed of Rich’s contacts with WikiLeaks. Fox 5 D.C. ran with his assertion, as did FoxNews.com. Major players in viral far-right media including Breitbart, Gateway Pundit, and The Drudge Report immediately latched onto this as a smoking gun.

Hours later, the story began to crumble. Link
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Again, as I've said several times, congratulation General Society you're learning the hard way what skeptics have been dealing with for decades.

None of this is new in the least, it's just being applied to new things.

Maybe, just maybe, if society hadn't been henpecking skepticism and rationalism about "Oh why do you have to be right all the time" and "Oh you're never change their mind" and "Oh just let them think what they want they aren't hurting anybody" we'd have some goddamn tools in the toolbox to fight this.

"OMG everybody look! People are wrong, are not responding to facts, and just keep being wrong and that's a problem!"

YOU DON'T SAY? WHO COULD OF THUNK IT?

Nobody cared about "Fake News" back when we just called it "Being wrong" and the skeptics where the only ones worked up about it. This is the results.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it didn't exist. Partisanship in media is not new:


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...of-media-bias/




(Wikipedia)

I'm not condoning it by any means, but you are incorrect to think it hasn't happened before.
I still don't get who somebody who can be really interested in politics can be so incredibly unintersted and ignorant of history. Seems to me a interest n politics would make you nterested in history.

My own great fear is the "Fake News" syndrome is infecting all shades of political opinion. Already signs that some on the left are sucummibn to the disease.ie:limiting your news to only sources that agree with your opinions.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I still don't get who somebody who can be really interested in politics can be so incredibly unintersted and ignorant of history. Seems to me a interest n politics would make you nterested in history.

My own great fear is the "Fake News" syndrome is infecting all shades of political opinion. Already signs that some on the left are sucummibn to the disease.ie:limiting your news to only sources that agree with your opinions.
I'm not quite sure whom you're addressing here. Are you saying I'm not interested in history or is that a general "you"?
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Again, as I've said several times, congratulation General Society you're learning the hard way what skeptics have been dealing with for decades.

None of this is new in the least, it's just being applied to new things.
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This makes me feel like the whole JREF movement failed. I remember when I and others were so enthusiastic about promoting critical thinking. It did seem to flourish and grow in the medical field anyway, nice consolation prize.
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This is from the day after election day in 2016. An Austin Texas man saw a fleet of CoachUSA buses in a local parking lot and decided they'd been used to "bus in paid demonstrators" protesting the hours old electoral college win by Donald Trump. The man took a photo and posted it to his Twitter account stating they were the buses the "paid protesters" used. In reality, they had brought attendees to a Tableau Software conference.
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Eric Tucker, a 35-year-old co-founder of a marketing company in Austin, Tex., had just about 40 Twitter followers. But his recent tweet about paid protesters being bused to demonstrations against President-elect Donald J. Trump fueled a nationwide conspiracy theory — one that Mr. Trump joined in promoting. Link
The following day, without doing any fact-checking at all, The Gateway Pundit posted this story:
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
This is from the day after election day in 2016. An Austin Texas man saw a fleet of CoachUSA buses in a local parking lot and decided they'd been used to "bus in paid demonstrators" protesting the hours old electoral college win by Donald Trump. The man took a photo and posted it to his Twitter account stating they were the buses the "paid protesters" used. In reality, they had brought attendees to a Tableau Software conference.


The following day, without doing any fact-checking at all, The Gateway Pundit posted this story:
Ya cain't fix stupid.
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Again, as I've said several times, congratulation General Society you're learning the hard way what skeptics have been dealing with for decades.

None of this is new in the least, it's just being applied to new things.

Maybe, just maybe, if society hadn't been henpecking skepticism and rationalism about "Oh why do you have to be right all the time" and "Oh you're never change their mind" and "Oh just let them think what they want they aren't hurting anybody" we'd have some goddamn tools in the toolbox to fight this.

"OMG everybody look! People are wrong, are not responding to facts, and just keep being wrong and that's a problem!"

YOU DON'T SAY? WHO COULD OF THUNK IT?

Nobody cared about "Fake News" back when we just called it "Being wrong" and the skeptics where the only ones worked up about it. This is the results.
Agreed completely.

I just put my hands on my hips and look at people like "ya think?"
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Gateway Pundit founder Jim Hoft -- he says he founded the site to "speak the truth" -- was profiled a few years ago by the magazine The New Yorker. The writer related, when she was saying goodbye to Mr. Hoft, she explained to him as a matter of routine, that he would be contacted sometime in the next week by The New Yorker's fact-checking department. She said upon hearing this Hoft dissolved into laughter. The writer finally said something like, "Umm...what?" Hoft, wiping tears of laughter from his eyes, replied, "Yeah we have a huge fact-checking department too." Then he began laughing again.
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I don't really agree that this is something we've seen before. A news organization calls a 0.4% percent drop in population a "mass exodus," I don't recall seeing that kind of partisanship before in news media. The shamelessness and hypocrisy are off-the-charts. Responsible people need to step up and begin speaking out.

Who says The Daily Voice is a "news organization?" Who owns it, who runs it, who works for it? Traditional media -- the networks, local TV stations, daily newspapers -- used to require enormous financial investments and to prosper they needed to appeal to the broadest audience. Newspapers have always had editorial pages that leaned in one direction or another, but they were generally kept separate from the newsroom. Reporters and editors working for a large paper were/are generally experienced professionals. A story about a press conference or a school board meeting was usually pretty reliable. Today anybody can put up a web site and make it look like the New York Times. The Russians who supported Trump in 2016 fabricated stories and media outlets that resembled the legit ones.

So today the first question to ask about any on-line media is "Who says so?"
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The Daily Voice is a news organization. It was founded by Carl Tucker who has a mainstream news background. It was formerly known as Main Street Connect. It bills itself as being "hyperlocal," similar to The Patch, once a part of AOL. I subscribe to free Voice news emails primarily because they have very accurate traffic reports for the north Bronx/Yonkers area.

Below is a market description from a few years ago. They have since expanded into New York and changed the name to Daily Voice.
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One company that is quickly expanding in its core region is Main Street Connect (MSC). Founded by Carll Tucker, MSC currently has four live local news sites -- all serving communities in Fairfield County, Connecticut, part of the New York City DMA.

Tucker was the former editor and publisher of Trader Publications, which included The Patent Trader and The Putnam Trader, and other weekly newspapers. In 1999 he sold out to Gannett, and clearly Tucker was not happy with the way things turned out. "It took them three years to kill it, and five years to put it down in a mercy killing," Tucker complained. "It's because they don't understand the community news business." Link
By the way, I emailed the Voice reporter who wrote the New York 'mass exodus' story to express my dismay. He hasn't emailed me back, not that I necessarily expect he will.

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This is from the day after election day in 2016...
Were you able to find any examples of left-leaning websites posting falsehoods since 2016?
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Nothing as blatant as what we see getting mainstreamed by the right, but I find Raw Story gets pretty damn cringey. Also, don't bring up GMOs. Those seem to be a trigger for both sides of the spectrum.
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Nothing as blatant as what we see getting mainstreamed by the right, but I find Raw Story gets pretty damn cringey. Also, don't bring up GMOs. Those seem to be a trigger for both sides of the spectrum.
The Left loves their crunchy granola woo a bit too much and that does on not-rare occasions cross the line into an actual problems, but it still pales into the the full score, across the entire spectrum of policy, total reality denial we see from the Right.
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Business Insider reports that despite having an older and more vulnerable audience Fox News is downplaying the risks associated with the Coronavirus.
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Sean Hannity 'reported' that Democrats want the virus to spread in order to "wreak havoc" and undermine President Donald Trump. The Democrats, meaning the Democratic Party "want" the virus to spread? Anyone think they have actual evidence of that or is it just more propaganda masquerading as news?
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Are the OP examples fake news? They bust Rep Ocasio-Cortez' chops for her light image-torquing, and the news itself in the population quote is irrelevant to a couple random posters' comments.

Fake news is a serious problem. Those snippets are not.
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Gateway Pundit is 'reporting' that the CDC is overplaying the coronavirus in order to avenge Rod Rosenstein.
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Right on schedule: The rightwing news sites (Gateway Pundit, Rush Limbaugh, etc.) have seized upon the fact that Dr. Nancy Messonnier—the CDC official who warned of potential severe disruptions—is Rod Rosenstein's sister. Buckle up. This is going to keep getting stupider. Business Insider
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I don't really agree that this is something we've seen before. A news organization calls a 0.4% percent drop in population a "mass exodus," I don't recall seeing that kind of partisanship before in news media. The shamelessness and hypocrisy are off-the-charts. Responsible people need to step up and begin speaking out.
If you haven't seen it before, then you haven't been paying attention before.

And the idea that this is somehow peculiar to the right is laughable.
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This is from the day after election day in 2016. An Austin Texas man saw a fleet of CoachUSA buses in a local parking lot and decided they'd been used to "bus in paid demonstrators" protesting the hours old electoral college win by Donald Trump. The man took a photo and posted it to his Twitter account stating they were the buses the "paid protesters" used. In reality, they had brought attendees to a Tableau Software conference.


The following day, without doing any fact-checking at all, The Gateway Pundit posted this story:
At least it can serve as a cautionary tale.
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This goes on every night. Night after night.
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Hannity said Democrats were "sadly politicizing and weaponizing an infectious disease as their next effort to bludgeon President Trump." "Many on the left are all but rooting for coronavirus to wreak havoc in the United States. Why?" he asked. "To score cheap, repulsive political points." Fox News
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This goes on every night. Night after night.
Wow. These guys don't project much, do they?
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If you haven't seen it before, then you haven't been paying attention before.
True. What they are is just outright lies.

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And the idea that this is somehow peculiar to the right is laughable.
While it is true that both sides are equally guilty of being somewhat loose and creative with the truth, its only Trump and his right wing minions who scream "Fake News" every time the mainstream media says something Dear Leader doesn't like or agree with.

"Fake News", "Alternative Facts", "Hoax" and "Witch Hunt" are all terms that appear almost exclusively in right wing media and in Trump's twitter rants
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True. What they are is just outright lies.



While it is true that both sides are equally guilty of being somewhat loose and creative with the truth, its only Trump and his right wing minions who scream "Fake News" every time the mainstream media says something Dear Leader doesn't like or agree with.

"Fake News", "Alternative Facts", "Hoax" and "Witch Hunt" are all terms that appear almost exclusively in right wing media and in Trump's twitter rants
Nor have I seen the left use the term "enemy of the people" like Trump does. Sure, he calls "Fake news" the "enemy of the people" but for him, any media that dares to criticize him, expose him, or contradict him is "fake" regardless of its accuracy.
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The Left loves their crunchy granola woo a bit too much and that does on not-rare occasions cross the line into an actual problems, but it still pales into the the full score, across the entire spectrum of policy, total reality denial we see from the Right.
This is an oft repeated trope by the Left (total reality denial from the Right), but rarely are any examples offered.

So give me examples of news stories that came from the alt-media that have been bigger falsehoods and of greater consequence than the following:

- The Iraq War – A false narrative suggesting that Saddam Hussein and Osama bin-Laden were conspiring together to attack America with WMDs and nuclear weapons(Uranium Niger forged documents, mushroom clouds over American cities etc)

- Hands-up Don’t Shoot – A false narrative suggesting that police officers were gunning down random helpless black people for no reason. The success of Black Lives Matter caused the US murder rate to surge almost 25% between 2014 and 2016.

- Trump-Russia collusion - A fake news story and investigation suggesting that Trump conspired with Russia to steal the election from Hillary. In the 2018 mid-term elections almost 75% of Democratic voters believed this fake news nonsense.

- The Covington Catholic calumny.- White MAGA wearing high school students mob a peaceful Native elder and tease and taunt him. In reality they are waiting on a bus to pick them up and were verbally accosted by Black Hebrew Israelites.

- Jussie Smollett hate hoax - A fake news story about MAGA hat wearing white dudes beating up a gay black dude while shouting, "This is MAGA country."

Beyond all the fake news promoted and believed by the Left, they have gone completely insane with the whole gender fluidity and multiple genders nonsense. The Right vs. Left distinction at this time are those who believe in reality vs. those who believe in nonsense. The more reality-based your opinions are the more far-right you are; possibly even a Nazi, Racist or Fascist!!!
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You see fake news, I see people too lazy to verify the claims of others.
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That's just the "It's okay to be a troll, not okay to feed a troll" of information theory.
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You see fake news, I see people too lazy to verify the claims of others.
They see fake news, and I see people who have drunk the Trump/GOP Kool Ade too frequently.

These people will vanish without a trace when the truth comes out - and come out it will..... soon!
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