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Old 23rd January 2018, 12:34 PM   #1
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Today's Mass Shooting

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/23/us/ke...ing/index.html

Only two dead out of 19 at least. Kentucky I would have thought you could produce better shots than that, being beaten out by Connecticut so handily?
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Old 23rd January 2018, 12:42 PM   #2
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Second school shooting this week, and its only Tuesday.
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Old 23rd January 2018, 12:46 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
Second school shooting this week, and its only Tuesday.
Both in Kentucky. The other one might not have been a proper mass shooting just your basic using a gun to settle a personal dispute so it doesn't count.
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In the interests of expediency, and based on similar threads.

Guns bad.

Guns good.

Debate can now progress to nitpicking on details of the type of gun used.
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Old 23rd January 2018, 12:54 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by fagin View Post
In the interests of expediency, and based on similar threads.

Guns bad.

Guns good.

Debate can now progress to nitpicking on details of the type of gun used.
I am trying to figure out how to run betting pools on mass shootings. Because as random events nothing can be done about, they are perfect for gambling on. That way people can feel something other than powerless frustration when there is a mass shooting.
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Old 23rd January 2018, 01:19 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Both in Kentucky. The other one might not have been a proper mass shooting just your basic using a gun to settle a personal dispute so it doesn't count.
I was only aware of Monday's school shooting in Texas, which looks like a targeted shooting of the sort referenced in that famous quote by Margaret Atwood.
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Old 23rd January 2018, 01:22 PM   #7
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Luckily, there are going to be plenty of thoughts and prayers and people will change their Facebook profile pictures so something like this will surely never happen again.

You know what the truly sad thing is? These shootings have become so common that they aren't even being discussed right now on any of the cable news networks. Mass shootings aren't even news anymore. They just are.
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Old 23rd January 2018, 03:24 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
I was only aware of Monday's school shooting in Texas, which looks like a targeted shooting of the sort referenced in that famous quote by Margaret Atwood.
It was in Italy, Texas.
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Originally Posted by EventHorizon View Post
Luckily, there are going to be plenty of thoughts and prayers and people will change their Facebook profile pictures so something like this will surely never happen again.

You know what the truly sad thing is? These shootings have become so common that they aren't even being discussed right now on any of the cable news networks. Mass shootings aren't even news anymore. They just are.
Sad but true. Today's shooting was carried out by a 15 year old, so not much gun control or pro-Trump angles, so the media won't give it too much thought. Unless he is white and killed non-whites.
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Old 23rd January 2018, 04:56 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by fagin View Post
In the interests of expediency, and based on similar threads.

Guns bad.

Guns good.

Debate can now progress to nitpicking on details of the type of gun used.
I believe you forgot to add:

Black guns scary

Brown guns less scary

(Hopefully I'm remembering correctly).
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Old 23rd January 2018, 06:33 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by EventHorizon View Post
Luckily, there are going to be plenty of thoughts and prayers and people will change their Facebook profile pictures so something like this will surely never happen again.

You know what the truly sad thing is? These shootings have become so common that they aren't even being discussed right now on any of the cable news networks. Mass shootings aren't even news anymore. They just are.
One shooting is not news. But the rate of them is. Kind of early in the year for that. Get back to me when you have some YTD stats for comparison.
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Old 23rd January 2018, 06:40 PM   #12
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Keep up-to-date! Still January, but we are off to a good start.

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
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Old 23rd January 2018, 06:44 PM   #13
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Sad but true. Today's shooting was carried out by a 15 year old, so not much gun control or pro-Trump angles, so the media won't give it too much thought. Unless he is white and killed non-whites.
He was quite overweight.

I'm going with bullied, not enough resources to help, and toss in coming from a gun family and he accessed the weapon at home because bullying alone doesn't always end up being so lethal.

A number of the kids airlifted out had GSWs to the head. I fear two is not going to be the final number here.
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Old 23rd January 2018, 06:47 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by novaphile View Post
I believe you forgot to add:

Black guns scary

Brown guns less scary

(Hopefully I'm remembering correctly).
And white guns, sad (after the fact) but now is not the time to talk about it.
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Old 23rd January 2018, 06:48 PM   #15
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One shooting is not news. But the rate of them is. Kind of early in the year for that. Get back to me when you have some YTD stats for comparison.
You do know that January is about as arbitrary as round numbers, right?

Why does the count get reset here?
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Yeah, let's not get too excited about school shootings until next January...at which point someone will talk about how we need to see the full 2019 numbers before getting too worked up.

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Hate to be callous but if Sandyhook didn't change anything this won't. There's no number of dead children that gun rights advocates won't step over for their silly little hobby.
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Old 23rd January 2018, 07:24 PM   #18
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
He was quite overweight.

I'm going with bullied, not enough resources to help, and toss in coming from a gun family and he accessed the weapon at home because bullying alone doesn't always end up being so lethal.
County Attorney Jeffrey Edwards said, "The shootings appeared to be random, with no specific people targeted."

But maybe he did target his tormentors.

https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...ool/1057137001
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How much is failure to secure weapons punished in US ? Is there a special law for it or is it just negligence with result in death ?
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The NRA is happy about this, it will drive up gun sales.
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Old 23rd January 2018, 09:00 PM   #21
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County Attorney Jeffrey Edwards said, "The shootings appeared to be random, with no specific people targeted."

But maybe he did target his tormentors.

https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...ool/1057137001
You don't have to target your tormentors if you simply believe everyone is the same.
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All hopped up on Tide pods is my guess.
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Has trump commented on it yet?
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And white guns, sad (after the fact) but now is not the time to talk about it.
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The NRA is happy about this, it will drive up gun sales.
Anti 2nd amendment advocates are even happier.
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Anti 2nd amendment advocates are even happier.
Why is that? It appears that no amount of deaths by guns changes gun laws.
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Anti 2nd amendment advocates are even happier.
Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
Why is that? It appears that no amount of deaths by guns changes gun laws.
Exactly. There is no atrocity that will convince gun lovers that the 2nd amendment isn't working as intended.
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Why is that? It appears that no amount of deaths by guns changes gun laws.
It has in California back to 1989, but with three separate laws on the books to restrict semi-auto firearms there isn't much benefit to be determined.
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It has in California back to 1989, but with three separate laws on the books to restrict semi-auto firearms there isn't much benefit to be determined.
That's debatable. The gun death rates have declined due to many factors and the restrictive gun laws very well could be one of those factors. Some studies suggest that it is a major factor.
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Nothing says America like shooting children.....
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Has trump commented on it yet?
I'm sure a surrogate told us that because the shooter isn't Muslim or an illegal immigrant we shouldn't politicize this.
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Hate to be callous but if Sandyhook didn't change anything this won't. There's no number of dead children that gun rights advocates won't step over for their silly little hobby.
Which is why we need to move school shootings from tragedy to comedy. I am looking forward to the presidents supporters harrassing the grieving parents myself.
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The NRA is happy about this, it will drive up gun sales.
Yep whip up some hysteria about how this will lead to guns being banned and what do you know a nice post Christmas sale uptake!
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The NRA is happy about this, it will drive up gun sales.
I don't know if the NRA is happy, but with the way things are going in Congress now, gun control is further down on the agenda. With Trump as president I suspect most of the people who would buy guns in case of a ban are not worrying at all now.

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Why is that? It appears that no amount of deaths by guns changes gun laws.
It has before. Recall the AWB of 1994? What about the state level laws you appear to be blind to?

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It has before. Recall the AWB of 1994? What about the state level laws you appear to be blind to?
Not for a long time. 1994 is a generation ago.
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Screw state level laws. Clearly that approach isn't working.

We need a national database that's used to weed out the bad guys. We need the same laws across state lines.
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Screw state level laws. Clearly that approach isn't working.

We need a national database that's used to weed out the bad guys. We need the same laws across state lines.
Would even this child be in said data base?
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I am trying to figure out how to run betting pools on mass shootings.
Someone mentioned pools. I'm going to tick that one off on my gun thread bingo card.
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Screw state level laws. Clearly that approach isn't working.

We need a national database that's used to weed out the bad guys. We need the same laws across state lines.
http://khon2.com/2015/01/30/hawaii-h...nalysis-finds/


Actually it's the state laws that tell us gun control works in stopping gun deaths.
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