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Old 5th March 2020, 03:10 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by @realdonaldtrump
Elizabeth “Pocahontas” Warren, who was going nowhere except into Mini Mike’s head, just dropped out of the Democrat Primary...THREE DAYS TOO LATE. She cost Crazy Bernie, at least, Massachusetts, Minnesota and Texas. Probably cost him the nomination! Came in third in Mass.

Tru dat.
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Old 5th March 2020, 03:38 PM   #82
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
What a bizarre statement. There's the idea of a people getting the leaders they deserve, and in this line you certainly don't deserve Tulsi, who is the perfect candidate to beat Trump. Tough luck. Or "Karma bites"?
Based on higher levels of Putin support? Just great.
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Originally Posted by fishbob View Post
Based on higher levels of Putin support? Just great.

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Old 5th March 2020, 03:53 PM   #84
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
A Republican woman on CNN just now who voted for Trump says she would vote for Biden if he gets the nomination this time. She's not comfortable with Sanders 'socialism'.

I think more Republicans and Independents who voted for Trump last time but are not happy with him now would vote for Biden but not Sanders.
CNN has made their bias known over and over again. They're all about the $ and not about journalism. It's very easy for them to find someone like the woman you mentioned and put her on there expressly for the purpose of trying to convey the very idea you're expressing.

What is important is not what some individual says on CNN or any other "news" program, but what polling of republicans and independents show. I don't know about republicans, but I have shared this reuters poll before which shows independents preferring Sanders over Trump and over every other democratic candidate that was running.

https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gf...010%202020.pdf
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Old 5th March 2020, 03:59 PM   #85
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
I agree.
The path to defeating Trump is definitely not through outrage.
He must be portrayed as the small, thirsty, comical troll that he is.
Laughing at him is the best weapon against him.
Laughing at him, sure. *Not* laughing at his supporters. I don't believe they are all trash (or deplorable). Certainly some of them are, but a lot are just on the conservative side, and worry about a so-called liberal agenda running amuck: Guns seized, war on Christians, fully socialized health care, murdering healthy newborns. The "liberal agenda" in the U.S. is simply a lite version of the trend in all developed "Western" democracies. I include Australia and New Zealand, and I don't recall hearing anyone mock Australia as being too liberal (NZ I'm not as sure about).

I absolutely understand those who think Bernie is more electable than Biden. I go back and forth. But both are better options than Trump, IMO. So I'd be disappointed if there evolve never-Biden and never-Bernie camps. Overall I favor Biden more on policy, but it's impossible to deny the energy of Bernie's campaign. I think the ACA is a decent framework for transitioning to full realized universal health care in which we de-emphasize the adversarial system we have now. There is a lot of groundwork that needs to be laid and someone probably has a plan for that.
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Old 5th March 2020, 05:31 PM   #86
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
What a bizarre statement. There's the idea of a people getting the leaders they deserve, and in this line you certainly don't deserve Tulsi, who is the perfect candidate to beat Trump. Tough luck. Or "Karma bites"?
Lol. Okay Comrade.
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Old 5th March 2020, 05:40 PM   #87
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
What a bizarre statement. There's the idea of a people getting the leaders they deserve, and in this line you certainly don't deserve Tulsi, who is the perfect candidate to beat Trump. Tough luck. Or "Karma bites"?
Never mind her sketchy positions. I don't think it's possible for a Hindu to win an election for POTUS.
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Old 5th March 2020, 05:48 PM   #88
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Originally Posted by fishbob View Post
Don't worry about it. I will keep laughing at him for you.
And the results will still be the same
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And then there were two,

neither one of them Indians.
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
Never mind her sketchy positions. I don't think it's possible for a Hindu to win an election for POTUS.


Her being a Hindu I have nothing against. her being a screwball on so many other things does.
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Old 5th March 2020, 06:04 PM   #91
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Lol. Okay Comrade.
CE Ignorance of American Politics is truly incredible.

And the only reason CE is pushing for Tulsi is CE thinks Tulsi is a bigger Putin fan then Donnie.
Thouht Vlad is smarter then to waste a rouble on Tulsi's campaign which he knows is going nowhere.
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I think the Dems are being given a golden opportunity by Trump's inept handling of the Corona Virus. Hammer him for incompetence. I think he is vulnerable there.
Americans who might tolerate a corrupt, bigoted President might well draw a line on an incompetent one.
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Old 5th March 2020, 07:36 PM   #93
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I think the Dems are being given a golden opportunity by Trump's inept handling of the Corona Virus. Hammer him for incompetence. I think he is vulnerable there.
Americans who might tolerate a corrupt, bigoted President might well draw a line on an incompetent one.
He's always been incompetent but as long as their wallets are doing well, they don't care.
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The question is, will the Democratic nominee viciously and relentlessly attack Trump? Should they?
I'm at a loss as to how one would "viciously" attack Trump. What could a Dem say that is both reasonably accurate and vicious? I say " reasonably accurate" to preclude stupid assertions that are baseless that I doubt the Dems will make.
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
I agree.
The path to defeating Trump is definitely not through outrage.
He must be portrayed as the small, thirsty, comical troll that he is.
Laughing at him is the best weapon against him.
That's why the ideal Dem nominee is Al Franken. He could make up jokes about Trump that would drive him crazy like he did with Limbaugh. I can just see one of those one-on-one debates where Franken rips off a one-liner and Trump gets red in the face and sputters around the room for the rest of the evening.

*sigh* One can only dream. Fer Chriss-sake, Al, hitch up your big-boy pants and get back in the game.
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So whoever gets the Dem nomination needs to flip at least 6 seats and hold on to close ones like New Hampshire.

The likely ones are the ones Trump snatched, like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida, Ohio and Iowa.

So it needs to be someone who will beat Trump in those seats, others are probably not important. For example no-one really needs to campaign in California.

From the polls, which are a bit sketchy at the moment, it seems like Sanders is overall a better choice. But then we all know how useful polls were four years ago.

I am getting the feeling that Iowa and Florida would go better under Biden, somewhere like Pennsylvania would be better under Sanders.

But then I am not an American - what do others think?
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I'm at a loss as to how one would "viciously" attack Trump. What could a Dem say that is both reasonably accurate and vicious? I say " reasonably accurate" to preclude stupid assertions that are baseless that I doubt the Dems will make.
Craig4 has some ideas along those lines.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I think the Dems are being given a golden opportunity by Trump's inept handling of the Corona Virus. Hammer him for incompetence. I think he is vulnerable there.
Americans who might tolerate a corrupt, bigoted President might well draw a line on an incompetent one.
When people start getting bills for COVID-19 testing and treatment, will they still feel the same way about universal healthcare?
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Regarding Bernie not getting anything done: I've seen others on this board complain about Bernie's supporters not realizing that Bernie as president would not be able to accomplish his agenda. What makes them think we are so naive? Every Bernie supporter I have spoken with is well aware he won't be able to push his agenda through as president. And I wouldn't fault him for that, in the face of GOP obstructionism.

No, we are supporting him for the purpose of pushing the federal govt, however so slightly or not, to the left, after such dramatic swings to the right over the past few decades. And let me preemptively point out to anyone deciding to ask me: Wouldn't it be better to support a progressive left candidate who can get things done?

1. I'm not sure that's possible in the current political climate.

2. You vote for the progressive left candidate you have, not the progressive left candidate you want.
First things first - I was addressing the points made, rather than specifically claiming that Bernie can't get anything done... especially in the very likely case that Warren would play a major role in his Administration. Still, I do think that progressives will be held to a much different and more hostile standard than "moderates" will, (much as I think that "moderates" is likely a bit of a misnomer) especially by the notable chunk of Bernie supporters who are demanding, for example, M4A... NOW NOW NOW! Warren bad because she won't promise to give us M4A on day 1! Is that hyperbole? Only barely, sadly, going by many, many attack comments on some of the people who endorsed Warren. Either way, to truly succeed, therefore, requires governing competence, or feelings of betrayal will likely set in.

And this is part of where our different priorities show. Honestly, I fear a notable backlash to Sanders, specifically, that wouldn't happen with many other progressives, as well as sharing the doubts about, to borrow from them, white people that led a whole lot of very progressive African Americans to vote for Biden. With that said, would I choose Bernie over Biden in a heartbeat for President? Yes. Do I think that Bernie's more likely to win than Biden? I have a hard time saying, honestly, because their strengths and weaknesses are so different and significant. Still, Bernie cancelling his Mississippi speech to reach out to African Americans does not seem to have gone unnoticed, and that bodes quite ill for him.



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Finally, for anyone who claims Warren is similar but she's accomplished more in the Senate: I'm on the record on this board stating on several occasions that I consider my support between Warren and Sanders a coin flip. I decided several months ago to vote for which ever had the momentum at the time of my state's primary. And that's exactly what I did.
You have. To be clear, I'm not going to knock you for that.

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Bloomberg running a crypto "tax the wealthy" campaign the whole time. Seriously, almost any other use for half a billion would have been more worthwhile than his vanity campaign.

Bloomberg could have solely funded the lead remediation of Flint,MI. Probably would have won more delegates that way too.
Well... when he pretty obviously entered the race almost specifically because he was afraid of Warren and the then seemingly strong scenario that this race would end up as a contest between Warren and Sanders... Bloomberg got what he was actually seriously pushing for.


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Its possible for something to be 'within the rules' and still be considered unethical/selfish/harmful to the country as a whole.
Which pretty much gets down to the question of what, exactly, the job of a legislator (or elected civil servant in general) is. If one listens to some on the right, it sure sounds like their job consists solely of getting elected and securing re-election. No hint of serving any higher principles.
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You got some facts right but somehow managed to arrive at the wrong conclusion. I'd like to point out that 2016 was decided by less than those "few piddling percent points" in WI, MI, and PA. It's my understanding that some sat out (or voted third party) because they refused to vote for Hillary (hell, I know quite a few of them). Bringing those people back around (now that Hillary is gone) is enough to swing the election away from Trump...without converting a single Trump voter.
I agree with that for the most part.
But you leave out a crucial component by failing to consider that in those same States there were a few ticks of voters who sat it out on the other side as well because Trump was their candidate and Clinton was not too terrible for them to consider.

We need to get "our" voters in those States a little more fired up without getting the ones who sat out because Trump to feel compelled to vote against us.
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Stipulated that Trump will viciously and relentlessly attack whoever the Democratic nominee is - itís his MO and not even his lawyer and early and ardent supporters are immune - thinking Cohen and Sessions for two.

But I still think Sanders is especially vulnerable in this regard - as I said before, the attack ads on Bernie will write themselves.

Hereís one from my Facebook feed a few days ago:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...b16fb668_z.jpg

Now imagine the ads in S Florida painting Bernie as ďpraisingĒ Castro.

I will support Sanders 100% if heís the nominee. I support Medicare for All, so thereís that. But Iím not optimistic as to how he will fare in the general election once heís the sole target of the Trump/Republican smear machine.
Interesting that they had to go back 40 years to find an opinion of Sanders' that they took issue with.
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I just knew it would be a good time to check out what Ben Garrison is up to...

https://i.imgur.com/TMZ2U8T.jpg
I love how Garrison thinks his readers are stupid and need everything labeled, including Sanders and Biden.

What an idiot.
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Interesting that they had to go back 40 years to find an opinion of Sanders' that they took issue with.
I do NOT want to take on the role of searching out what Trump might use for ammunition against Sanders.

But this hit my Apple News feed this morning:

As Bernie Sanders Pushed for Closer Ties, Soviet Union Spotted Opportunity
Previously unseen documents from a Soviet archive show how hard Mr. Sanders worked to find a sister city in Russia when he was a mayor in the 1980s. Moscow saw a chance for propaganda.

Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/w...et-russia.html

Whether or not heís the nominee, it seems inevitable that these little gems will continue to dribble out, no doubt exaggerated in their import by Trump and associates.

I honestly donít think these stories being 40 years old will make any difference. Think about how far back they had to go to get something, anything, on Warren.
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B View Post
I do NOT want to take on the role of searching out what Trump might use for ammunition against Sanders.

But this hit my Apple News feed this morning:

As Bernie Sanders Pushed for Closer Ties, Soviet Union Spotted Opportunity
Previously unseen documents from a Soviet archive show how hard Mr. Sanders worked to find a sister city in Russia when he was a mayor in the 1980s. Moscow saw a chance for propaganda.

Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/w...et-russia.html

Whether or not heís the nominee, it seems inevitable that these little gems will continue to dribble out, no doubt exaggerated in their import by Trump and associates.

I honestly donít think these stories being 40 years old will make any difference. Think about how far back they had to go to get something, anything, on Warren.
There is plenty of Biden stuff coming out as people search transcripts on sites like CSpan. Only Sanders stuff being posted here however,
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B View Post
I do NOT want to take on the role of searching out what Trump might use for ammunition against Sanders.

But this hit my Apple News feed this morning:

As Bernie Sanders Pushed for Closer Ties, Soviet Union Spotted Opportunity
Previously unseen documents from a Soviet archive show how hard Mr. Sanders worked to find a sister city in Russia when he was a mayor in the 1980s. Moscow saw a chance for propaganda.

Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/w...et-russia.html

Whether or not heís the nominee, it seems inevitable that these little gems will continue to dribble out, no doubt exaggerated in their import by Trump and associates.

I honestly donít think these stories being 40 years old will make any difference. Think about how far back they had to go to get something, anything, on Warren.
I always thought sister cities was a propaganda tool. Do they have some merit beyond mediia?
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Marvel at every one of the geniuses involved with the fluster cluck at MSNbC.
https://twitter.com/cbouzy/status/12...850675200?s=21
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I always thought sister cities was a propaganda tool. Do they have some merit beyond mediia?
If you set fire to one sister city it remains unharmed while its counterpart gets burned. It was a method of exchanging hostages during the cold war. Also if you were level 40 or above you got access to a portal between sister cities, and a 10% reputation buff with each of them.
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If you set fire to one sister city it remains unharmed while its counterpart gets burned. It was a method of exchanging hostages during the cold war. Also if you were level 40 or above you got access to a portal between sister cities, and a 10% reputation buff with each of them.
Not anymore you don't. When was the last time you saw an Elks Lodge kitted out enough to support a portal? City budgets are too tight for that. Around here they get you one cultural festival event a year, tops.
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B View Post
I do NOT want to take on the role of searching out what Trump might use for ammunition against Sanders.

But this hit my Apple News feed this morning:

As Bernie Sanders Pushed for Closer Ties, Soviet Union Spotted Opportunity
Previously unseen documents from a Soviet archive show how hard Mr. Sanders worked to find a sister city in Russia when he was a mayor in the 1980s. Moscow saw a chance for propaganda.

...

I honestly don’t think these stories being 40 years old will make any difference. Think about how far back they had to go to get something, anything, on Warren.
LOLOLOLOLOL. .

This visit was in 1988. Also in 1988:

Quote:
Ronald Reagan standing within the fortress walls of the Kremlin with a smiling Mikhail S. Gorbachev at his side, said Tuesday that he no longer sees the Soviet Union as “the evil empire.”
“You are talking about another time, another era,” he said in an exchange with a handful of reporters clustered around a 39-ton cannon dating from 1586 that stands in a plaza in the center of the Kremlin.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...667-story.html

The Muppets visited the USSR that year as well. Billy Joel the year before. US/USSR relations were on a massive upswing.


That article uses the word "propaganda" and makes it sound sinister when it really amounts to what the US would call "public relations." Yeah, the USSR Communist Party was obviously going to see this as a possible way to gain political advantage. How did that work out for them?

Given the trajectory of US/USSR relations in the few years after this, the visit makes Bernie look like a gifted visionary statesman who was at the front of the pack in the political engagement that eventually dismantled the Iron Curtain.

I mean, unless someone is doing some serious red-baiting revisionist history.

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Old 6th March 2020, 07:19 AM   #110
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I don't know crap about politics and dislike it all intensely. But I guess I want the impossible one to be President. Tulsi Gabbard.

I was happy to have a black President and now I think we should have a female President. It won't happen right now, but what can I say?
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Old 6th March 2020, 07:35 AM   #111
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I think the Dems are being given a golden opportunity by Trump's inept handling of the Corona Virus. Hammer him for incompetence. I think he is vulnerable there.
Americans who might tolerate a corrupt, bigoted President might well draw a line on an incompetent one.
That is a flaw in thinking that highlights the different outlook between Dems and Reps.

Democrats expect the gov. to be able to handle certain things to a certain level of competence, and Democrats running for office run partially on an ability to get things done.

Republicans run on the assertion that the government can't really get anything done right anyway, then actively attempt to sabotage its' abilities when they get elected. The Republican voter base becomes more enamored with their philosophy the more their elected leaders are able to screw things up.

It is not Trump who is short of coronavirus test kits- it is "the Federal Government", which is the enemy of any red-blooded American anyway.
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Old 6th March 2020, 07:44 AM   #112
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What he said.

An... appreciable amount (no I can't pin an exact percentage point on it or declare it a definitive majority or minority of X but a statistically meaningful amount of people) still see the government getting involved, no matter how bad things are, as only making it worse.

Sure X percent of our population is puking their internal organs out through their tearducts because of Herpasyphigonnalitis but at the least the government isn't rounding us up to put into death camps like we're brown children or something.

And no the cognitive dissonance that it is "their" preferred government in power doesn't matter to them. And no the fact that they happily accept government power and overreach in other scenarios doesn't matter to them either.

As said the Right has created a mindspace for themselves where they elect incompetent or evil people into power as proof that the government doesn't work and are applying it only when it works for them and regardless of how little sense that makes to us it's how they are operating mentally right now.

We see it here on this board all the time. How many times have various certain someones argued either in the subtext or the outright text that Trump breaking the government is either a good thing or a just punishment on us becoming too dependant on government to do things?

As weird as it seems much like his evil for Trump his incompetence is a feature, not a bug. And, as crazy as it seems, him screwing up might work in his favor.

It's how things work in a post-facts world. If you argue something doesn't work and someone argues that it does, just break it so you're right and there is a number of people who that mentality makes perfect sense to.
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Old 6th March 2020, 07:47 AM   #113
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Marvel at every one of the geniuses involved with the fluster cluck at MSNbC.
https://twitter.com/cbouzy/status/12...850675200?s=21
Wait until corona is done.

There will only be 327 US citizens left.
Hopefully Bloomberg is one of them, so that he can share one million with each.
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Old 6th March 2020, 07:56 AM   #114
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
What he said.

An... appreciable amount (no I can't pin an exact percentage point on it or declare it a definitive majority or minority of X but a statistically meaningful amount of people) still see the government getting involved, no matter how bad things are, as only making it worse.

Sure X percent of our population is puking their internal organs out through their tearducts because of Herpasyphigonnalitis but at the least the government isn't rounding us up to put into death camps like we're brown children or something.

And no the cognitive dissonance that it is "their" preferred government in power doesn't matter to them. And no the fact that they happily accept government power and overreach in other scenarios doesn't matter to them either.

As said the Right has created a mindspace for themselves where they elect incompetent or evil people into power as proof that the government doesn't work and are applying it only when it works for them and regardless of how little sense that makes to us it's how they are operating mentally right now.

We see it here on this board all the time. How many times have various certain someones argued either in the subtext or the outright text that Trump breaking the government is either a good thing or a just punishment on us becoming too dependant on government to do things?

As weird as it seems much like his evil for Trump his incompetence is a feature, not a bug. And, as crazy as it seems, him screwing up might work in his favor.

It's how things work in a post-facts world. If you argue something doesn't work and someone argues that it does, just break it so you're right and there is a number of people who that mentality makes perfect sense to.
One doesn't even need to break it themselves. Just assert that someone else will read it- and therefore it has less merit than not attempting to achieve its' function at all.

After all, If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.
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Old 6th March 2020, 08:06 AM   #115
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It is sort of amazing that the Right has created a paradigm for themselves where they control the Presidency, the Senate, the Supreme Court, most state Governorships, most state legislators, basically the only thing the Left has is a simple majority in the House, and they still, somehow, maintain the illusion to themselves that government is inherently corrupt and bad and no mental gears ever grind.

"We have all the power, but we need more power to stop the government, of which we are the overwhelming part of, from using it's corrupt power to hurt us."

You used the "Only outlaws will have guns" metaphor but it's worse than even that. This is like buying a gun to protect yourself from your own gun because you're afraid you might shoot yourself with it, so you buy another gun to protect you from the first gun... also held by you.

Right now the Right is both the gun salesman telling you that you just have to buy a gun for self protection and the burglar breaking into your house and they aren't even trying to hide it or deny it.
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Old 6th March 2020, 08:11 AM   #116
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I think the Dems are being given a golden opportunity by Trump's inept handling of the Corona Virus. Hammer him for incompetence. I think he is vulnerable there.
Americans who might tolerate a corrupt, bigoted President might well draw a line on an incompetent one.
Trump, by his statements that this is no big deal, is in a political sense freerolling.

If the pandemic fizzles out, he looks like the guy who didn't panic and knew better than the experts so people should listen to him about other liberal BS.

Attacking him about his incompetence backfires either way. If it fizzles out they look really stupid because he knew things they didn't. If it gets bad, Trump can claim it was because the Democrats played politics by attacking him instead of helping.

Trump stumbles into this stuff like a political Mr. Magoo.
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Old 6th March 2020, 08:16 AM   #117
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It's why Trump is keeping the Deep State card primed and ready to play, since his actual political rivals now have actual levels of applicable political power somewhere between a Boy Scout Troop and an American Legion Post he has to be able to invoke some shadow cabal of off the grid government agents who are "holding him back."

It's "Corrupt Government of the Gaps" basically.

Which is not a good sign because when people in power purge the government of effective opposition but need to maintain the "We'd be doing everything perfectly but they won't let us" narrative they have to start making up the "theys" to be the enemy and that rarely leads to unicorn rainbow sprinkles on clouds of cotton candy.
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Old 6th March 2020, 08:28 AM   #118
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Marvel at every one of the geniuses involved with the fluster cluck at MSNbC.
https://twitter.com/cbouzy/status/12...850675200?s=21
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Marvel at every one of the geniuses involved with the fluster cluck at MSNbC.
https://twitter.com/cbouzy/status/12...850675200?s=21
Don't worry, Gell-Mann amnesia will kick in soon enough.
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That's why the ideal Dem nominee is Al Franken. He could make up jokes about Trump that would drive him crazy like he did with Limbaugh. I can just see one of those one-on-one debates where Franken rips off a one-liner and Trump gets red in the face and sputters around the room for the rest of the evening.

*sigh* One can only dream. Fer Chriss-sake, Al, hitch up your big-boy pants and get back in the game.
After the way they treated him last time, I'm not sure he'd want to go back. Also, it's likely he's still seen as tainted goods by a lot of people.
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