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Old 8th November 2018, 09:06 AM   #3241
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Okay, you are free to panic about a lack of hand-holding if you like. I'll take solace in the fact that everybody else has responded like the capable adults I assumed they were, and have proven themselves capable of reading 22 tweets of no more than 280 characters each without getting lost and confused.

Artist's impression of The Big Dog, yesterday:
Wow, hopefully you have learned something then? Like reading the tweet storms before you inflict incompetent links on the thread?

Everyone else responded like they did because i immediately posted that the link you tried to foist on them was a dumpster fire.

And you still never thanked me.

Oh well.

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Old 8th November 2018, 09:06 AM   #3242
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
In a Democracy an at least somewhat engaged, informed, and at least trying to do the good as best they can populace is the ultimate check and balance and the ultimate 4th Branch.
I'd go a bit further. No democracy can survive without having an engaged and informed electorate.
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Old 8th November 2018, 09:11 AM   #3243
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
There isn't a legal means. It appears that the USA checks and balances was partly based on the premise that good, honorable people who wanted the best for the country would be elected to high office.
Ha! Shows them right for misjudging humanity.
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Old 8th November 2018, 09:38 AM   #3244
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Wow, hopefully you have learned something then?
No, I've long known of the kind of inane nonsense you like to peddle.
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Old 8th November 2018, 09:41 AM   #3245
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https://twitter.com/cnnadam/status/1060552948529459200

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NEW: Mueller's team has begun writing its final report, multiple sources told CNN - @evanperez @PamelaBrownCNN @LauraAJarrett @SaraMurray
This seems very unlikely to me, unless Mueller really doesn't see any way forwards with Whitaker at the helm, but we'll see.
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Old 8th November 2018, 09:52 AM   #3246
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Quite a lot of tidbits in this article

The key claims are:
  • If Mueller's investigation is ended, the House Democrats are likely to call him to Capitol Hill to testify as to his findings, live on television.
  • Democrats will pass on transcripts from the Congressional probe to Mueller, for him to determine whether or not there was any perjury.
  • They will be looking in to whether or not Trump ordered Cohen to break campaign finance laws.
  • They will re-open the Congressional Russia probe.
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Old 8th November 2018, 02:48 PM   #3247
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This article, by a certain Conway's husband, makes the argument that even if Sessions resigned and the Vacancies Reform Act was invoked, Whitaker is illegitimate. Napolitano on Fox said the same.

I haven't heard any Democrats making this argument, so I'm not sure how accurate it is. This article gives a long overview of the issues, but it would takes months at least for a court to decide the issue. It seems like a genuinely open question.
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Old 8th November 2018, 03:17 PM   #3248
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On top of all the other quotes from Whitaker:

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“There is no case for obstruction of justice because the president has all the power of the executive and delegates that to people like the FBI director and the attorney general…The president could and has in our nation’s history said stop investigating this person or please investigate this other person.” Whitaker belittled talk about obstruction of justice in this case as “hyperventilation.”

In another radio interview on the day of the Comey testimony, Whittaker dissed the Mueller investigation, remarking, “There’s really nothing here.” And he explicitly said Trump had the right to shut it down or control its direction: “This is power that is completely vested in the president…If he wanted to he could have told Jim [Comey] to stop investigating former [Defense Intelligence Agency] director Flynn. And he didn’t…I’m sure he made his preference known. Quite frankly, he’s president of the United States. He can do that.” Whitaker conceded that it might be fair to characterize such a presidential demand as “inappropriate,” but he insisted it would well be within Trump’s prerogatives.
Linky.
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Old 8th November 2018, 03:20 PM   #3249
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Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha View Post
On top of all the other quotes from Whitaker:



Linky.
Welp. So much for Democracy.
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Old 8th November 2018, 03:48 PM   #3250
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Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha View Post
This article, by a certain Conway's husband, makes the argument that even if Sessions resigned and the Vacancies Reform Act was invoked, Whitaker is illegitimate. Napolitano on Fox said the same.

I haven't heard any Democrats making this argument, so I'm not sure how accurate it is. This article gives a long overview of the issues, but it would takes months at least for a court to decide the issue. It seems like a genuinely open question.
A little more:

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Even John Yoo, a law professor at the University of California-Berkeley who helped the George W. Bush administration draft its expansive claims to executive power, says the Whitaker appointment may be out of line.

"The Constitution says that principal officers must go through appointment with the advice and consent of the Senate. In Morrison v. Olson, the Supreme Court made clear that the Attorney General is a principal officer. Therefore, Whittaker cannot serve as acting Attorney General despite the Vacancies Act (which does provide for him to be acting AG) ó the statute is unconstitutional when applied in this way."
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Old 8th November 2018, 06:19 PM   #3251
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I've never seen an innocent man try so hard to stop and discredit an investigation that would prove his innocence as Trump.

Lots of rallies protesting Whitaker's appointment to acting AG. Trump sure can pick 'em.

Can anyone think of an Obama appointment that engendered rallies in the street protesting it?
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Old 9th November 2018, 03:13 AM   #3252
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Another legal expert weighs in on why Whitaker's appointment is almost certainly illegal
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Old 9th November 2018, 03:28 AM   #3253
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Who is the admistrationís top leagal counsel? Maybe they could lay out the legality or otherwise of this arrangement.
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Old 9th November 2018, 03:38 AM   #3254
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Sure, the question of the legality of Whitaker's appointment is far from settled.
But it might take the Supreme Court to make a final ruling - and Whitaker might not be in the job for that long.
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Old 9th November 2018, 04:06 AM   #3255
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Foregone conclusion that they would back Whitaker's appointment.
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Sure, the question of the legality of Whitaker's appointment is far from settled.
But it might take the Supreme Court to make a final ruling - and Whitaker might not be in the job for that long.
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Old 9th November 2018, 05:12 AM   #3256
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Is it that case that all issues of import will end up in some way before the supreme court?

If that's the case then given the make up of the supreme court, the actual legal position doesn't matter, the SC will fall on the side of Trump and co.
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Old 9th November 2018, 05:25 AM   #3257
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https://twitter.com/DebraMessing/sta...79434577932288

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Matthew Whitaker explaining WHY Sessions HAD to Recuse himself because of the “appearance of impropriety.” He is ALSO explaining why HE must RECUSE HIMSELF in the Russia investigation in his new role as AG.
Video embedded in tweet.
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Old 9th November 2018, 08:14 AM   #3258
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Whitaker backlash prompts concern at the White House

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Several senior officials told CNN they were surprised by the criticism, and believe it could potentially jeopardize Whitaker's chances of remaining in the post if it continues to dominate headlines.
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...a source close to the President told CNN that the idea of Whitaker ending or suppressing the Russia probe is not an option as of now.
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It was not widely known among White House staff that he'd commented repeatedly on the special counsel's investigation in interviews and on television -- which is ironic given that this is what drew President Donald Trump to him....
Trump often seems to be playing a different game than his staff members.

Some of the strongest arguments against Whitaker's appointment are being made by George Conway - husband of one of Trump's closest confidants and strongest defenders, Kellyanne Conway. One would love to be a fly on the wall and listen to the dinnertime conversation in the Conway household.
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Old 9th November 2018, 08:33 AM   #3259
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Whitaker backlash prompts concern at the White House





Trump often seems to be playing a different game than his staff members.

Some of the strongest arguments against Whitaker's appointment are being made by George Conway - husband of one of Trump's closest confidants and strongest defenders, Kellyanne Conway. One would love to be a fly on the wall and listen to the dinnertime conversation in the Conway household.
Kellyanne: Did you get paid a huge pile of money today, George?

George: Indeed

Kellyanne: Me too.
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Old 9th November 2018, 08:42 AM   #3260
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Kellyanne: Did you get paid a huge pile of money today, George?

George: Indeed

Kellyanne: Me too.
Or

George: Nice day at the office?

Kellyanne: Screams.

30 minutes past

Kellyanne stops screaming

George: Oh glad it was a good day.
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Indeed - only one person in that relationship is enjoying their job.
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Old 9th November 2018, 09:18 AM   #3262
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Kellyanne: Did you get paid a huge pile of money today, George?

George: Indeed

Kellyanne: Me too.
Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Or

George: Nice day at the office?

Kellyanne: Screams.

30 minutes past

Kellyanne stops screaming

George: Oh glad it was a good day.
or:

(in the basement)

George: I've been a naughty, naughty little liberal boy.

Kellyanne: (smiles and slaps the riding crop into the palm of her hand...). Naughty liberals must be punished!



ETA: (I would not want to be a fly on the wall of THAT conversation. No, most certainly not.)

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Old 9th November 2018, 09:33 AM   #3263
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I've never seen an innocent man try so hard to stop and discredit an investigation that would prove his innocence as Trump.
What about Kavanaugh?
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Old 9th November 2018, 09:56 AM   #3264
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(in the basement)

George: I've been a naughty, naughty little liberal boy.

Kellyanne: (smiles and slaps the riding crop into the palm of her hand...). Naughty liberals must be punished!
Must . . . gouge . . . out . . . mind's . . . eye . . .
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Old 9th November 2018, 10:46 AM   #3265
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Some of the strongest arguments against Whitaker's appointment are being made by George Conway - husband of one of Trump's closest confidants and strongest defenders, Kellyanne Conway. One would love to be a fly on the wall and listen to the dinnertime conversation in the Conway household.
If you really want to know, then this article should be enlightening. There's even a bit where she tries to talk off the record as someone close to their marriage, but after she'd already waived the right to talk off the record.
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Old 9th November 2018, 11:07 AM   #3266
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The fact that Trump pretends not to know Whitaker is a clear indication that the White House is aware that Recusal would be the appropriate thing to do: if there is any evidence of Whitaker and Trump talking about the AG post in private, and Whitaker doesn't recuse, it would be another case of Obstruction by both of them.
So Trump has to play dumb(er) for Whitaker to even have a shot at staying Acting-AG long enough to affect anything.
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https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/...56794023260160

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Matthew Whitaker has suddenly protected his tweets after I started sharing all the Russia and Putin tweets of his dating all the way back to 2010
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Old 9th November 2018, 11:22 AM   #3268
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(in the basement)

George: I've been a naughty, naughty little liberal boy.

Kellyanne: (smiles and slaps the riding crop into the palm of her hand...). Naughty liberals must be punished!



ETA: (I would not want to be a fly on the wall of THAT conversation. No, most certainly not.)
Whoever has the brain bleach, over here next.
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Yeah, Trump's picked another winner.
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One of Trump's problems..and I guess we should be thankful for it...is he does not know the meaning of the word "subtle". Rather then pick a outspoken critic of the Murller investigation he should have picked somebody who did not have that record, but would do whatever Trump told him to do.
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Senate Majority Leader Sen. Mitch McConnell is going to block a bill to protect Robert Mueller by not allowing it to come up for a vote.

McConnell said of the bill to protect Mueller, “It’s not necessary. The Mueller investigation is not under threat."

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/11...t-mueller.html
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I was sure that there is a special place in Hell reserved for Mitch McConnell, but then he pulls some extra heinous ****, which requires the Satanic Hoards to remodel his personal hell again and again.
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I was sure that there is a special place in Hell reserved for Mitch McConnell, but then he pulls some extra heinous ****, which requires the Satanic Hoards to remodel his personal hell again and again.

That's okay, I'm sure they have no shortage of contractors.
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And I bet the Devil pays his contractors, unlike certain POTUS of orange hue.
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Senate Majority Leader Sen. Mitch McConnell is going to block a bill to protect Robert Mueller by not allowing it to come up for a vote.

McConnell said of the bill to protect Mueller, ďItís not necessary. The Mueller investigation is not under threat."
Remember, the only reason McConnell can do the things he does is because the republicans in the Senate let him.

If there were actually principled republican congressmen, they'd stand up to him.... "Pass a law protecting Mueller or we won't confirm any more appointments". "Don't make us confirm Drunky McRapeface for the supreme court unless you do a real investigation into his past".

But the fact is, even republicans who claim to be moderates, at the end of the day usually line up to vote with the rest of the Republicans. Flake, Collins, Corker... they're all the same.
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Trump, who has frequently dismissed that probe as a "witch hunt," feigned ignorance of Whitaker's background.

"I don't know Matt Whitaker," Trump told reporters on Friday as he left the White House for a trip to Paris. "Matt Whitaker worked for Jeff Sessions. And he was always extremely highly thought of and he still is. But I didn't know Matt Whitaker."

In fact, Trump has met with his handpicked appointee more than a dozen times. As Sessions' chief of staff, Whitaker reportedly accompanied his boss to the Oval Office on multiple occasions.

"Matt Whitaker is a great guy. I mean, I know Matt Whitaker," Trump told Fox News last month. At the time, Trump also sidestepped questions about whether he was preparing to get rid of Sessions.
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It's being reported that Manafort is not co-operating fully with Mueller, which may go badly for him when time comes for sentencing
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Or

George: Nice day at the office?

Kellyanne: Screams.

30 minutes past

Kellyanne stops screaming

George: Oh glad it was a good day.
If she hasn't been wearing a wire for Mueller this whole time, I don't give a damn how hard she finds it to kiss Trump's ass.
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What about Kavanaugh?
Kavanaugh comes in second to Trump.
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