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Old 31st October 2018, 05:27 AM   #1
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3 Children Killed by Woman Who Failed to Stop For Stopped School Bus

An Indiana woman is facing three counts of negligent homicide after failing to stop for a school bus loading/unloading, resulting in the deaths of 3 children.

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/t...LV1wc_YuNAQ70s

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ndiana State Police say 24-year-old Alyssa Shepherd of Rochester was arrested and charged with three counts of reckless homicide and one misdemeanor count of passing a school bus when arm signal device is extended, causing bodily injury. Shepherd was being held on a $15,000 surety bond.

State Police Sgt. Tony Slocum says 6-year-old twin brothers Xzavier and Mason Ingle died at the scene Tuesday morning along with their 9-year-old sister,

The siblings and an 11-year-old boy were struck about 7 a.m., before sunrise, as they were crossing a two-lane road near Rochester, about 100 miles (160 kilometers) north of Indianapolis, to board a Tippecanoe Valley School Corp. bus.

Slocum says the injured boy, Maverik Lowe, is undergoing surgery at a Fort Wayne hospital.
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Old 31st October 2018, 06:18 AM   #2
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Old 31st October 2018, 06:37 AM   #3
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I don't know what there is to discuss here.

Don't drive over kids, people!
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Old 31st October 2018, 07:45 AM   #4
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I don't know what there is to discuss here.

Don't drive over kids, people!
I'm sure she had somewhere terribly important to get to...
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Old 31st October 2018, 07:49 AM   #5
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Don't drive over kids, people!
But my suspension isn't tall enough to drive over adults!
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Old 31st October 2018, 07:58 AM   #6
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Texting?

No mention of being drunk.

Not sure how else you miss a big bus lit up like a Christmas tree...other than not looking where you are going.
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
I don't know what there is to discuss here.
People will defend anything on this board. Somebody will be along with some alternative universe trolley problem reason this was okay.
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Old 31st October 2018, 08:19 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
People will defend anything on this board. Somebody will be along with some alternative universe trolley problem reason this was okay.
This would never have happened if they'd had high-speed rail.
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Old 31st October 2018, 08:24 AM   #11
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People will defend anything on this board. Somebody will be along with some alternative universe trolley problem reason this was okay.
School buses impede traffic and cause backups. Isn't it human nature to strive to be free of such constraints? And why wasn't the bus driver looking out for those children, letting them run out in front of moving cars?

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Old 31st October 2018, 08:37 AM   #12
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Texting?

No mention of being drunk.

Not sure how else you miss a big bus lit up like a Christmas tree...other than not looking where you are going.
It's worth asking exactly that question in depth to keep it from happening again. According the the story, this happened before sunrise, and the driver was driving toward -- that is, facing -- the schoolbus. She might well have been drunk or texting. She might also have been blinded by the bus headlights and not seen the flashers, or maybe the road is curved and she didn't see the bus in time to stop. Maybe the kids ran into the street as soon as the bus stopped, but too late for her to stop. Maybe it's a bad place to put a schoolbus stop if the kids have to cross a highway in the dark to get to it.

Not excusing anything. The driver should go to prison. But there are other factors to consider.
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Old 31st October 2018, 08:39 AM   #13
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Texting?

No mention of being drunk.

Not sure how else you miss a big bus lit up like a Christmas tree...other than not looking where you are going.
I doubt she missed seeing the bus.
She will have been trying to get round it because she had somewhere terribly important to get to and it was in the way.
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Old 31st October 2018, 08:42 AM   #14
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People will defend anything on this board. Somebody will be along with some alternative universe trolley problem reason this was okay.
It's possible the kids were junior members of BLM trying to impede traffic, the driver was on her way to the hospital as she was having an allergic reaction to olives on her pizza, or the bus driver was unconvinced the kids actually attended the school because they refused to display their locker keys and so wouldn't let them board, keeping them out in the road.

Fine people on both sides, really.
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Old 31st October 2018, 11:10 AM   #15
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An Indiana woman is facing three counts of negligent homicide after failing to stop for a school bus loading/unloading, resulting in the deaths of 3 children.

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/t...LV1wc_YuNAQ70s
This story made me very sad, we have cameras on some of our school buses to watch for drivers.
But I see people every now and then ignore the law and the obvious blinking red lights and stop sign
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Old 31st October 2018, 11:11 AM   #16
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School buses impede traffic and cause backups. Isn't it human nature to strive to be free of such constraints? And why wasn't the bus driver looking out for those children, letting them run out in front of moving cars?

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Isn't it human nature to strive to be free of such constraints?
That is an assertive assumption.
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"Indiana State Police say 24-year-old Alyssa Shepherd of Rochester was arrested and charged with three counts of reckless homicide and one misdemeanor count of passing a school bus when arm signal device is extended, causing bodily injury. Shepherd was being held on a $15,000 surety bond."
Had to look that one up. Here "school buses" are just regular buses (yes, even double-deckers) on school routes. Mind you, we've long had the Green Cross Code to teach kids how to cross road safely (obviously anywhere they want/need to), and without movable signalling devices.
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Old 31st October 2018, 12:14 PM   #18
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Isn't it human nature to strive to be free of such constraints?
That is an assertive assumption.
No. Soaring rhetoric.
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Had to look that one up. Here "school buses" are just regular buses (yes, even double-deckers) on school routes. Mind you, we've long had the Green Cross Code to teach kids how to cross road safely (obviously anywhere they want/need to), and without movable signalling devices.
I was actually interested in how this event would be seen by other countries; with specialized "school buses" being a mostly American and Canadian thing.
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I'm sure she had somewhere terribly important to get to...
She was late for her accident.
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It's possible the kids were junior members of BLM trying to impede traffic, the driver was on her way to the hospital as she was having an allergic reaction to olives on her pizza, or the bus driver was unconvinced the kids actually attended the school because they refused to display their locker keys and so wouldn't let them board, keeping them out in the road.

Fine people on both sides, really.
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Old 31st October 2018, 02:43 PM   #22
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Texting?

No mention of being drunk.

Not sure how else you miss a big bus lit up like a Christmas tree...other than not looking where you are going.
New cars with the overly bright humongously ginormous attention robbing LCD screen in the middle of the dash, should be outlawed. Also, the overlybright "fog lamps" mounted on the lower bumper should also be outlawed.
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Old 31st October 2018, 03:18 PM   #23
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I was actually interested in how this event would be seen by other countries; with specialized "school buses" being a mostly American and Canadian thing.
In much of the world, including some U.S. cities, public transportation is adequate to get kids to school. But in most of the U.S., there would be no way for kids to get to school without Big Yellow.

More from the local paper:
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Shepherd remained at the scene after the crash and cooperated with investigators. She was given a blood test as is standard in all fatal crashes, but police said they do not think alcohol or drugs played a factor. The speed limit on this stretch of two-lane highway is 55 mph, slowing to 45 mph on curves.

There are curves just north and just south of the crash site.
So the school bus stop was positioned around a curve where where young children are required to walk across a 55-mph highway. The driver isn't the only person at fault here. I wonder if the school bus driver had his high beams on; if so, the car driver might have been blinded.
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/...na/1817049002/

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School buses were started mainly in rural districts where Public Transportatin was simply not feasible.
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Old 31st October 2018, 03:26 PM   #25
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People will defend anything on this board. Somebody will be along with some alternative universe trolley problem reason this was okay.
Hey, it's just not here. Contrarians who will take any position, no matter how stupid, just for the sake of starting an argument are all over the Internet.
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Hey, it's just not here. Contrarians who will take any position, no matter how stupid, just for the sake of starting an argument are all over the Internet.
Who says so? Prove it!
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ABC is reporting that the car driver is saying she didn't see the bus until it was too late to stop. Neighbors say they have been complaining about the location of the stop for years, and authorities are now moving the route off the highway.
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ABC is reporting that the car driver is saying she didn't see the bus until it was too late to stop. Neighbors say they have been complaining about the location of the stop for years, and authorities are now moving the route off the highway.
I agree if there were a lot of curves setting the speed limit to 55 would make it a "Should I stop for the bus or get rear ended?" proposition for most oncoming drivers.
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New cars with the overly bright humongously ginormous attention robbing LCD screen in the middle of the dash, should be outlawed. Also, the overlybright "fog lamps" mounted on the lower bumper should also be outlawed.
No - fog lights are actually useful. In fog. What should be outlawed is using them in clear conditions.
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Even as a UK driver I understand the US school bus stop sign laws. it's logical. Admittedly, I learnt to drive in Germany where laws about trams are relatively similar.
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But my suspension isn't tall enough to drive over adults!
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From what I've read, this is looking less like a case of "entitled driver chooses to selfishly disregard school bus law; tragedy results" and more like "unsafe driver meets unsafe school bus stop; tragedy results."

By unsafe driver I mean, she was going too fast to avoid a visible hazard in the road from the point where it became visible. If you're driving and you can't see ahead because of a curve or a hill, in enough time to stop for an unexpected hazard on the road (could be a stalled vehicle, or a moose, or flood water, or a brick wall hurriedly built by the Joker, or four children crossing for a school bus) once it comes in view, you're going too fast, no matter what the speed limit signs say.

Unfortunately, almost no drivers in the U.S. understand this. And for some reason the useless parasite "authorities" in this case who collected taxes and sat on their hands and ignored the residents' "complaints" for years didn't understand that. Until lives (not theirs, of course) were ruined.
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There was a case a couple of weeks ago here where someone put their car through someone's front window. Vertically. In a 40kph zone.
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From what I've read, this is looking less like a case of "entitled driver chooses to selfishly disregard school bus law; tragedy results" and more like "unsafe driver meets unsafe school bus stop; tragedy results."

By unsafe driver I mean, she was going too fast to avoid a visible hazard in the road from the point where it became visible. If you're driving and you can't see ahead because of a curve or a hill, in enough time to stop for an unexpected hazard on the road (could be a stalled vehicle, or a moose, or flood water, or a brick wall hurriedly built by the Joker, or four children crossing for a school bus) once it comes in view, you're going too fast, no matter what the speed limit signs say.
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We do get this. Some people call it "overdriving your headlights." In this particular case, she was facing the front of the school bus. She might well have seen headlights on the other side of the road without being able to see the flashing lights behind the glare of the headlights until she was past the headlight beams, which would mean almost next to the bus. The kids might well have seen the approaching car and stepped into the street anyway because they assumed it would stop. A lot of things went wrong here, but the starting point is that a bus stop was placed where children had to walk/run across a 55-mph highway in the dark to get to it, despite numerous complaints from neighbors and parents. This is one of those tragedies that was foreseeable and preventable.
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There is no effing way that the speed limit should be 55-mph at a bus stop.

There is a stretch of highway in this area with a speed limit of 55-mph. This was fine when the highway was built over 40 years ago, but since then there have been a number of housing developments built that are accessed by streets that branch off of this highway. School buses stop at these intersections. Fortunately, these developments are all on one side of the highway, and the bus always stops on that side, so children don't have to cross the highway, but I've occasionally seen morons dart around stopped buses anyway. It's also a danger when people have to stop their car and cross traffic while turning left into these streets. People have been trying for years to get the speed limit down to 40 on this stretch of highway, but the state is in charge of the road and hasn't done a damn thing about it. I guess somebody will have to get killed before they do anything.
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In Australia you don't have to stop when a bus is on the other side of the road.
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In Australia you don't have to stop when a bus is on the other side of the road.

A bus or a schoolbus? In the U.S. you don't generally have to stop for a bus at all. You do have to stop for a schoolbus with its flashers on unless there is a median separating the directional lanes.

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Old 31st October 2018, 09:18 PM   #38
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
A bus or a schoolbus? In the U.S. you don't generally have to stop for a bus at all. You do have to stop for a schoolbus with its flashers on unless there is a median separating the directional lanes.
In most places in Australia that I'm aware of, there's no difference between a bus and a school bus. A school bus is simply a bus that's on a school route.
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In most places in Australia that I'm aware of, there's no difference between a bus and a school bus. A school bus is simply a bus that's on a school route.

In the U.S. schoolbuses are purpose-built, with color, flashers, pop-out stop sign and other elements mandated by law.

https://thomasbuiltbuses.com/school-buses/
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Women in 4x4s. Shouldn't be allowed.
You might like Saudi Arabia.
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