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Old 6th April 2014, 08:42 PM   #361
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Originally Posted by Janadele View Post
"Obama / Soetoro’s step grandmother, Sara Obama, granted an interview with two [2] ministers, one [1] at her home in Kenya and the other in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania; she stated in Swahili that she, Sara Obama, was in the hospital on August 4, 1961 when Obama was born... in Mumbai, Kenya, Africa – therefore, Obama is not “natural born” and therefore cannot be eligible to be President." http://www.obamacrimes.com/
Too bad for you, and others who hate him, the President of the United States of America, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii, with the full documentation to prove it.

Not only that, His mother was a citizen of the USA.

You fail. Again.
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Old 6th April 2014, 08:43 PM   #362
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Originally Posted by Janadele View Post
"Obama / Soetoro’s step grandmother, Sara Obama, granted an interview with two [2] ministers, one [1] at her home in Kenya and the other in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania; she stated in Swahili that she, Sara Obama, was in the hospital on August 4, 1961 when Obama was born... in Mumbai, Kenya, Africa – therefore, Obama is not “natural born” and therefore cannot be eligible to be President." http://www.obamacrimes.com/
Maybe you should not repeat lies told by liars:

http://www.thefogbow.com/birther-cla...born-in-kenya/

"The tape was made under false pretenses, by people who believed that Obama was born in Kenya and tried to trap Sarah Obama. Sarah Obama was asked (via translator as she doesn't speak English) if she was present in Kenya when Obama was born. That was translated as "where you here in Kenya when Obama was born?", not were you in the same place as Obama when he was born. The next question made clear the error -- Was he born in Mombasa? Answer -- “No! Obama was not born in Mombasa!” She insisted that Obama was born in Hawaii. Repeatedly. The full tape makes that clear, the tape that was posted on youtube ended abruptly after the original question. She never said she was proud to be at his birth, she never said she held him, she never says she was in the same place."
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Old 6th April 2014, 08:49 PM   #363
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Originally Posted by Janadele View Post
No matter how hard, loud, or unethically the supporters of the agendas behind the Obama presidency try to suppress the FACTS... the TRUTH remains clear, simple, obvious and available to all of ANY intelligence who are able to read... that the person occupying the Presidency of the United States of America is ineligible to do so!
Ineligible by a fluid standard that you make up as you go along and lie to support.

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Many who recognise the truth do nothing for fear of retribution from the forces that are intent on destroying the US and its constitutional republican form of government and replacing it with a socialist dictatorship / global government.
Many? You birthers are a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of an obscure and psychotic radical end of the political spectrum.
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Old 6th April 2014, 08:50 PM   #364
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Originally Posted by Shalamar View Post
Also true. Many seem to be upset at this, though.
Well, duh! This crowd is thinking: "who gave her shoes? let alone citizenship of the USA!"
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Incorrect... the shoe is on the other foot.
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Old 6th April 2014, 08:52 PM   #366
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"Obama / Soetoro’s step grandmother, Sara Obama, granted an interview with two [2] ministers, one [1] at her home in Kenya and the other in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania; she stated in Swahili that she, Sara Obama, was in the hospital on August 4, 1961 when Obama was born... in Mumbai, Kenya, Africa – therefore, Obama is not “natural born” and therefore cannot be eligible to be President." http://www.obamacrimes.com/
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Old 6th April 2014, 08:55 PM   #367
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Originally Posted by Janadele View Post
"Obama / Soetoro’s step grandmother, Sara Obama, granted an interview with two [2] ministers, one [1] at her home in Kenya and the other in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania; she stated in Swahili that she, Sara Obama, was in the hospital on August 4, 1961 when Obama was born... in Mumbai, Kenya, Africa – therefore, Obama is not “natural born” and therefore cannot be eligible to be President." http://www.obamacrimes.com/
Repeating a lie, that is all Birthers have.
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Originally Posted by Janadele View Post
Incorrect... the shoe is on the other foot.
Don't worry. I'm pretty certain President Barack Obama will be forced to give up the presidency in 2016.
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Old 6th April 2014, 08:56 PM   #369
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Originally Posted by Janadele View Post
"Obama / Soetoro’s step grandmother, Sara Obama, granted an interview with two [2] ministers, one [1] at her home in Kenya and the other in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania; she stated in Swahili that she, Sara Obama, was in the hospital on August 4, 1961 when Obama was born... in Mumbai, Kenya, Africa – therefore, Obama is not “natural born” and therefore cannot be eligible to be President." http://www.obamacrimes.com/
Doesn't your religion say something about bearing false witness?
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Old 6th April 2014, 09:21 PM   #370
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Originally Posted by Janadele View Post
"Obama / Soetoro’s step grandmother, Sara Obama, granted an interview with two [2] ministers, one [1] at her home in Kenya and the other in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania; she stated in Swahili that she, Sara Obama, was in the hospital on August 4, 1961 when Obama was born... in Mumbai, Kenya, Africa – therefore, Obama is not “natural born” and therefore cannot be eligible to be President." http://www.obamacrimes.com/
interesting company you're keeping there...
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Old 6th April 2014, 09:29 PM   #371
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Originally Posted by Janadele View Post
Incorrect... the shoe is on the other foot.
Nope. No matter how much you stomp and whine, the state of Hawaii has several times certified the President's birth there. 200+ court cases in the U.S. attempting to challenge it have been dismissed or decided according to the facts in the President's favor. The President's eligibility was certified by the secretaries of state of all fifty U.S. states, and has been conceded as fact by the opposing political party.

Some people just don't know when to give up.
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Old 6th April 2014, 10:29 PM   #372
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. . . a book jacket blurb . . .
Just to clarify this point, it was not a book jacket blurb but "a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991 (for circulation within the publishing industry only)".
Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...P8JIdqiw7is.99

This is a few years before his book was published.
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Old 6th April 2014, 10:59 PM   #373
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Or read the previous thread, where it was covered in depth.
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Old 6th April 2014, 11:06 PM   #374
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Originally Posted by Janadele View Post
"Obama / Soetoro’s step grandmother, Sara Obama, granted an interview with two [2] ministers, one [1] at her home in Kenya and the other in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania; she stated in Swahili that she, Sara Obama, was in the hospital on August 4, 1961 when Obama was born... in Mumbai, Kenya, Africa – therefore, Obama is not “natural born” and therefore cannot be eligible to be President." http://www.obamacrimes.com/
Well, in no particular order...
1. No such interview ever took place.
2. Mumbai is in India.
3. You are Australian, and live in Australia so your position is irrelevant.
4. Obama will shortly be the former president, so all of this is moot.
5. The author of the publisher blurb has stated on the record that it was in error, as has been pointed out in this very thread before you posted your copypasta.

Let us cut to the chase. Your posts got NOTHING correct and recycled outright lies.
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Old 6th April 2014, 11:16 PM   #375
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2. Mumbai is in India.
Indeed, and I have friends there. I also have friends in Mombasa, which is the town in Kenya most Birthers allege Obama to have been born in.

Janadelle can be partially forgiven because the site she uncritically copies from says "Mumbai, Kenya, Africa," and so is the more proximate author of the error. So while the geographically illiterate Birther webmasters are to blame, an actual critical thinker (and not just a mindless copier of rubbish) would probably stop and think, "Wait, isn't Mumbai actually in India?"
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Indeed, and I have friends there. I also have friends in Mombasa, which is the town in Kenya most Birthers allege Obama to have been born in.

Janadelle can be partially forgiven because the site she uncritically copies from says "Mumbai, Kenya, Africa," and so is the more proximate author of the error. So while the geographically illiterate Birther webmasters are to blame, an actual critical thinker (and not just a mindless copier of rubbish) would probably stop and think, "Wait, isn't Mumbai actually in India?"
I am not so forgiving, given that the article is by one Philip J. Berg, currently suspended for misonduct, and recycles all of the birther buffoonery previously dealt with.
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How many different names is President Obama legally authorised to use? Barack Hussein Obama II, Barack Hussein Obama, Barack Obama Jr., Barry Soetoro or Barack Hussein Obama Soebarkah?
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I had long thought that there was no way to make birtherism any sillier.

I was wrong.
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I'm willing to bet that Janadele can't tell us which of Obama's documents bears the "Soebarkah" name
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Is disbarred lawyer Berg really recycling all these old and long-debunked lies? What a sad, sad existence he must live.

Janadele, I had thought lying was a sin against the god in whom you believe. Promulgating another person's lies when the correct information is easily available is no less of a lie.
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Originally Posted by Janadele View Post
"Obama / Soetoro’s step grandmother, Sara Obama, granted an interview with two [2] ministers, one [1] at her home in Kenya and the other in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania; she stated in Swahili that she, Sara Obama, was in the hospital on August 4, 1961 when Obama was born... in Mumbai, Kenya, Africa – therefore, Obama is not “natural born” and therefore cannot be eligible to be President." http://www.obamacrimes.com/
Mumbai is a city in India formerly known as Bombay.
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Not only that, His mother was a citizen of the USA.

This.

Janadele, what do you have to say about this fact?

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This.

Janadele, what do you have to say about this fact?
That it is not a fact.

Instead, the fact is that if only one parent is a U.S. citizen at the time of birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which being after the age of 16. Barack Obama's mother was only 18, not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. citizenship.
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
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Obama will shortly be the former president, so all of this is moot.
as has been pointed out in this very thread before you posted...
My thread was merged with this thread... this is not the thread my original posts were posted to.

Regardless of whether he is in office or not, all Obama has authorised remains illegal.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4TrX2jLomI

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Originally Posted by Janadele View Post
My thread was merged with this thread... this is not the thread my original posts were posted to.

Regardless of whether he is in office or not, all Obama has authorised remains illegal.
Post number 383, and still willfully wrong.
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I think your "M" key is stuck. Oh, and you accidentally linked to some crazy vague talk show on Youtube.
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No, not crazy nor accidental...
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I'm willing to bet that Janadele can't tell us which of Obama's documents bears the "Soebarkah" name
Jerome Corsi, WND.com
"Documents released by the State Department in two separate Freedom of Information Act requests bolster evidence Barack Obama became a citizen of Indonesia when he moved to the Southeast Asian nation with his mother and stepfather in the late 1960s. In a passport amendment submitted Aug. 13, 1968, Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, identified her son with an Indonesian surname and asked the State Department to drop him from her U.S. passport. The transaction could have been part of an effort by Dunham to obtain Indonesian citizenship for her son. It took place before the State Department began requiring all citizens traveling abroad, regardless of age, to obtain their own passport. Several court cases challenging Obama's presidential eligiblity have argued he gave up his U.S. citizenship in Indonesia and used an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan in the early 1980s. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. The amendment was submitted less than a year after Dunham joined her second husband, Lolo Soetoro, in Indonesia. It requested "Barack Obama II (Soebarkah)" be removed from her U.S. passport, No. 777788."


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Jerome Corsi, WND.com
Yeah, I stopped reading there. If you don't know by now that Jerome Corsi is a crackpot of the first order, then you have bigger problems than believing some crazy conspiracy theory concerning the lawfully elected President of a country you don't live in and don't even like.
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Repeating a lie, that is all Birthers have.
Yes, they seem unable to even manage a new lie.
Pathetic really.

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Don't worry. I'm pretty certain President Barack Obama will be forced to give up the presidency in 2016.
Oh I predict he'll still be in office in 2017.
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News for you all WNDS tripe was debunked way way back when it started.
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Originally Posted by Janadele View Post
"Obama / Soetoro’s step grandmother, Sara Obama, granted an interview with two [2] ministers, one [1] at her home in Kenya and the other in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania; she stated in Swahili that she, Sara Obama, was in the hospital on August 4, 1961 when Obama was born... in Mumbai, Kenya, Africa – therefore, Obama is not “natural born” and therefore cannot be eligible to be President." http://www.obamacrimes.com/
Bull crap. Stop lying. Stop spreading lies. Stop trying to convince people that you're not lying. He's the president now, has been for quite some time actually, and will leave office in January 2017, after his term, like all presidents before him have.

Move on.
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John McCain, who ran against Obama in 2008, was born in Panama. Oddly, I don't remember anyone making a fuss about it.
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John McCain was born of citizens of the US, living in US military facilities in Panama.
You didn't understand the point of the previous couple of posts. If one or both of your parents are U.S. Citizens, you could be born in Havana and you're still a U.S. citizen.

See that nice Asian-looking kid in my avatar. Thai mommy, born in Hong Kong (China! OMG! Commies!) and raised thus far in Thailand. He's never set foot in the USA, unless you count the U.S. Consulates in Hong Kong and Bangkok as "part of the USA". He's a U.S. Citizen, 'cuz his daddy's a U.S. Citizen. He has a passport and social security card. I'm looking for a latter-day Frank Davis so he can be President one day.

So the point is,... if Obama was born in Kenya of a U.S. parent.... he would be a U.S. Citizen and eligible to be the POTUS. The people kicking this dead horse around are just doing so because Kenya sounds, well, .... so dark, eh?
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My thread was merged with this thread... this is not the thread my original posts were posted to.

Regardless of whether he is in office or not, all Obama has authorised remains illegal.
Where is Mumbai, Janadele?

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Crank youtube provided without description or summary or any reason to waste time with it.

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No, not crazy nor accidental...
You mean you are intentionally posting crank videos and websites?
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Jerome Corsi, WND.com
"Documents released by the State Department in two separate Freedom of Information Act requests bolster evidence Barack Obama became a citizen of Indonesia when he moved to the Southeast Asian nation with his mother and stepfather in the late 1960s. In a passport amendment submitted Aug. 13, 1968, Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, identified her son with an Indonesian surname and asked the State Department to drop him from her U.S. passport. The transaction could have been part of an effort by Dunham to obtain Indonesian citizenship for her son. It took place before the State Department began requiring all citizens traveling abroad, regardless of age, to obtain their own passport. Several court cases challenging Obama's presidential eligiblity have argued he gave up his U.S. citizenship in Indonesia and used an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan in the early 1980s. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. The amendment was submitted less than a year after Dunham joined her second husband, Lolo Soetoro, in Indonesia. It requested "Barack Obama II (Soebarkah)" be removed from her U.S. passport, No. 777788."

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A crank on a crank website. I guess you are intentionally posting crank websites and videos.
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Originally Posted by Janadele View Post
Jerome Corsi, WND.com
Aaaaand instant fail.
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Old 7th April 2014, 06:16 AM   #396
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Originally Posted by Janadele View Post
Jerome Corsi, WND.com
"Documents released by the State Department in two separate Freedom of Information Act requests bolster evidence Barack Obama became a citizen of Indonesia when he moved to the Southeast Asian nation with his mother and stepfather in the late 1960s. In a passport amendment submitted Aug. 13, 1968, Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, identified her son with an Indonesian surname and asked the State Department to drop him from her U.S. passport. The transaction could have been part of an effort by Dunham to obtain Indonesian citizenship for her son. It took place before the State Department began requiring all citizens traveling abroad, regardless of age, to obtain their own passport. Several court cases challenging Obama's presidential eligiblity have argued he gave up his U.S. citizenship in Indonesia and used an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan in the early 1980s. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. The amendment was submitted less than a year after Dunham joined her second husband, Lolo Soetoro, in Indonesia. It requested "Barack Obama II (Soebarkah)" be removed from her U.S. passport, No. 777788."


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Geez...same old stuff, and round and round it goes with the stupid. From the U.S. Dept. of State, regarding "Loss of Citizenship and Nationality":
Quote:
Citizenship is a status that is personal to the U.S. citizen. Therefore parents may not renounce the citizenship of their minor children... Minors seeking to renounce their U.S. citizenship must demonstrate to a consular officer that they are acting voluntarily and that they fully understand the implications/consequences attendant to the renunciation of U.S. citizenship.
(my bold)
So, since Ms Dunham couldn't have renounced her son's citizenship for him, and there's no evidence- for the "demonstration" required- that he tried to do it for himself before he left Indonesia at the ripe old age of ten, what you have here is the usual nothing. You folks are getting desperate, aren't you?
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Old 7th April 2014, 06:32 AM   #397
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
Well, in no particular order...
1. No such interview ever took place.
2. Mumbai is in India.
3. You are Australian, and live in Australia so your position is irrelevant.
4. Obama will shortly be the former president, so all of this is moot.
5. The author of the publisher blurb has stated on the record that it was in error, as has been pointed out in this very thread before you posted your copypasta.

Let us cut to the chase. Your posts got NOTHING correct and recycled outright lies.
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Old 7th April 2014, 06:39 AM   #398
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Originally Posted by Janadele View Post
Jerome Corsi, WND.com
"Documents released by the State Department in two separate Freedom of Information Act requests bolster evidence Barack Obama became a citizen of Indonesia when he moved to the Southeast Asian nation with his mother and stepfather in the late 1960s. In a passport amendment submitted Aug. 13, 1968, Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, identified her son with an Indonesian surname and asked the State Department to drop him from her U.S. passport. The transaction could have been part of an effort by Dunham to obtain Indonesian citizenship for her son. It took place before the State Department began requiring all citizens traveling abroad, regardless of age, to obtain their own passport. Several court cases challenging Obama's presidential eligiblity have argued he gave up his U.S. citizenship in Indonesia and used an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan in the early 1980s. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. The amendment was submitted less than a year after Dunham joined her second husband, Lolo Soetoro, in Indonesia. It requested "Barack Obama II (Soebarkah)" be removed from her U.S. passport, No. 777788."


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Old 7th April 2014, 06:46 AM   #399
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Originally Posted by Janadele View Post
Jerome Corsi, WND.com
"Documents released by the State Department in two separate Freedom of Information Act requests bolster evidence Barack Obama became a citizen of Indonesia when he moved to the Southeast Asian nation with his mother and stepfather in the late 1960s. In a passport amendment submitted Aug. 13, 1968, Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, identified her son with an Indonesian surname and asked the State Department to drop him from her U.S. passport. The transaction could have been part of an effort by Dunham to obtain Indonesian citizenship for her son. It took place before the State Department began requiring all citizens traveling abroad, regardless of age, to obtain their own passport. Several court cases challenging Obama's presidential eligiblity have argued he gave up his U.S. citizenship in Indonesia and used an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan in the early 1980s. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. The amendment was submitted less than a year after Dunham joined her second husband, Lolo Soetoro, in Indonesia. It requested "Barack Obama II (Soebarkah)" be removed from her U.S. passport, No. 777788.".
You could at least have provided a link to the source you cribbed that text from (http://www.wnd.com/2010/08/187813/). Indeed, Forum rules requires that.

Incidently, Indonesian law at the time didn't allow for adoptions of children over the age of 5 (Obama was 6 when he arrived in Indonesia), nor was adoption permitted if it resulted in a dual citizenship (US minors can't/couldn't lose citizenship through actions of their parents, nor can/could they lose it unless they prove to a US diplomatic official that they undestood the consequence of that action).

Most of the myths surrounding Obama's time in Indonesia are debunked here: http://www.thefogbow.com/birther-cla...-in-indonesia/
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Originally Posted by Janadele View Post
That it is not a fact.

Instead, the fact is that if only one parent is a U.S. citizen at the time of birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which being after the age of 16. Barack Obama's mother was only 18, not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. citizenship.
No. That isn't even remotely close to being U.S. law. I don't know where you're getting your "facts" but you need to warm up to the notion that all these Birther-invented "rules" for citizenship were tested in court, hundreds of times, and were rejected by every judge who heard them. If your first breath is drawn on U.S. soil, you're a natural-born U.S. citizen. There's even a Supreme Court case to solidify this.
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