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Old 4th November 2018, 01:08 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
And by the comments joensdaft116 is struggling with the FACT COMETS ARE ELECTRIC.
A "And by the comments joensdaft116 is struggling ..." delusion when this paper is not his electric comet insanity and jonesdave cites paupers on electrically charges dust..

This is working, textbook astrophysics. Sublimation of ices eject neutral dust grains. They will become electrically charged because there is sunlight and the solar wind. This has been known for many decades (50 years?) .

Electric comet idiots wrote stupid comments about this known astrophysics at the article. For example, insanity that jonesdave would deny that physics!
jonesdave cites some papers on charged dust at 67P.
jonesdave points out the obvious - this is not the EDM delusions of the idiot Thornhill.
jonesdave cites the paper and its reference to a 1985 paper predicting this effect!

cantdrive85 mindlessly parrots the electric comet insanity about electric discharges several times. cantdrive85 writes blatant lies, e.g. "Rosetta flew through a discharge jet" as if all of the instruments on Rosetta did not exist. There is the actual insanity of "the same form" from nuclear explosions in the Earth's atmosphere.
Steelwolf lies about jonesdave's comments which cited mainstream papers about electrically charged dust. Steelwolf writes a "Electromagnetism is on par with, and actually covers greater distances than does gravity" delusion.

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Old 4th November 2018, 01:11 PM   #42
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And by the comments joensdaft116 is struggling with the FACT COMETS ARE ELECTRIC.
Usual argument by insult when it is jonesdave that is citing actual science about charged dust in response to electric comet insanity.
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Along with the glaring fact comets are NOT leftovers from the formation of the solar system...
A "glaring fact" lie and insanity that comets made of "not actual rock" (ices and dust) are not leftovers from the formation of the solar system.

We may be back to pure electric comet insanity. Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.

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Old 4th November 2018, 01:19 PM   #44
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Kinda gunna hurt for the whole formation of the solar system farietale!
A delusion that comets being made of ices and dust impacts solar system formation.

This is actually insane since the Stardust mission collected dust grains from a comet and they are from the early solar system. New insights on comet tails are blowing in the solar wind supports how the few grains identified as formed in the early, hot, inner solar system ended up as part of comet Wild 2.
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"Now that we see the solar wind changed the position of dust grains in McNaught's tail, we can ask: Could it have been the case that early on in the solar system's history, the solar wind played a role in organizing ancient dust as well?" Jones said.

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Giant planets around young star raise questions about how planets form
Usual lies about a mainstream paper unrelated to his electric comet insanity.

Giant planets around young star raise questions about how planets form is a puzzle about the formation of hot Jupiter systems.
The Solar System is not a hot Jupiter system! Only about 1% of systems are a hot Jupiter system. This is the first detection of a hot Jupiter system with "sibling" gas giants. The question is whether this is common for hot Jupiter systems or is CI Tau an extreme case.

He almost tells the truth !
We know that comets are made of ices and dust because that is that is measured.
We know that the few comets where we have measured the proportion of ices and dust have more dust than ices on their surface.
We expect that this is true to a lesser degree for the bulk of those comets (the surface should have less ices because ices sublimate).
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Old 5th November 2018, 12:27 AM   #46
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This is working, textbook astrophysics. Sublimation of ices eject neutral dust grains. They will become electrically charged because there is sunlight and the solar wind. This has been known for many decades (50 years?) .
So we are at stage 3 now?
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So we are at stage 3 now?
hardly, as there is no electric comet model, we are basically still at stage 1, and will continue to reamain there.
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hardly, as there is no electric comet model, we are basically still at stage 1, and will continue to reamain there.
No, the mainstream NOW accept charge seperation in space plasmas and the assocated electric fields, this and the complete inadequateness of MHD and it's applications at comets leaves the mainstream with no viable model!

ELECTRIC COMET MODEL = A Rock on an eliptical orbit, discharging in the solar plasma flow.

Ummm....NOT ice and dust SUBLIMATING from the heat of the Sun.

and you still sucsefuly dodge my question, if Whipples model is in need of a bit of a "tweak" what model are we now comparing the ELECTRIC COMET model too?

In case you have NOT noticed, the dirtysnowball theory is "morphing" into key words of rock(not actual real rock), electric fields, plasma, field aligned currents and i'm STILL CALLING DOUBLE LAYER are active at comets!

Standard plasma physics that the mainstream CHOOSES to ignore (messy maths).
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ELECTRIC COMET MODEL = A Rock on an eliptical orbit, discharging in the solar plasma flow.

Ummm....NOT ice and dust SUBLIMATING from the heat of the Sun.
No rock. Fail. No discharges. Fail. Ice seen. Temperature exceeds sublimation temperature. Outcome? EC woo fails spectacularly and provably. Next.
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Nope, zero rock, and you will find no reference to rock in the paper.
Because scissors beat paper already?
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No, the mainstream NOW accept charge seperation ....
Usual lies about the mainstream to derail from his electric comet insanity.

The mainstream has accepted charge separation ever since charge was discovered !
The definition of plasma is a gas containing separated charges . Space plasma are plasmas!
Plasma physics has treated electric fields for maybe a century or more .
A stupid "the complete inadequateness of MHD and it's applications at comets" lie when he has been told repeatedly that the use or not (543 abstracts for 'MHD comet') of MHD is standard plasma physics.

Back to the insanity of comets are not ices and dust, are actual rock, etc. Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.

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and you still sucsefuly dodge my question, if Whipples model is in need of a bit of a "tweak" what model are we now comparing the ELECTRIC COMET model too?
We will not compare the real world with a "model" lie about insane delusions from a semi-religious cult (Thunderbolts) or its followers.

The electric comet delusion has at least 45 years without a scientific electric comet model or observations to support it!

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.

In case you have NOT noticed, the dirtysnowball theory is "morphing" into key words of rock(not actual real rock), electric fields, plasma, field aligned currents and i'm STILL CALLING DOUBLE LAYER are active at comets!

Standard plasma physics that the mainstream CHOOSES to ignore (messy maths).[/quote]

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Noand you still sucsefuly dodge my question, if Whipples model is in need of a bit of a "tweak" ...
Usual stupidity about the fact that science progresses. Fairly typical of someone who has been vomiting up the literally set in stone dogma of a cult for many years.

Whipple's model was proposed in the early 1950's based on the physical evidence of the time, e.g. that the density and origin of comets shows that they were ices and dust. That composition has not changed. The main features of the model have not changed. There is still sublimation of ices, etc. Whipple's model has been "tweaked" for the last 70 years as new data has been collected.

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A "morphing" lie when astronomers use a "rock" label, etc

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In case you have NOT noticed, the dirtysnowball theory is "morphing" into key words of rock(not actual real rock), electric fields, plasma, field aligned currents and i'm STILL CALLING DOUBLE LAYER are active at comets!
A "morphing" lie when astronomers use a "rock" label for ices and dust, and have always used the words electric fields and plasma.
He has cited papers published over the past decade were astronomers use geological terms for cometary material made of ices and dust. There are
1076 abstracts for 'comet rock'!
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... field aligned currents and i'm STILL CALLING DOUBLE LAYER are active at comets!.
He calls his "USUAL DOUBLE LAYER are active at comets" delusion.

Someone so abysmally ignorant as to believe tin the insane delusions and lies of the Thunderbolts cult is not capable of "calling" anything.

18 November 2010: The lies, failures and successes of Thunderbolts Deep Impact predictions by Wal Thornhill
10th April 2015: The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos, etc.
13 April 2018: A couple of the delusions in Scott's Birkeland current paper.

The electric comet delusion has at least 45 years without a scientific electric comet model or observations to support it!

Over 3 years of the fear of doing basic physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.
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Usual lies about the mainstream to derail from his electric comet insanity.

The mainstream has accepted charge separation ever since charge was discovered !
The definition of plasma is a gas containing separated charges . Space plasma are plasmas!
Plasma physics has treated electric fields for maybe a century or more .
A stupid "the complete inadequateness of MHD and it's applications at comets" lie when he has been told repeatedly that the use or not (543 abstracts for 'MHD comet') of MHD is standard plasma physics.

Back to the insanity of comets are not ices and dust, are actual rock, etc. Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.

just for RC!

Debye length Yes!!!

Electron and Ion Dynamics of the Solar Wind Interaction with a Weakly Outgassing Comet
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Cometary electrons eventually end up neutralizing the solar wind protons, and solar wind electrons eventually neutralize the cometary ions.
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In a low density plasma, localized space charge regions may build up large potential drops over distances of the order of some tens of the Debye lengths. Such regions have been called electric double layers. An electric double layer is the simplest space charge distribution that gives a potential drop in the layer and a vanishing electric field on each side of the layer. In the laboratory, double layers have been studied for half a century, but their importance in cosmic plasmas has not been generally recognized.
— Hannes Alfvén, [7]
What's the Debye scale here in the solar wind RC?

Double Layers WILL be confirmed as operational at comets.

along with they are REAL ROCK, namely hydrated minerals!

Sublimating ice

How's the theory on cometary jets coming along? Jessica had any success in finding that sub surface energy? Evidence of sub-surface energy storage in comet 67P from the outburst of 2016 July 3
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The high dust mass production rate is incompatible with the free sublimation of crystalline water ice under solar illumination as the only acceleration process. Additional energy stored near the surface must have increased the gas density. We suggest a pressurized sub-surface gas reservoir, or the crystallization of amorphous water ice as possible causes.
Well concert ruled out pressurised chambers, so that leaves fictional phase change of fictional ice!

but

We WILL PROVE Whipple was right!

good luck.


THE ELECTRIC COMET

A rock trying to seek electrical equilibrium within the space charge is is currently moving thru!
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just for RC! ...
Yet more lies and deluded questions about basic science to derail from his electric comet insanity.
  1. This is the Debye length which I have cited to him many times !
  2. Deluded "What's the Debye scale here in the solar wind" question when the article that he cited gives it - 10 meters.
  3. Double layer stupidity.
  4. Comets are real rock insanity.
  5. Deluded "How's the theory on cometary jets coming along?" question.
    The theory of cometary jets has been around and valid for 70 years .
  6. Deluded "Jessica had any success in finding that sub surface energy?" question.
    Jessica Sunshine probably stated the source in her paper - subsurface ice at a guess however Sol88 is not brave enough to cite it.
    12 October 2018: Usual idiotic question and lie about jets to derail from his electric comet insanity.
    12 March 2018: More lies to detail from his many comet delusions.
    The distribution of water ice in the interior of Comet Tempel 1
    Icy Grains from the Nucleus of Comet C/2013 US 10 (Catalina)
    Comparative study of water ice exposures on cometary nuclei using multispectral imaging data
    Water ice and dust in the innermost coma of comet 103P/Hartley 2
    Size distribution of icy grains in the coma of 103P/Hartley 2
    Water Ice on Comet 103P/Hartley 2
    Icy Grains in Comet 103P/Hartley 2
    Activity in Comet Tempel 1: Linking the Coma and the Nucleus' Surface
    The distribution of water ice in the interior of Comet Tempel 1
  7. Stupid citation of a paper on a comet outburst when that paper reports the detection of dust and ice grains .
    Evidence of sub-surface energy storage in comet 67P from the outburst of 2016 July 03
    Also a bit delusional because this is an outburst, not a jet.
  8. An "concert ruled out pressurised chambers" lie.
    CONSERT established that the interior of 67P was "fairly homogeneous on the scale of tens of metres".
    That does not rule pressurized subsurface, i.e. close enough to outgas, chambers a few tens of meters across.
  9. "fictional phase change of fictional ice" insanity when the phase changes of ice are fact.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.

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Yup, thought so!

Reality Check = Noob

Care to discuss the Debye length for the solar wind and Jan Deca's paper?

I'll highlight the relevent section again for you sport!

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Cometary electrons eventually end up neutralizing the solar wind protons, and solar wind electrons eventually neutralize the cometary ions.
What is the Debye radius in the solar wind again RC?

i.e the charge separation the EU crowd are on about are not relality check's rather simplistic explanation of charge separation in a plasma as described by
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"Except near the electrodes, where there are sheaths containing very few electrons, the ionised gas contains ions and electrons in about equal numbers so that the resultant space charge is very small. We shall use the name plasma to describe this region containing balanced charges of ions and electrons."[16]
so reality check is absolutely 100% correct, plasma contains separated charges!

Is this what Jan Deca's is on about?
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To conclude, we have produced the first 3D fully kinetic and electromagnetic simulations of the solarwind interaction with a weakly outgassing comet, for which the collisional interaction between the neutral gas and (mass-loading) plasma can be ignored, as is representative of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko at 3 A.U.
Ahh the solar "wind", cheers Whipple!

Hows that diamagnetic cavity formed again rc?
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No, the mainstream NOW accept charge seperation in space plasmas and the assocated electric fields, this and the complete inadequateness of MHD and it's applications at comets leaves the mainstream with no viable model!

ELECTRIC COMET MODEL = A Rock on an eliptical orbit, discharging in the solar plasma flow.
Sorry to tell you this, but in plasma physics there have always been electric field, but NOT THE ELECTRIC FIELDS THAT THE ELECTRIC COMET IDEA IS PROPOSING.
Just the presence of an electric field does not "prove the EC idea" (I stop using even model, because there is absolutely nothing there).
Unless you come up with evidence and a model actually describing this electric field around the sun and the adoption of the potential by a comet and the enormous discharges that are talked about by the thunderguys, then and only then can there be any further discussion.
I do not have to defend mainstream physics, which are backed up by good science that actually works, to people coming with "electric ideas" who don't have even the slightest comprehension of physics let alone plasma physics.
EC is dead, unless the thunderguys (or Sol) take actual data into their hands and show that their ideas have merit.
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A rock trying to seek electrical equilibrium within the space charge is is currently moving thru!
No rock. Fail. Solar plasma not even reaching comet for 7 - 8 months. Fail.
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Sorry to tell you this, but in plasma physics there have always been electric field, but NOT THE ELECTRIC FIELDS THAT THE ELECTRIC COMET IDEA IS PROPOSING.
Just the presence of an electric field does not "prove the EC idea" (I stop using even model, because there is absolutely nothing there).
Unless you come up with evidence and a model actually describing this electric field around the sun and the adoption of the potential by a comet and the enormous discharges that are talked about by the thunderguys, then and only then can there be any further discussion.
I do not have to defend mainstream physics, which are backed up by good science that actually works, to people coming with "electric ideas" who don't have even the slightest comprehension of physics let alone plasma physics.
EC is dead, unless the thunderguys (or Sol) take actual data into their hands and show that their ideas have merit.
The sad thing is that Sol is probably the only person on the planet who still believes this science-free, evidence-free woo. I doubt that even Thornhill and Talbott believe it these days (assuming they ever did). It's all a bunch of nonsense dreamed up by two unqualified loons, and Sol has bought into it due to being at least as scientifically illiterate as the aforementioned loons. At least they had a financial reason for plugging this nonsense to the hard of thinking. Sol is just....well.........hard of thinking. Sad.
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^^^ ...
Insult and a deluded question to derail from his electric comet insanity.

Electron and Ion Dynamics of the Solar Wind Interaction with a Weakly Outgassing Comet
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Cometary nuclei are small, irregularly shaped “icy dirt balls” left over from the dawn of our Solar System 4.6 billion years ago and are composed of a mixture of ices, refractory materials, and large organic molecules [1–4]. When a comet is sufficiently close to the Sun, the sublimation of ice leads to an outgassing atmosphere and the formation of a coma, and a dust and plasma tail.
This is the solar wind interacting with the gases from sublimating ices from a comet. Sunlight ionizes the neutral gases. The electrons neutralize protons in the solar wind. Solar wind electron neutralize the coma ions. Thus
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Cometary electrons eventually end up neutralizing the solar wind protons, and solar wind electrons eventually neutralize the cometary ions.
as anyone who understands English and knows physics can see.

The Debye length of the solar wind is 10 meters and has nothing to do with the paper he cites or his quote above from it. It is deluded for him
  1. to cite a paper that states comets are ices and dust formed in the early Solar System.
  2. to seemingly think that a plasma being quasi-neutral above scales of 10 meters means that elections cannot neutralize ions when 2 plasmas collide.
  3. to quote Alfven on double layers when there is no evidence that comets have them.
  4. to think that I would answer a question from a person who has been blindly following the insane Thunderbolts cult for 9 years despite all of the attempts to educate them
Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.
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Also ...
More delusions to derail from his electric comet insanity.

It is not Whipple's solar wind. It was Eugene Parker who in 1958 published the foundational paper on the solar wind being an explanation of comet tails.
Insane highlighting of a quote makes his electric comet insanity more insane.
The delusion that I would answer a question from a person who has been blindly following the insane Thunderbolts cult for 9 years despite all of the attempts to educate them.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.

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Another spate of ~276 items of ignorance, idiocy (citing irrelevant mainstream papers), delusion, derails, insults, and lies from 27 July 2018 to 17 October 2018
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Another spate of ~296 items of ignorance, idiocy (citing irrelevant mainstream papers), delusion, derails, insults, and lies from 27 July 2018 to 7 November 2018
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DOUBLE LAYERS are an active plasma component around comets!!!

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Downstream of the comet nucleus (to the left) around z = 0, there is a large load of electromagnetic energy (in red), E. J > 0, where the water ions are being accelerated. The power density for electrons (not shown), E . Je, is close to zero outside the shock-like structure, and it is somewhat lower than the other power densities elsewhere. In Fig. 5b, the electromagnetic generator (in blue) is along the shock-like structure with an electromagnetic load (in red) close to y = 0 downstream of the comet nucleus, where most water ions are located (compare with the water ion density in Fig.1f).
Energy conversion in cometary atmospheres Hybrid modeling of 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko

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What's going on here Super Duper Space Plasma Physicist?

Are you able to clarify since you've also done some work on Earths magnetoshpere

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Aims. We wish to investigate the energy conversion between particles and electromagnetic fields and determine the location where it
occurs in the plasma environment of comets.
Methods. We used a hybrid plasma model that included photoionization, and we considered two cases of the solar extreme ultraviolet
flux. Other parameters corresponded to the conditions of comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko at a heliocentric distance of 1.5 AU.
Results. We find that a shock-like structure is formed upstream of the comet and acts as an electromagnetic generator, similar to the
bow shock at Earth that slows down the solar wind
. The Poynting flux transports electromagnetic energy toward the inner coma, where
newly born cometary ions are accelerated. Upstream of the shock-like structure, we find local energy transfer from solar wind ions to
cometary ions. We show that mass loading can be a local process with a direct transfer of energy, but also part of a dynamo system
with electromagnetic generators and loads.
Conclusions. The energization of cometary ions is governed by a dynamo system for weak ionization, but changes into a large
conversion region with local transfer of energy directly from solar wind protons for high ionization.
Key words. comets: individual: 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko – Sun: UV radiation – solar wind – methods: numerical –
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Whooboy!!! classic

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The sad thing is that Sol is probably the only person on the planet who still believes this science-free, evidence-free woo. I doubt that even Thornhill and Talbott believe it these days (assuming they ever did). It's all a bunch of nonsense dreamed up by two unqualified loons, and Sol has bought into it due to being at least as scientifically illiterate as the aforementioned loons. At least they had a financial reason for plugging this nonsense to the hard of thinking. Sol is just....well.........hard of thinking. Sad.
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All double layers observed so far are parts of a large‐scale electric circuit carrying a current driven by a generator and dissipated in a load. Thus the whole circuit must be analyzed in order to understand properly the generation and nature of double layers.
Double layers and electrostatic shocks in space

I can hear you grinding your teeth from here jd116!
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oh and just to reiterate

this is GARDEN VARIETY PLASMA PHYSICS

the only "woo" here is it's application to comets!

Now, it's not woo!

Glad is ONLY taken 10 years for the big bangers to catch up!

The electromagnetic force DOMINATES puny gravity.
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Sol88 doubles down on...
Sol88 lies about double layers and a mainstream paper yet again.

DOUBLE LAYERS are a specific structure in an active plasma component and have never been detected around comets !

Energy conversion in cometary atmospheres Hybrid modeling of 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko has no double layers.

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Thumbs down Stupidity of a uncited quote to derail from his electric comet insanity

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What's going on here Super Duper Space Plasma Physicist?...
Stupidity of a uncited quote to derail from his electric comet insanity.

A doubly stupid question because this is a quote from Energy conversion in cometary atmospheres Hybrid modeling of 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko and the highlight text is clear English.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.

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Thumbs down Sol88 is still spewing out the same delusions that he has held for the last 9 years

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Come at me jonesdave116, Reality Check and anyone else who cares to have a crack!
Since you insist: Sol88 is still spewing out the same delusions that he has held for the last 9 years.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.
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Thumbs down The lurkers know that this citation emphasizes his electric comet insanity

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Oh just for the lurkers
The lurkers know that this citation emphasizes his electric comet insanity.

Double layers and electrostatic shocks in space published in 1979 in Reviews of Geophysics is about the evidence for double layers in the Earth's ionosphere as in the abstract ("rocket measurements, satellite observations, and plasma cloud releases above the polar ionosphere") !

Nothing to do with Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.

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Sol88 lies about double layers and a mainstream paper yet again.

DOUBLE LAYERS are a specific structure in an active plasma component and have never been detected around comets !

Energy conversion in cometary atmospheres Hybrid modeling of 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko has no double layers.
Please feel free to correct me,
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What are these shocks that acts as loads and generators deluded reality check?

(This should be good for a giggle )

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Key words. comets: individual: 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko – Sun: UV radiation – solar wind – methods: numerical –
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oh and just to reiterate ...
The reiteration is irrelevant lies and delusions to derail from his electric comet insanity.

The "GARDEN VARIETY PLASMA PHYSICS" is a paper about the plasma around 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko and a geophysics paper!

Stupidity of "big bangers" insanity when the Big Bang is cosmology, not comets.
Stupidity of "taken 10 years" when astronomers have been modeling the interaction between the solar wind and comet coma for decades.
Insanity of "electromagnetic force DOMINATES puny gravity" when everyone knows a neutral massive body has zero electromagnetic force and non-zero gravitational force.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.
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Since rc is a little denser today I'll reiterate again

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Please feel free to correct me,
Edited by zooterkin:  <SNIP>
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...
Insults, a lie, and a deluded question to derail from his eclectic compete insanity.
He has been corrected. There are none of his delusion of double layers around a comet in the cited papers.
I have told him several times that I will not waste my time answering questions from a person who has been vomiting the electric comet for 9 years despite people trying to educate him for those 9 years.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.

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Since rc is a little denser today I'll reiterate again
The lurkers know that this citation emphasizes his electric comet insanity.
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The reiteration is irrelevant lies and delusions to derail from his electric comet insanity.

The "GARDEN VARIETY PLASMA PHYSICS" is a paper about the plasma around 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko and a geophysics paper!

Stupidity of "big bangers" insanity when the Big Bang is cosmology, not comets.
Stupidity of "taken 10 years" when astronomers have been modeling the interaction between the solar wind and comet coma for decades.
Insanity of "electromagnetic force DOMINATES puny gravity" when everyone knows a neutral massive body has zero electromagnetic force and non-zero gravitational force.

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.
Edited by zooterkin:  <SNIP>
Edited for rule 0 and rule 12.



So answer this
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  1. Are comets left over from the formation of the solar system?
  2. Did the Solar system FORM from the collapse of the solar nebula?
  3. Was this nebula left over "gas and dust" from the big bang?
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