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Old 27th October 2017, 04:38 PM   #241
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Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
Because there were about thirty of them,
Where were these 30 questions? I saw several in the written article that I quoted above.

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and it's not worth my time.
It should be. I don't see any evidence to support that you heard or read anywhere near 30 questions at all at that link.

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Why don't you make yourself useful and type them up?
The ones I heard when listening to the video are;
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1. Why was Campos allowed to leave?
2. Why is MGM clamping down on Campos?
3. What are the rules regarding security guard licenses?
4. Asks if law enforce knew who Paddock was.
1. As I claimed above, this is a stupid question because we're not North Korea or Cuba (prisons).
2. Stupid, no evidence there is.
3. Stupid, they can look it up themselves.
4. Maybe not stupid. But Carlson Tucker demonstrated he is a fool.
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Old 27th October 2017, 07:40 PM   #242
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Originally Posted by Ranb View Post
Where were these 30 questions? I saw several in the written article that I quoted above.
Actually, the original video I linked to had Tucker Carlson asking over 40 questions. I think a lot of it was mostly for effect, but there were a lot of good questions which I feel no need to enumerate since everyone has already been triggered enough. I'm sure law enforcement is asking a lot of these same questions. It would be foolish not to.
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Old 27th October 2017, 08:33 PM   #243
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Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
Actually, the original video I linked to had Tucker Carlson asking over 40 questions.
Yes he asks lots of questions. I typed them below. (my comments in parentheses)

1. Why was Compos allowed to leave the USA? (not a prison)
2. How did Compos manage to travel to Mexico with a wounded leg? (Maybe not that bad?)
3. Did he fly?
4. Did he drive?
5. Was his employer aware that he left the country? ( One again not a prison or a nanny state)
6. Were investigators aware? (Not his babysitters)
7. Did they facilitate the trip? (Probably not)
8. What day did Compos get to Mexico? (None of anyone's business)
9. How was he able to drive back for hundreds of miles to the border? (In a car?)
10. Why did he take a rental car instead of his own car? (Compos' business only?)
11. Why did it take a government leak for us to find out his trip was a pre-planned visit? (None of their business?)
12. Why is MGM controlling availability to Campos? (No evidence they are)
13. And shielding him from press inquiries? (Again no evidence)
14. Why did he appear with a co-worker at the interview? (Moral support?)
15. Why did Ellen ask only leading softball questions? (Because she is a softball host?)
16. Why did some many people go to so much trouble to shape the story of Compos? (Like Tucker Carlson is doing now?)
17. Compos in Mexico when ABC News talked to him? (Who cares?)
18. Did they know where he was when they talked to him? (Again who cares?)
19. What do we actually know about Compos? (We're most likely not going to find out from Carlson)
20. Is he really a licensed security guard? (Carlson can't find this out for himself?)
21. Why won't authorities answer basic questions about Compos? (They're investigating and don't have time for talking to every idiot who calls them I suppose)
22. Does Compus have a criminal record? (Why isn't Carlson telling us if he does or not?)
23. What exactly did he do for the hotel? (Sounds like he was part of security)
24. Had he ever had previous contact with Paddock? ( This is approaching libel)
25. How exactly was Compos injured? (Sounds like he was shot)
26. How could Compos have driven 700 miles after being shot with a Nato 5.56 round? (Dupe of #2)
27. How did Paddock get access to the hotel's freight elevator? (We might find out soon)
28. How many other hotel guests had that access? (Might find out soon)
29. Does hotel security footage show Paddock entering the elevator alone or with others? (Carlson is going to have to wait to find out like the rest of us)
30. Had he used the elevator before? (And wait some more)
31. If so, how often and why was he using that elevator? (And more)
32. Had Paddock ever appeared on the radar of the FBI? ( Probably not. I've got a lot more guns than Paddock probably has, some of which are NFA firearms; quite certain the FBI doesn't give a crap about me or the thousands of others like me.)
33. Nobody in law enforcement noticed him? (Why should they?)
34. Why did it take investigators nearly a month to to tell us about the missing hard drive? (Because they don't report to Carlson?)
35. Did they just find out themselves? (Wait and see)
36. What do we really know about Paddock and his family? (Why are you telling us, you're the pundit/reporter)
37. Was his brother's arrest on child porn charges related to this case? (As long as you're stretching, you can tell us)
38. How many family members does he have exactly? (Carlson doesn't know this why?)
39. Was he in regular contact with them? (ZZZZ)
40. Do they have any reason to believe he was planning an attack? (ask them yourself)
41. Where's his girlfriend? (Probably hiding from the press; smart girl)

He then goes on to say he's not going to speculate about the shooting and claims there is lying and incompetence.

Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
I think a lot of it was mostly for effect,
I think most of it was for affect, and the fact that he is a jerk who likes to hear himself talk at the expense of the reputation of others. He is also painting Compos as a possible co-conspirator. Until he has a bit of evidence to support this, it is lower than low.

Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
but there were a lot of good questions...
Which ones? I think 27-31 are okay. But not great. Can't expect anything great from this guy at all. Carlson is also playing softball, but is deluding himself with the absurd notion that he is hardball.

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Old 28th October 2017, 12:38 AM   #244
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Pretty comprehensive reply there Ranb.

And thanks for watching the video so that I don't have to.
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Old 28th October 2017, 02:05 AM   #245
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Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
Actually, the original video I linked to had Tucker Carlson asking over 40 questions. I think a lot of it was mostly for effect, but there were a lot of good questions which I feel no need to enumerate since everyone has already been triggered enough. I'm sure law enforcement is asking a lot of these same questions. It would be foolish not to.
That really is a rubbish argument. I don't see anyone being "triggered". I do sense some slight exasperation that you won't define which of the questions you think are good, except for the one asking why an innocent victim of a shooting should be allowed to travel. That is a really stupid question; your sarcastic response doesn't render it any less stupid

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Good point. Really makes one think. The US is not a prison. I'll have to remember that.
Maybe you should remember that before posting questions as to why people should have their civil rights curtailed just to satisfy* inbred conspiracy theorists.


*They won't be satisfied anyway.
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Old 28th October 2017, 06:41 AM   #246
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Last night MGM released an audio of Campos' first radio call to Mandalay Bay security. Linked is a YouTube clip of what was released. I apologize that the YT poster is a conspiracy theorist but it was the best sounding version I found.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DXTBN7EuVA
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Old 28th October 2017, 07:59 AM   #247
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Yes he asks lots of questions. I typed them below. (my comments in parentheses)
<snip for brevity>

He then goes on to say he's not going to speculate about the shooting and claims there is lying and incompetence.
Of course not, he's Just Asking Questions. Idiot.
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
And thanks for watching the video so that I don't have to.
Welcome. It was only the first half of the video that contained the 40 or so questions that were intended for the most part to place blame on the victim and to support his CT. The other half with the interview of the former police officer I'd already seen.

It was like his mouth was equipped with a slide fire stock, but his only intended target was Campos whom he repeatedly tried to wound again and again with his libel.
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No worries Uncle Jim is on the case

Fetzer weighs in on the Las Vegas shooting with his usual interminable gish gallop approach to any conspiracy he puts a mind to....SEE HERE

If you can stomach wading through his blog (linked to above) you will learn that the bodies of the victims were borrowed and transported to the crime scene from local funeral parlours.

Defines Reprehensible

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Originally Posted by CompusMentus View Post
Fetzer weighs in on the Las Vegas shooting with his usual interminable gish gallop approach to any conspiracy he puts a mind to....SEE HERE

If you can stomach wading through his blog (linked to above) you will learn that the bodies of the victims were borrowed and transported to the crime scene from local funeral parlours.

Defines Reprehensible

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Reprehensible was a whole waste of letters - just 4 would have done.
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Originally Posted by threadworm View Post
"People look a bit like other people therefore something something".

Reprehensible was a whole waste of letters - just 4 would have done.
Fetzer seems to be becoming more and more disconnected from reality as time passes.
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.....

Reprehensible was a whole waste of letters - just 4 would have done.

He's still a member here OC so choosing my words carefully

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Originally Posted by CompusMentus View Post
He's still a member here OC so choosing my words carefully

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He's a member? He's that same Fetzer that 9/11 Twoofers see as one of their great leaders, right?
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OK. I just went over there and taunted him to come over here!
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He's still a member here OC so choosing my words carefully

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Is he? A quick search of the member list draws me a blank.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com...archid=4174817

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but there were a lot of good questions.....
Hey, I called your bluff! How about you tell me which one of these garbage questions are among the "good ones".
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Ok, now I'm actually wondering whether Mark Dice, Alex Jones, Richard Gage & David Icke have accounts over here aswell...
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Hey, I called your bluff! How about you tell me which one of these garbage questions are among the "good ones".
I have highlighted one which apparently is a good question.

I leave it as an exercise for the reader to explain just how this is a good question.... Because I haven't a scooby.

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Yes he asks lots of questions. I typed them below. (my comments in parentheses)

1. Why was Compos allowed to leave the USA? (not a prison)
2. How did Compos manage to travel to Mexico with a wounded leg? (Maybe not that bad?)
3. Did he fly?
4. Did he drive?
5. Was his employer aware that he left the country? ( One again not a prison or a nanny state)
6. Were investigators aware? (Not his babysitters)
7. Did they facilitate the trip? (Probably not)
8. What day did Compos get to Mexico? (None of anyone's business)
9. How was he able to drive back for hundreds of miles to the border? (In a car?)
10. Why did he take a rental car instead of his own car? (Compos' business only?)
11. Why did it take a government leak for us to find out his trip was a pre-planned visit? (None of their business?)
12. Why is MGM controlling availability to Campos? (No evidence they are)
13. And shielding him from press inquiries? (Again no evidence)
14. Why did he appear with a co-worker at the interview? (Moral support?)
15. Why did Ellen ask only leading softball questions? (Because she is a softball host?)
16. Why did some many people go to so much trouble to shape the story of Compos? (Like Tucker Carlson is doing now?)
17. Compos in Mexico when ABC News talked to him? (Who cares?)
18. Did they know where he was when they talked to him? (Again who cares?)
19. What do we actually know about Compos? (We're most likely not going to find out from Carlson)
20. Is he really a licensed security guard? (Carlson can't find this out for himself?)
21. Why won't authorities answer basic questions about Compos? (They're investigating and don't have time for talking to every idiot who calls them I suppose)
22. Does Compus have a criminal record? (Why isn't Carlson telling us if he does or not?)
23. What exactly did he do for the hotel? (Sounds like he was part of security)
24. Had he ever had previous contact with Paddock? ( This is approaching libel)
25. How exactly was Compos injured? (Sounds like he was shot)
26. How could Compos have driven 700 miles after being shot with a Nato 5.56 round? (Dupe of #2)
27. How did Paddock get access to the hotel's freight elevator? (We might find out soon)
28. How many other hotel guests had that access? (Might find out soon)
29. Does hotel security footage show Paddock entering the elevator alone or with others? (Carlson is going to have to wait to find out like the rest of us)
30. Had he used the elevator before? (And wait some more)
31. If so, how often and why was he using that elevator? (And more)
32. Had Paddock ever appeared on the radar of the FBI? ( Probably not. I've got a lot more guns than Paddock probably has, some of which are NFA firearms; quite certain the FBI doesn't give a crap about me or the thousands of others like me.)
33. Nobody in law enforcement noticed him? (Why should they?)
34. Why did it take investigators nearly a month to to tell us about the missing hard drive? (Because they don't report to Carlson?)
35. Did they just find out themselves? (Wait and see)
36. What do we really know about Paddock and his family? (Why are you telling us, you're the pundit/reporter)
37. Was his brother's arrest on child porn charges related to this case? (As long as you're stretching, you can tell us)
38. How many family members does he have exactly? (Carlson doesn't know this why?)
39. Was he in regular contact with them? (ZZZZ)
40. Do they have any reason to believe he was planning an attack? (ask them yourself)
41. Where's his girlfriend? (Probably hiding from the press; smart girl)

He then goes on to say he's not going to speculate about the shooting and claims there is lying and incompetence.


I think most of it was for affect, and the fact that he is a jerk who likes to hear himself talk at the expense of the reputation of others. He is also painting Compos as a possible co-conspirator. Until he has a bit of evidence to support this, it is lower than low.


Which ones? I think 27-31 are okay. But not great. Can't expect anything great from this guy at all. Carlson is also playing softball, but is deluding himself with the absurd notion that he is hardball.
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
I have highlighted one which apparently is a good question.

I leave it as an exercise for the reader to explain just how this is a good question.... Because I haven't a scooby.
It's a great question for a conspiracy theorist because Campos is to be regarded as a murder suspect or a willing patsy/actor and not an actual victim. As usual for the theorists no possible answer or evidence will be accepted.
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It's a great question for a conspiracy theorist because Campos is to be regarded as a murder suspect or a willing patsy/actor and not an actual victim. As usual for the theorists no possible answer or evidence will be accepted.
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That really is a rubbish argument.
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How about you tell me which one of these garbage questions are among the "good ones".
Yeah, I don't see any triggering, either. LOL. Just the cool joviality and clear, impartial reasoning of the two of you. It's almost as if you're a post away from going all-caps.
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Yeah, I don't see any triggering, either. LOL. Just the cool joviality and clear, impartial reasoning of the two of you.
"Triggered" isn't really a thing in the UK so forgive me if I'm not entirely up it's usage, but I fail to see how 'not agreeing with you' equals 'triggered'?
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Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
Yeah, I don't see any triggering, either. LOL. Just the cool joviality and clear, impartial reasoning of the two of you.
Indeed.

Unfortunately, I see you have stated that there are some good questions, but which you are somewhat reluctant to state - with the exception of one asking why an innocent man hasn't had his movements restricted.


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Yeah, I don't see any triggering, either. LOL. Just the cool joviality and clear, impartial reasoning of the two of you. It's almost as if you're a post away from going all-caps.
Oddly, I don't think I am a post away from going all-caps. Or indeed attempting to imply that anyone else is.

You seem to be arguing that it's reasonable to have a conspiracy theory over something that is hardly* unprecedented in the US, and well within the capabilities of a single person.


*It is the worst mass shooting, but even so, one had to be.
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I'm not about to go all caps either. But to paraphrase Salvor Hardin; "insults are the last refuge of the incompetent". I doubt that I'll ever get a rational explanation as to which of those questions (a lot?) was a good one.
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Old 28th October 2017, 06:26 PM   #267
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Originally Posted by tinribmancer View Post
Ok, now I'm actually wondering whether Mark Dice, Alex Jones, Richard Gage & David Icke have accounts over here aswell...
When they report a post that insults them the mods will let you know.

This is jfetzer's page here; http://www.internationalskeptics.com...er.php?u=68351 Last activity was about three years ago. He limited his posts to the welcome thread, then 50 posts to a thread devoted to tearing apart his ideas.

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Old 28th October 2017, 10:32 PM   #268
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Originally Posted by Ranb View Post
I'm not about to go all caps either. But to paraphrase Salvor Hardin; "insults are the last refuge of the incompetent". I doubt that I'll ever get a rational explanation as to which of those questions (a lot?) was a good one.
You're beginning to look a bit suspicious yourself there, Ranb.

I'd suggest you not leave the country anytime soon...

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Old 28th October 2017, 11:17 PM   #269
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OMG, now a security guard that suffered a gunshot is being targeted by the alt-right idiots?

That is sad.
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Old 28th October 2017, 11:35 PM   #270
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
OMG, now a security guard that suffered a gunshot is being targeted by the alt-right idiots?

That is sad.
Shhhh... *its cuz he a brown 'un. Don't tell nobody*...
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Old 29th October 2017, 03:51 AM   #271
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Originally Posted by CompusMentus View Post
Ha. I was even in that thread. Seems it went into my own personal memory hole.
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Old 29th October 2017, 07:05 AM   #272
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
OMG, now a security guard that suffered a gunshot is being targeted by the alt-right idiots?

That is sad.
I think that there actually are some concerns for Campos' safety. Soon after the incident a guard was stationed outside his house even when he wasn't there. The guard might still be there. Reports suggest that he has a personal guard near him since he has returned from Mexico. I think he has stayed in MGM suites most of the time since his return - maybe only going home for essentials. In general, it seems that the conspiracy theorists regard him as being a part of a conspiracy. At its most mild he is lying or omitting as part of some cover-up. At its worst he is the shooter or one of a number of shooters.

At least some of the shooting victims have shut down their social media because of accusations and death threats coming from conspiracy theorists on the web. A guy got shot in the head and he shut down his Facebook because people kept saying he's a phony crisis actor and was never hurt at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...s-social-media

Again I will say that we have a thread for this in the Conspiracy forum.
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Old 9th November 2017, 09:29 PM   #273
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Finally after The Health Ranger grab for fame someone has done a real study
of the shots heard on cell phones. Using four videos he is able to trace all the shots to the 32nd floor of the Mandalay bay. Two Excellent videos From a guy on YouTube called Mr Visual. Part one is very similar to the New York times recreation, in part 2 he blows Mike Adams out of the water. https://youtu.be/BsWLq-8g7Mk
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Old 14th November 2017, 04:53 PM   #274
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A lot of speculation from people. Here's the reality. A friend I had worked with for years e-mailed that his 18 year old daughter had been shot and they were flying to Las Vegas. She had been shot in the arm and the bullet was lodged in her neck. She was in surgery when he and his wife arrived. She was released and sent home on the 11th and is going to be doing physical therapy. She had been saved by a Marine who picked her up and got her out.

CTers seem to be almost gleeful that this happened because it allows their dementia to run wild.
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