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Old 23rd October 2017, 07:05 AM   #1
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Is this the most confounding double speak from a conspiracy theorist ever?

Linking to a post in a local forum in South Africa. The thread's topic generally revolves around Donal Trump, it does get side tracked. The current side track is on conspiracy theory.

Link to the central post that has blown my mind. Follow back with what Xarog is saying and tell me, is this guy serious? Am I missing the point? What is he getting at?

https://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...1#post20594722
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Old 23rd October 2017, 07:18 AM   #2
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He appears to be saying that nobody can truly know anything, therefore it's equally valid to believe that the Apollo landings never happened, 9/11 was a US government conspiracy and thirty-seven people simultaneously shot JFK as to believe that Apollo landed, 9/11 was a terrorist attack and Oswald was the only shooter, provided your beliefs aren't internally self-contradictory. It's basically the outright solipsist view of conspiracism, because his underlying assertion is that it's a belief system to believe that there is such a thing as evidence. Probably the best response is to analyse what he believes, if he's honest enough to state it, and point out where it's internally contradictory. With any luck he'll tie himself up in knots trying to resolve the contradictions, and anybody reading his posts critically will see it.

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Old 23rd October 2017, 09:25 AM   #3
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Solipsistic or sloppiest?
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Old 23rd October 2017, 10:55 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by buka001 View Post
Linking to a post in a local forum in South Africa. The thread's topic generally revolves around Donal Trump, it does get side tracked. The current side track is on conspiracy theory.

Link to the central post that has blown my mind. Follow back with what Xarog is saying and tell me, is this guy serious? Am I missing the point? What is he getting at?

https://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...1#post20594722
He explains his argument better in his next post:

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"The idea that you should only believe things that you have evidence for is a belief that you adopted without any evidence. Therefore you are stipulating a standard of behaviour which you yourself do not meet. The conspiracy theorist makes no such stipulation. Therefore their process is internally coherent, but yours is not."
Believing that evidence is necessary is a logical contradiction to him because you don't have evidence for that claim.

As Dave Rogers explains above, it's solipsism.

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Old 23rd October 2017, 05:26 PM   #5
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In my case the "best" "doublespeak" argument I ever heard from a CT was that the fact there was no convincing evidence for the existence of Bigfoot was evidence for both Bigfoot and the conspiracy to supress the evidence.
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Old 23rd October 2017, 05:35 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by HSienzant View Post
He explains his argument better in his next post:



Believing that evidence is necessary is a logical contradiction to him because you don't have evidence for that claim.

As Dave Rogers explains above, it's solipsism.

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Why is it solipsism?

It's a kind of pathological skepticism, I suppose, which is akin to the reasoning behind solipsism, but it doesn't seem the same to me.
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Old 23rd October 2017, 05:49 PM   #7
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In my case the "best" "doublespeak" argument I ever heard from a CT was that the fact there was no convincing evidence for the existence of Bigfoot was evidence for both Bigfoot and the conspiracy to supress the evidence.
Yeah, but you have to keep in mind the mentality of the types of people who say this kind of stuff. I mean, they are the very same people who run around in their local wilderness, at night, making ridiculous sounds which they think are "Bigfoot Calls", and who,when they get a reply, DON'T realise that they are coming from another person, who is also running around in the same local wilderness, at night, making what they think are "Bigfoot Calls".
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Old 23rd October 2017, 07:55 PM   #8
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Skepticism itself is based on logic from principles, not evidence.
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