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Old 7th December 2018, 08:25 PM   #481
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
The bill to allow off shore refugees to access medical treatment in Australia remains on the table.

Politically this will be a tricky matter. If passed, as it probably will, Morrison may have his very own Tampa, and will use it for all its worth. This may prove to resonate in iNSW and Queensland. Could Labor be tempted to vote with the Coaltion to defuse the issue, and upset Victorians? I bet Labor hopes the whole thing disappears.
That one may become entirely moot. It is probably not beyond the LNP to empty Nauru and Manus before February when sitting resumes. Where the refugees would be sent gawd only knows - perhaps a treaty with Indonesia to return them there, or another multi-mullion dollar bribe payoff investment to Cambodia... who knows.

Morrison is totally on the nose in NSW, as the Libs here are all too well aware. Plus Tony Abbott will continue to stir the pot against all advice to the contrary. And he is loathed too. So Scomo will be trying to appease NSW voters.

Labor are not about to align themselves with any self-destructive action by the LNP. More likely they will let the LNP commit their own political suicide, then when in power will enact similar legislation.
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Old 7th December 2018, 08:27 PM   #482
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
That one may become entirely moot. It is probably not beyond the LNP to empty Nauru and Manus before February when sitting resumes. Where the refugees would be sent gawd only knows - perhaps a treaty with Indonesia to return them there, or another multi-mullion dollar bribe payoff investment to Cambodia... who knows.
I think Morrison would prefer to have refugees on Nauru and Manus to use as pawns.

We will see.
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Old 7th December 2018, 08:31 PM   #483
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I think Morrison would prefer to have refugees on Nauru and Manus to use as pawns.

We will see.
Possibly. But only if he wants to continue to appear as a callous and conniving bastard. ScoMo may be many ugly things, but I don't think he is wanting preventable deaths on his resume.
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Old 7th December 2018, 08:37 PM   #484
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Possibly. But only if he wants to continue to appear as a callous and conniving bastard. ScoMo may be many ugly things, but I don't think he is wanting preventable deaths on his resume.
Hmmm. I think being callous towards refugees is a big vote winner in most of Queensland and NSW. And don’t forget, Labor’s policies in this area are not very far away from the Coalition’s.
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Old 7th December 2018, 11:38 PM   #485
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New Encryption Laws Passed

The Scomo government has rushed through a controversial new anti-encryption bill that can see individuals forced to reveal passwords on encrypted devices and force manufacturers to include backdoors in encrypted devices.

As always, it will still be business as usual for professional criminals while leaving the way to make it easier to persecute unassuming citizens and make them more vulnerable to hacking.

From https://www.news.com.au/technology/o...598fc2853cd48c:
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The Australian government has passed new security laws giving authorities the power to intercept encrypted communications.

Known as the Access and Assistance Bill, this effectively gives intelligence officials the power to force you to open your smartphone in front of them.
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Attorney-General Christian Porter and other proponents of the law say it will “keep Australians safe” by helping to thwart terrorists, organised crime and child predators.
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Opponents of the new law argue it will weaken Australians’ privacy and online security, potentially leaving them vulnerable to cyberhacking, and is a step on the way to a Big Brother-style police state.

And shame on Bill Shorten for supporting the bill. He was clearly afraid of being labeled "Soft on Terror":
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Mr Shorten concedes the Bill was rushed, but is confident the amendments will go through when parliament resumes in February.

“There are legitimate concerns about the encryption legislation,” the opposition leader told reporters on Friday.

“But I wasn’t prepared to walk away from my job and leave matters in a stand-off and expose Australians to increased risk in terms of national security.”
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Old 8th December 2018, 04:11 AM   #486
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Hmmm. I think being callous towards refugees is a big vote winner in most of Queensland and NSW. And don’t forget, Labor’s policies in this area are not very far away from the Coalition’s.
Don't know about bananaland, but it's not a popular vote-winner in NSW except in a specific location in the Northern Beaches. Even if they re-opened Villawood as the alternative, that would still be more popular than offshoring.

Yep, the Labor old guard need to be made aware they are not getting away with this either...ahem, "Scott Free". (See what I did there? )
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Old 9th December 2018, 01:55 AM   #487
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Interesting news from the NSW Greens


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NSW Greens MP Cate Faehrmann has issued a blistering attack on her party, saying she is "beyond appalled" with many members and fears the Greens have been "infiltrated by extreme left forces".

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/destructive-extreme-left-forces-greens-mp-slams-buckingham-decision/ar-BBQH4wG
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Old 9th December 2018, 04:53 PM   #488
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Originally Posted by Graham2001 View Post
Unreal expectations? Theoretical politics meets realpolitik?
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Embarrassing. Truly embarrassing.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-climate-talks
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Australia only nation to join US at pro-coal event at COP24 climate talks

Country’s stance described as ‘a slap in the face of our Pacific island neighbours

...Australia has reaffirmed its commitment to coal – and its unwavering support for the United States – by appearing at a US government-run event promoting the use of fossil fuels at the United Nations climate talks in Poland.

Australia was the only country apart from the host represented at the event, entitled “US innovative technologies spur economic dynamism”, designed to “showcase ways to use fossil fuels as cleanly and efficiently as possible, as well as the use of emission-free nuclear energy”.

Its panel discussion was disrupted for several minutes by dozens of protesters who stood up suddenly during speeches, unfurling a banner reading “Keep it in the ground” while singing and chanting “Shame on you”.

Patrick Suckling, Australia’s ambassador for the environment, and the head of the country’s negotiating delegation at the climate talks, spoke on the panel. His nameplate bore a US flag.
Also...Suckling? SRSLY?
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So, are you ocker's talking about the Telecommunications and Other Legislation Amendment bill in here?
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Originally Posted by 3point14 View Post
So, are you ocker's talking about the Telecommunications and Other Legislation Amendment bill in here?
I made a post about it above but nobody else seems to be interested in discussing this.
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So, are you ocker's talking about the Telecommunications and Other Legislation Amendment bill in here?
Won’t make any difference to me. It’s hard to get excited about law enforcement agencies having cause to ask for access to information in relation to serious crime. After getting a judicial warrant.

Seems a sensible law.
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Won’t make any difference to me. It’s hard to get excited about law enforcement agencies having cause to ask for access to information in relation to serious crime. After getting a judicial warrant.

Seems a sensible law.
Means an end to computer security. If their is a backdoor into information stored on the computer then the criminals will be able to find it wherever it is. Remember computer security is hard enough. Got to remember that anything I say on this forum is to be considered public information. That includes in the members only areas. And in the past certain organisations had embarrassing information leaked, so people knew that rjh01 was a member of a dating agency and used a password of sexydevil. Then if credit card information is stolen then the crooks can take as much money as they can from them. By the time the banks try to get the money back it is overseas. It will be so much easier in the future.
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Won’t make any difference to me. It’s hard to get excited about law enforcement agencies having cause to ask for access to information in relation to serious crime. After getting a judicial warrant.

Seems a sensible law.
You are so contemptuous of individual rights that I am surprised that you haven't called for the reintroduction of star chambers or summary judgement.

Anybody who would seek to turn Australia into a clone of the old USSR is a traitor to democracy.
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You are so contemptuous of individual rights that I am surprised that you haven't called for the reintroduction of star chambers or summary judgement.

Anybody who would seek to turn Australia into a clone of the old USSR is a traitor to democracy.
You’d be quite lost without hyperbole.
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Meanwhile, tech giants Apple, Facebook, Google and Microsoft have started pointing out what is blindingly obvious to anybody who isn't obsessed with totalitarianism or jack boot politics:
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In its submission to the parliamentary joint committee looking into the implications of the "Assistance and Access" bill, Apple came out strongly against the proposed new laws, which it said would weaken the security of the nation.

"Vital infrastructure – like power grids and transportation hubs – become more vulnerable when individual devices get hacked. Criminals and terrorists who want to infiltrate systems and disrupt sensitive networks may start their attacks by accessing just one person's smartphone.

"In the face of these threats, this is no time to weaken encryption. There is profound risk of making criminals' jobs easier, not harder. Increasingly stronger – not weaker –encryption is the best way to protect against these threats," Apple said.
https://www.afr.com/technology/austr...0181212-h190pc

And thousands of prominent people in the tech industry have signed an open letter to Shorten and Labor calling them "idiots" and condemning them for their "gutless and spineless" support of the bill.
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The legislation has raised alarm in legal and human rights circles, as well as the global tech industry, especially because it includes the possibility of government security forces co-opting a company’s tech staff to hack into its messaging service without notifying the company involved. If the employee notifies their boss, they face jail.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/y...n-bill-2018-12

Do we really want to live in a society where individuals can be forced to rat out on others and not even let them know they are being dobbed in?
This petition is online if anybody cares to sign it. https://alp.fail/
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
You’d be quite lost without hyperbole.
It's not hyperbole if it is fact.
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Won’t make any difference to me. It’s hard to get excited about law enforcement agencies having cause to ask for access to information in relation to serious crime. After getting a judicial warrant.

Seems a sensible law.
You mean other than completely destroying our cybersecurity and probably sending many companies offshore in response?
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It will be reversed almost immediately on change of government.
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It will be reversed almost immediately on change of government.
Labor supports it, so I doubt it.

Did anyone actually look at the bill? People here are carrying on as if storm troopers will knock down your door and demand passwords, or else.

The crime being investigated needs to be serious, involving sentences of three years or more, and requires a judicial warrant. Does anyone think this will be used to intimidate ordinary people, or even expenses rorters, illegal downloaders and tax dodgers? This is serious CT territory.

This law aims to catch serious crooks (yes, even terrorists) who hide behind encryption. Why is this a problem? “Slippery slope” is not good enough for mine.

In the famous, and true, words of Scott McNealy, “You have zero privacy anyway. Get over it.”
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Why is this a problem?
Because it putting back doors into security systems makes it easier to hack into cyber systems and weakens Australia's security.

Like oppressive drug laws, it won't catch the big fish. It will only get the small fry who would most likely have been caught anyway.

We don't need KGB style tactics in Australia.
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It will be reversed almost immediately on change of government.
There will not likely be more than a few cosmetic changes unless there is a huge outcry. Scomo played the "soft on terror" card and Shorten fell for it.
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Did anyone actually look at the bill? People here are carrying on as if storm troopers will knock down your door and demand passwords, or else.
The bill? Lemme guess. It promises, "peace for our time". Stormtroopers is one word. They're untouchable in Australia. Police say Defence failed to cooperate with Jedi Council sex scandal operation. And, while the developed world moves toward a cashless society, Rupert's minions over at News Corp bless us with their ANZAC Spirit coin collection release, 2018.
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You are so contemptuous of individual rights that I am surprised that you haven't called for the reintroduction of star chambers or summary judgement.

Anybody who would seek to turn Australia into a clone of the old USSR is a traitor to democracy.
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You’d be quite lost without hyperbole.
Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
It's not hyperbole if it is fact.

Oh my! Must stock up on red flags.
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Oh my! Must stock up on red flags.
Let me guess: if you've done nothing wrong then you have nothing to fear from this benevolent government.
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Breaking news!

With reluctance must interrupt this exchange with psionl0 to bring you this:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-...bassy/10614226


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The Australian Government will recognise West Jerusalem as the capital of Israel but will not immediately move its embassy from Tel Aviv.

It is understood Prime Minister Scott Morrison will announce the decision during a speech in Sydney today.

Most here I guess are familiar with the evangelical Christian obsession regarding Jerusalem, but in case you aren't this is from The Washington Post as one Pastor Jeffress sees it:

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“Jerusalem has been the object of the affection of both Jews and Christians down through history and the touchstone of prophecy,” Jeffress told CNN last year. “But, most importantly, God gave Jerusalem — and the rest of the Holy Land — to the Jewish people.”
Evangelical Christian ...... huuumm. Isn't Morrison one of those?

Can you imagine the buzz you would get if you went along with this stuff and you could in some way help God do his stuff?
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BREAKING: This literally just broke 2 minutes ago.

Assistant Minister Andrew Broad resigns following allegations he used website to meet women

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Nationals MP Andrew Broad has resigned as Assistant Minister to the Deputy Prime Minister, after New Idea Magazine published allegations Mr Broad used a website to meet women while he was away on work trips.

The Member for Mallee is married and told the magazine he believed the person making the allegation may have engaged in criminal activity.

In a statement, Deputy Prime Minister and leader of the Nationals Michael McCormack said given the nature of the allegations, it was appropriate Mr Broad resigned from the ministry.
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