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Old 20th March 2020, 11:53 AM   #441
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Old 20th March 2020, 12:25 PM   #442
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Originally Posted by Bogative View Post
Hey Stacy, I'd like to go back to the conversation we had three months ago.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...5#post12917575



As I predicted, Democrat voters rejected all the black candidates, brown candidates, yellow candidates, gay candidates, female candidates, poor candidates and young candidates and nominated a crusty old rich straight white man.

Democrats don't give a damn about diversity, it's a ruse they try to use to bludgeon their political opposition.
At least the Dems don't buddy up to racists and call Neo Nazis "good people".
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Old 20th March 2020, 12:34 PM   #443
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
At least the Dems don't buddy up to racists and call Neo Nazis "good people".
We do it plenty.

It's just that they are better dressed and often have government offices.

For example, Biden's defense of racist colleagues Eastman and Tallmadge (I had my quotes mixed up earlier, apologies), Dick Harpootlian, etc.

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Originally Posted by Bogative View Post
Hey Stacy, I'd like to go back to the conversation we had three months ago.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...5#post12917575
Two thumbs up! As a person who gets embarrassed easily, I admire someone who is able to point out having authored something so spectacularly inane.

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As I predicted, Democrat voters rejected all the black candidates, brown candidates, yellow candidates, gay candidates, female candidates, poor candidates and young candidates and nominated a crusty old rich straight white man.

Democrats don't give a damn about diversity, it's a ruse they try to use to bludgeon their political opposition.
This ruse is so clever, so insidious, that they nominated a black guy and a woman just to setup 2020. That's what I call long game!
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Old 20th March 2020, 10:06 PM   #445
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Originally Posted by Bogative View Post
Hey Stacy, I'd like to go back to the conversation we had three months ago.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...5#post12917575



As I predicted, Democrat voters rejected all the black candidates, brown candidates, yellow candidates, gay candidates, female candidates, poor candidates and young candidates and nominated a crusty old rich straight white man.

Democrats don't give a damn about diversity, it's a ruse they try to use to bludgeon their political opposition.
Hey Bogative, just an FYI, choosing someone who is white doesn't automatically make people racist or mean they don't care about diversity. It could be that they think the white person just happens to be the better candidate at the time, not because of their skin color, but for reasons totally unrelated to that.

You're literally talking about Democratic voters who elected a black man as their last president. Do you not understand how that makes your entire argument look absolutely retarded?

Just kidding, I know you don't. That would require intellectual honesty and the ability for self reflection.

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Old 20th March 2020, 11:57 PM   #446
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Bernie should stay in because it increases the profile of his ideas and pressures Biden to make more concessions to the left. We've already seen some success in this, with Biden trying to woo Bernie and Warren supporters with new policies. The bankruptcy policy is an explicit offer for Warren and her supporters, and the college policy is clearly something aimed at progressives generally .

Bernie has proven himself to be quite pragmatic in wielding his enthusiastic base of support within the bounds of the Democratic party.
Or he should get out and back Biden because the country is in an incredible crisis and this is no time to split the party.
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From what I've seen over the last two days, Andrew Cuomo is the candidate I wish I could have voted for. His has been the most decisive leadership I've seen since this whole thing started.
I would have loved to see Tammy Duckworth on the ticket.
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Old 23rd March 2020, 05:17 AM   #448
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At least the Dems don't buddy up to racists and call Neo Nazis "good people".
Fake news.
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Old 23rd March 2020, 05:24 AM   #449
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Or he should get out and back Biden because the country is in an incredible crisis and this is no time to split the party.
yes, Biden's leadership during this crisis has been exemplary. He's really showing the country how to do social distancing, no one seems to have seen or heard from him in some time.
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yes, Biden's leadership during this crisis has been exemplary. He's really showing the country how to do social distancing, no one seems to have seen or heard from him in some time.
This must be driving poor Joe crazy. He hasn't had a chance to inappropriately touch anyone, or sniffed some hair for weeks.
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Old 23rd March 2020, 05:32 AM   #451
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yes, Biden's leadership during this crisis has been exemplary. He's really showing the country how to do social distancing, no one seems to have seen or heard from him in some time.
Apparently he has big plans for today:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...annings-139629
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As I predicted, Democrat voters rejected all the black candidates, brown candidates, yellow candidates, gay candidates, female candidates, poor candidates and young candidates and nominated a crusty old rich straight man.
So did the GOP, in both 2016 and 2020. Not that there were many to begin with.
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Old 23rd March 2020, 06:22 AM   #453
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yes, Biden's leadership during this crisis has been exemplary. He's really showing the country how to do social distancing, no one seems to have seen or heard from him in some time.
At this point Biden has little or no actual political power, and the democratic primaries have taken a back seat to other enemy's in the news. There just aren't a lot of reasons for news organizations to be talking about him.

Even comrade Sanders doesn't seem to be getting as much press (and with him he at least has the big "stay in the race or leave') speculation that might garner some interest from the press)

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The last time Biden did a TV gig, he finished by blankly staring off into the distance for a while, in the middle of which his wife came up & whispered something in his ear but he still stayed there for a bit just shifting his blank stare from place to place in the room before finally walking away... just like my grandfather walking out of the little convenience store and staring around the two-row parking lot in befuddlement not recognizing his own car with his grandkids in it just 10-15 feet away, a couple of years before his brain problem finally killed him.
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Originally Posted by Bogative View Post
As I predicted, Democrat voters rejected all the black candidates, brown candidates, yellow candidates, gay candidates, female candidates, poor candidates and young candidates and nominated a crusty old rich straight white man.

Democrats don't give a damn about diversity, it's a ruse they try to use to bludgeon their political opposition.
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So did the GOP, in both 2016 and 2020. Not that there were many to begin with.
It's the standard edge-lord Nihilism response. "You have standards and don't live up to them 100% perfectly, I have none, therefore I'm (through insane troll logic) better than you."

So yes in Bogative's (and many others) world view the fact that the Republicans don't even bother with diversity while the Democrats attempt it, struggle with it, and sometimes fail at it does make the Republicans better.
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At this point Biden has little or no actual political power, and the democratic primaries have taken a back seat to other enemy's in the news. There just aren't a lot of reasons for news organizations to be talking about him.

Even comrade Sanders doesn't seem to be getting as much press (and with him he at least has the big "stay in the race or leave') speculation that might garner some interest from the press)

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At this point Biden has little or no actual political power
Joe Biden is a United States Senator. He doesn't lose his Senator powers just because he's running for President.
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Joe Biden is a United States Senator. He doesn't lose his Senator powers just because he's running for President.
He hasn't been a senator since he became Obama's VP.
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He hasn't been a senator since he became Obama's VP.
Maybe he means he still has his Super Secret Senate Decoder Ring, they get to keep those for life.
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He hasn't been a senator since he became Obama's VP.
My bad. I don't know how come I thought he was still a Senator. Thanks for the correction!
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My bad. I don't know how come I thought he was still a Senator. Thanks for the correction!
I thought you were setting up some sort of joke and I had a real hard time seeing what it could be. Thanks for making me think!
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Left or right, oligarchs gonna oligarch. A man doesn't get to be a billionaire by giving away money. (Bloomberg campaign staffers are suing for unpaid salaries.)
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Left or right, oligarchs gonna oligarch. A man doesn't get to be a billionaire by giving away money. (Bloomberg campaign staffers are suing for unpaid salaries.)
Except that he did give away the money, that's the problem. Instead of using it to fund his own field offices and the people employed there, he gave away the $18 Million to the DNC for them to take over and employ his campaign's former staffers to carry on under the DNC banner instead of the Mike2020 one.
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Bernie just went to bat for working people in the coronavirus relief bill. He added a provision that promised 100% unemployment relief for working people and threatened to put a hold on the bill unless the Republicans retracted their objections to that provision.

The Republicans backed down and Bernie's provision is in the bill that passed on to the House.
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Except that he did give away the money, that's the problem. Instead of using it to fund his own field offices and the people employed there, he gave away the $18 Million to the DNC for them to take over and employ his campaign's former staffers to carry on under the DNC banner instead of the Mike2020 one.
There's only a handful of ways to legally discharge that money.

Transferring it to the DNC is hardly the benevolent and selfless option. I imagine a number of charities might find use for it about now.
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Apparently a number of people who worked on his campaign, too.
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Except that he did give away the money, that's the problem. Instead of using it to fund his own field offices and the people employed there, he gave away the $18 Million to the DNC for them to take over and employ his campaign's former staffers to carry on under the DNC banner instead of the Mike2020 one.
There's only a handful of ways to legally discharge that money.
Transferring it to the DNC is hardly the benevolent and selfless option. I imagine a number of charities might find use for it about now.
Strange thing to criticize Bloomberg over...

First of all, for better or worse, elections DO cost money to run, and it may require the Democrats to counter huge spending by Republican donors. It would be great if things like SuperPACs didn't exist and political donations were limited,, but until that happens the Democrats have to run under the current rules. Yeah, there are charities that need assistance too, but getting rid of Stubby McBonespurs may be the best way to help people in need.

Secondly, it sounds like you're getting into a "there's better use" argument... but if you go down that rabbit hole, you can dismiss almost all charitable contributions the same way, since you can find plenty of charities that are in even more dire situations... Give to help the homeless? Well, what about children with terminal diseases?

Lastly, keep in mind that Bloomberg isn't just donating to the Democratic party. He has donated hundreds of millions to various charities over the years, and just recently has announced a donation of $40 million to assist developing nations in combating Covid-19.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mike...ry?id=69640813
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Strange thing to criticize Bloomberg over...

First of all, for better or worse, elections DO cost money to run, and it may require the Democrats to counter huge spending by Republican donors. It would be great if things like SuperPACs didn't exist and political donations were limited,, but until that happens the Democrats have to run under the current rules. Yeah, there are charities that need assistance too, but getting rid of Stubby McBonespurs may be the best way to help people in need.

Secondly, it sounds like you're getting into a "there's better use" argument... but if you go down that rabbit hole, you can dismiss almost all charitable contributions the same way, since you can find plenty of charities that are in even more dire situations... Give to help the homeless? Well, what about children with terminal diseases?

Lastly, keep in mind that Bloomberg isn't just donating to the Democratic party. He has donated hundreds of millions to various charities over the years, and just recently has announced a donation of $40 million to assist developing nations in combating Covid-19.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mike...ry?id=69640813
Charitable donations are tax deductible. It's not giving money away if you're getting paid to do it.
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Strange thing to criticize Bloomberg over...
The actual criticism is that he's not paying his campaign workers. That's not a strange criticism at all.
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Charitable donations are tax deductible. It's not giving money away if you're getting paid to do it.
Even in the top tax brackets, it is cheaper to not give money away. Sure, you get to deduct the amount, but that is hardly the same as being paid to give it away, it merely reduces the cost of having given it away.

Before this leads to a general derail, I don't think that charity should be deductible at all. The government should not raise or lower your taxes based on how you spent your money.
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Is incentivizing charitable donations cheaper than raising taxes?
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Even in the top tax brackets, it is cheaper to not give money away. Sure, you get to deduct the amount, but that is hardly the same as being paid to give it away, it merely reduces the cost of having given it away.

Before this leads to a general derail, I don't think that charity should be deductible at all. The government should not raise or lower your taxes based on how you spent your money.
I strongly disagree, but not enough to derail this thread. Let's get back to tracking the 2020 Democratic candidates. Like Mike Bloomberg, who is now being sued by campaign staffers for non-payment of salaries.
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The actual criticism is that he's not paying his campaign workers. That's not a strange criticism at all.
Yes, there were postings regarding Bloomberg's failure to pay campaign workers.

But, my posting was a response to a poster who was discussing his donations to the Democratic party, along with what I assume was a claim about how "there are other charities in more need".
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I strongly disagree, but not enough to derail this thread. Let's get back to tracking the 2020 Democratic candidates. Like Mike Bloomberg, who is now being sued by campaign staffers for non-payment of salaries.
I respect that.
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Yes, there were postings regarding Bloomberg's failure to pay campaign workers.

But, my posting was a response to a poster who was discussing his donations to the Democratic party, along with what I assume was a claim about how "there are other charities in more need".
The discussion of his donations to the Democratic party wasn't a criticism.

There was a joke made: One doesn't become a billionaire by paying one's employees giving away money.

PW took the joke seriously and rebutted it, claiming he *did* give the money away. And then DO pointed out that campaign funds can't really be given away in that sense. These were funds that Bloomberg set aside for his own benefit, and when that benefit was rendered null he had few options for what to do with the remainder of those funds.

Neither PW nor DO were criticizing Bloomberg. Nobody ever actually made the "more deserving charities" argument you envisioned.

The only actual criticism is that he's not paying his campaign staff. If you're going to rebut a criticism, why not rebut the criticism that was actually offered?
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Neither PW nor DO were criticizing Bloomberg. Nobody ever actually made the "more deserving charities" argument you envisioned.
Delphic Oracle's posting contained this exact statement:

Transferring it (money) to the DNC is hardly the benevolent and selfless option. I imagine a number of charities might find use for it about now.


Sounds to me like he was suggesting more deserving charities when he mentioned those that "might find use for it".

And taking what was a significant charitable donation and saying it is "hardly a benevolent action" certainly diminishes the act of giving.

As for Bloomberg's failure to pay campaign staffers... keep in mind that there has not yet been a court ruling on the matter, and its possible that the courts may find Bloomberg blameless. (I'm not making predictions... just pointing out that launching a lawsuit doesn't necessarily mean WINNING a lawsuit.) Furthermore, this lawsuit is not over wages for past work completed, but a promise of future wages.
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There's a $10,000 cap on contributions to parties.

Unless you self-fund a campaign, miss half the early primary dates, then drop out after the first results.

Then you can donate millions.
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Delphic Oracle's posting contained this exact statement:

Transferring it (money) to the DNC is hardly the benevolent and selfless option. I imagine a number of charities might find use for it about now.


Sounds to me like he was suggesting more deserving charities when he mentioned those that "might find use for it".
I think he was just contrasting the legal requirements to allocate his funds in certain ways, with what true selfless giving would look like. Context clues, and such.

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And taking what was a significant charitable donation and saying it is "hardly a benevolent action" certainly diminishes the act of giving.
I'm pretty sure the DNC isn't a charity organization. Even if it somehow managed to qualify, I wouldn't consider contributions to a political party to be charitable donations or "benevolent action" in the sense of selfless giving. (Obviously you have to have some benevolence towards a political party, to give them large sums of money, but that's not the kind of benevolence we're talking about in this context.)

Again, nobody was arguing there are more deserving charities. At most, they were (rightly) pointing out that donating to a political party is not the same as donating to a charity.

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yes, Biden's leadership during this crisis has been exemplary. He's really showing the country how to do social distancing, no one seems to have seen or heard from him in some time.
He's given at least one speech from home.
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Apparently he has big plans for today:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...annings-139629
He'd have no trouble debunking today's press conference that was nothing but lies.
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