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Old 26th March 2020, 04:07 PM   #1761
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
We would have a low death count right now if Hillary was President.
I'm not really sure about that, but I am sure we would have a more accurate one and be able to trust the White House to tell us the facts.
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Old 26th March 2020, 04:26 PM   #1762
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
We would have a low death count right now if Hillary was President.
Counter-factuals are very hard to asses. But yes, since I think almost literally anyone is more competent than Trump, and I see very strong link between competence of leader and successful response to COVID-19, I do think we would have less infected and died at same point of time with almost anybody else, including Hillary.
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Old 26th March 2020, 04:44 PM   #1763
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Our great Oil & Gas industry is under under seige after having one of the best years in recorded history. It will get better than ever as soon as our Country starts up again. Vital that it does for our National Security!
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Old 26th March 2020, 04:45 PM   #1764
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best years in recorded history!!
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Old 26th March 2020, 04:54 PM   #1765
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
We would have a low death count right now if Hillary was President.
I’m not sure if the argument behind your sarcasm is that the Trump administration is doing the best that can be done or that the Hillary Clinton administration would be equally inept.

Any chance you’ll clarify your position with evidence to back it up?

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Old 26th March 2020, 04:58 PM   #1766
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I think Trump's gut feeling is that his current standing in the polls will vanish the longer the crisis lasts, and he is scared it might be beyond his control.
He's obviously trying to put a spin on it. And that will work with most if not just about all of his base. A reporter asks him about 'people on both sides of the aisle questioning whether Easter is too optimistic for the restrictions to be lifted,' is he saying Easter because of concern about being reelected? Trump starts blathering about "fake news." An obvious evasion but one that will play on social media among his supporters.

I think he knows -- or has been advised -- that if he responds and gives a serious answer, even if only to deny his reelection plays a major role in his decision-making, that would be seen as legitimizing the criticism. That WON'T play well on social media. At least not on Trump's social media.

Appears that there is some method to the madness.
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Old 26th March 2020, 05:04 PM   #1767
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
Any chance you’ll clarify your position with evidence to back it up?
Hillary would have done it right and we would have a low death count. Sorry I don't have a link.
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Old 26th March 2020, 05:18 PM   #1768
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Originally Posted by Mader Levap View Post
Counter-factuals are very hard to asses. But yes, since I think almost literally anyone is more competent than Trump, and I see very strong link between competence of leader and successful response to COVID-19, I do think we would have less infected and died at same point of time with almost anybody else, including Hillary.

The only thing a leader would need to have done, to do better than Trump has done, was listen to the people who were telling him that this was going to be a problem. If everything that's been done in the last two or three weeks, in terms of developing test kits, finding new sources for PPE, and ventilators, had started in January when Trump got the first serious warnings, the US, and probably everyone else, would be in a far better position then we are.

And that doesn't even touch on what else could have been done. Just getting a head start on those three items would have been enough to elevate the response to "competent".
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Old 26th March 2020, 05:25 PM   #1769
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Hillary would have done it right and we would have a low death count. Sorry I don't have a link.
You know what, my bad. I forgot that there was a third option.

Edited by zooterkin:  <SNIP>
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Old 26th March 2020, 05:32 PM   #1770
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
Hard to believe. This story started coming out this afternoon (U.S. time):
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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says Canada is in talks with the United States in hopes of avoiding the deployment of American soldiers along their shared border. Trudeau says it is in the best interests of both countries that the world’s longest unmilitarized border remain that way. The comments follow a Global News report that the Trump administration is considering whether to deploy troops to intercept anyone trying to enter the U.S. illegally from Canada

WTH?
Far more likely that US citizens will enter Canada illegally from the USA than the other way round. Trump is not even tangentially impinging on reality.
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Old 26th March 2020, 05:34 PM   #1771
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
You know what, my bad. I forgot that there was a third option.

Edited by zooterkin:  <SNIP>
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I voted for that chick and you could at least allow me to say that she would have a low death count right now. I don't have evidence that I can link to.

Edited by zooterkin:  <SNIP>
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Old 26th March 2020, 06:20 PM   #1772
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best years in recorded history!!
How many billion barrels of oil did the Romans ever drill?
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Old 26th March 2020, 06:41 PM   #1773
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
I voted for that chick and you could at least allow me to say that she would have a low death count right now. I don't have evidence that I can link to.

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I apologize if I mistook sincerity for sarcasm.

What specifically do think the Trump administration is doing wrong that the Hillary Clinton administration would have done correctly?

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Old 26th March 2020, 06:58 PM   #1774
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
best years in recorded history!!
You gotta figure that GWBush is just shaking his head.
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Old 26th March 2020, 07:00 PM   #1775
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Officials inside the Trump White House have been discussing deploying U.S. troops to the Canadian border to intercept people crossing the border illegally.
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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau confirmed the news while giving his daily briefing to reporters from Rideau Cottage, acknowledging that conversations are taking place. Link
Asked about the plan during what has become a daily Covid-19 press conference, Trump -- looking drawn and tired -- not only confirmed the plan but said troops are already stationed along the U.S.-Canada border.
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“We have very strong deployments on the southern border, as you know, Mexico, and we have some troops up in Canada, but I’ll find out about that,” he said. “I guess it’s equal justice to a certain extent, but in Canada we do have troops along the border.” Trump then mentioned trade with Canada and how the U.S. doesn’t “like steel coming through our border.” Link
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Old 26th March 2020, 07:05 PM   #1776
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Far more likely that US citizens will enter Canada illegally from the USA than the other way round. Trump is not even tangentially impinging on reality.
Truly.
The whole "walls keep people in as well as out" meme is a bit closer to reflecting practical reality than it was last year.
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Old 26th March 2020, 07:14 PM   #1777
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“We have very strong deployments on the southern border, as you know, Mexico, and we have some troops up in Canada, but I’ll find out about that,”
That's quite honest for Trump. What happened to him knowing everything better than everyone else? Now he doesn't know what his army is doing?
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Old 26th March 2020, 07:15 PM   #1778
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You gotta figure that GWBush is just shaking his head.
Don't you think he's ecstatic at being bumped off the worst POTUS ever spot?
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From the other thread:

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Our lockdown in Guatemala has been officially extended for another 30 days from March 31st. No word on our current 4 pm to 4AM curfew. Man, I don't know if I can survive another motnh with no work. Not like we get $1200 checks from the gov't down here.
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This "per capita" thing isn't something limited to Trump lovers or Trump haters. The day before yesterday, Trump bragged about testing numbers saying we had done a lot more than South Korea. He's right. But the press jumped over the fact that, per capita, South Korea was still way ahead, and that's probably the biggest factor in why they have fewer cases, per capita or not.

People spin statistics to make their position look better.

Regardless whether we are 1st or 3rd or whose data is more accurate, if the things that are being done now to get the private sector involved in medical supply production had been done at the beginning of February instead of the middle of March, would wouldn't have the highest disease count, no matter how you measure it.
Not to mention Trump is lying about the number of tests we are doing. I think he just makes numbers up.

NPR today: FACT CHECK: Testing Not Meeting Demand Despite Trump's Boasts
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"We are testing tremendous numbers of people," Trump said. "We're doing tremendous testing."

The reality is that the availability of testing in the United States lags far behind the demand, with some areas limiting testing to only those sick people whose treatment decisions require knowing whether or not they are infected with the coronavirus.
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Old 26th March 2020, 07:18 PM   #1780
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
I apologize if I mistook sincerity for sarcasm.

What specifically do think the Trump administration is doing wrong that the Hillary Clinton administration would have done correctly?
I don't like politics at all and I don't like to discuss them. I don't like any of the political parties. I avoid reading about politics and don't watch hardly any of it on television.

I'm the wrong person to be asking for any details about politics and certainly not specifics.

I just feel that she would have a low death count doing whatever she would do.

I want Tulsi Gabbard to be the next President because she seems cool and I heard she is for National Parks and wildlife refuges.

But no matter who is President I won't read about them or watch them much. I don't like politics at all.
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Old 26th March 2020, 07:33 PM   #1782
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You might no be interested in politics, but politics is very interested in you.
That is terrifying.
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Old 26th March 2020, 07:44 PM   #1783
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Old 26th March 2020, 07:53 PM   #1784
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
I apologize if I mistook sincerity for sarcasm.

What specifically do think the Trump administration is doing wrong that the Hillary Clinton administration would have done correctly?
Perhaps the fact that she would have had a team of real experts and advisers, an would have LISTENED to them rather than think that she knew everything. That itself might have been enough.
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I feel like you're contributing to the insanity.
Damn right. Anybody that starts talking about politics is nuts. Some are temporarily insane and some are permanently. I don't really like religion or politics or sports. But the world is densely populated by people who are fanatical about any or all of those. I don't fit in.

I liked that we had a black President and I wanted that to be followed by a female President. Oh well.

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We don't need no stinking ventilators...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...navirus-151311
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
I apologize if I mistook sincerity for sarcasm.

What specifically do think the Trump administration is doing wrong that the Hillary Clinton administration would have done correctly?
Ramped up test and PPE production no later than February 1.

Yes, I believe almost anyone except Trump would have done that.
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Ramped up test and PPE production no later than February 1.

Yes, I believe almost anyone except Trump would have done that.
And most would listen to intelligence briefings that warned of the coming pandemic.
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Old 26th March 2020, 08:22 PM   #1789
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You might no be interested in politics, but politics is very interested in you.
Pericles?
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/194...st-in-politics

Or Trotsky?
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/152...war-but-war-is
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We don't need no stinking ventilators...



https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...navirus-151311
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Speaking with Sean Hannity on Fox News on Thursday night, Trump again minimized the impact of the global coronavirus pandemic, casting doubt on the need for tens of thousands of ventilators for hospitals responding to the crisis.

“I have a feeling that a lot of the numbers that are being said in some areas are just bigger than they’re going to be,” he said. “I don't believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators. You go into major hospitals sometimes, and they’ll have two ventilators. And now all of a sudden they’re saying, ‘Can we order 30,000 ventilators?’”
Trump can spot a scam a mile away.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
We don't need no stinking ventilators...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...navirus-151311
I read this, and it induces a genuine sort of despair.

ETA: And I think, "That's going to be another campaign commercial." but the theme of that campaign commercial is that he undersupplied ventilators, and people died, and people will be outraged and they will collectively say, "Take that, Donald! Now you have to move back to the top of your skyscraper!"

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And most would listen to intelligence briefings that warned of the coming pandemic.
Give him a break: even if Trump had listened to briefings, they'd only have inspired him to sell off some stocks. It's not like he'd have done anything to benefit the nation, so it's the same difference.
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It's going to be like the Californian wildfires as long as urban/blue areas are most affected. He's just a transparently vile human being.
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That has nothing to do with the question at hand. Even if Trump thought it was absolutely a hoax, the ad could still be false.
If every ad that "could be false" deserved a cease-and-desist letter, we have to cut down all the trees in Canada tp print them all.
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I read this, and it induces a genuine sort of despair.

ETA: And I think, "That's going to be another campaign commercial." but the theme of that campaign commercial is that he undersupplied ventilators, and people died, and people will be outraged and they will collectively say, "Take that, Donald! Now you have to move back to the top of your skyscraper!"
He is pathetic. Out of one side of his putrid piehole he bitches about Obama leaving them unsupplied and unprepared for something like this, yet he imagines that 400 or even 4000 ventilators are going to be enough. All he need do is look to Spain and Italy to realize he's wrong, but he's far too bullheaded. Pig ignorant in fact.

ETA: Here's what a real leader says. "I trust the experts; if they say they need more ventilators, I say 'How many?' We'll do whatever is necessary to save lives. This is our duty."

Instead we have a whiny bitch.
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Trying to use President Trumps words against him is a silly distraction.
I disagree. Using someone else's words is dismissed as TDS or fake news. Using his own words in an ad that nicely combines his words and easily understood graphics has some persuasive potential. It's worth the effort.
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
You know what, my bad. I forgot that there was a third option.

Edited by zooterkin:  <SNIP>
Edited for rule 0 and rule 12.
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I wonder what trolling you were seeing here?

As he said, Hillary fairly certainly would have done a good job - for all her flaws, she is a very competent woman who actually pays attention to the expert scientists and it's exceedingly unlikely that she would have sabotaged the US' ability to respond. In recognition of this, the death count and damage done would fairly certainly be much lower.

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I apologize if I mistook sincerity for sarcasm.

What specifically do think the Trump administration is doing wrong that the Hillary Clinton administration would have done correctly?
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Ramped up test and PPE production no later than February 1.

Yes, I believe almost anyone except Trump would have done that.
Given Hillary, probably notably sooner, especially given that the first confirmed case in the US was January 20, the lessons learned and recency of H1N1, and that there would have actually been time to prepare in advance. As in... early January or sooner would be a fairly likely time for preparations to begin in earnest, albeit not necessarily the ramping up itself so much as making sure that everything was ready to be ramped up, preparing and sending out guidance, be working to make sure that the testing was working and that we had a decent initial amount, etc. Containment (aka severely slowing the spread from the start and keeping it to easily manageable levels with some localized lockdowns as needed) would be... rather likely, honestly.



To poke elsewhere, Kentucky Republicans haven't stopped with their DDS reaction to having a Democratic Governor.

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In fact, the Republican legislature gave serious consideration to simply overturning the election, and in the last two weeks have gone after him with no less than four bills that would remove Beshear’s ability to issue executive orders, take away the salaries of executive branch workers, give the Senate veto power over Beshear’s most trivial appointments, and making it easier to sue the governor for his actions. And the reason they’re doing this is clear enough. It's because Beshear isn’t doing a good job handling the COVID-19 crisis … he’s doing a great job.

At the start of the month, the Lexington Herald Leader covered how Senate Republicans were piling on Beshear in an attempt to undermine his authority at every turn. That may have come at a point where the threat posed by the coronavirus was still just becoming apparent for many state legislators, but Republicans have continued to push through three bills as the crisis continues, and they’ve introduced more. That includes a bill expressly allowing Beshear to be sued by any business or individual who thinks his executive orders in dealing with the coronavirus “infringe on liberty or interfere with commerce.”
Oh, holy ****. WTF? I really, really hope the people of Kentucky and the courts deliver a very firm rebuke to that BS.
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How long has Obama been out of office? Was it about the time of the biggest inauguration crowd ever?
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Reporter calls Trump out TO HIS FACE for re-opening country to help in election


At about :55 he starts bashing Paula Reed and other fake news reporters, then brags that no other administration has done the job they've done (I agree!) and then says it's lucky that we have them for this problem OR WE WOULDN'T HAVE A COUNTRY LEFT.

Nah, he's not nuts.
Several people in that video also talk about losing the country or that it will not be recognizable if we don't open it up.

What the hell does that even mean? Will the Constitution get the virus and keel over? If the market tanks will Wall Street turn into a dirt road? It's just mindless drivel with zero content.
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
I don't like politics at all and I don't like to discuss them. I don't like any of the political parties. I avoid reading about politics and don't watch hardly any of it on television.<snip>
IOW, you don't give a **** about the direction your country takes. Got it ... but I have to wonder why you're posting fantasy speculation in a politics thread then.

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I get trolled whenever I talk politics here.
More meaningless posting. What does it mean to be "trolled"? How do you distinguish "trolling" from criticism? Or fact checking? Or just disagreeing? Or even compliments?

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