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Old 4th May 2019, 12:49 AM   #3521
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Daughter products assumed to be from parents.

Where do all the organics come from? For instance CN?
That is another question. You criticised the use of a model that was not used. I asked, what is your take on that, and you just raise another issue.

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This has lead the mainstream to assume comets MUST be mostly ice.
You do not think that the measurement of ice had anything to do with it?

In your Electric Comet, comets are supposed to be rock (not dust, but rock), so the same issue is pertinent to your theory: Where does all the water come from? The Electric Comet has no viable mechanism for producing this from rock without electric forces that would have been very apparent, if they had been there.
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Old 4th May 2019, 02:39 AM   #3522
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Originally Posted by steenkh View Post
That is another question. You criticised the use of a model that was not used. I asked, what is your take on that, and you just raise another issue.


You do not think that the measurement of ice had anything to do with it?

In your Electric Comet, comets are supposed to be rock (not dust, but rock), so the same issue is pertinent to your theory: Where does all the water come from? The Electric Comet has no viable mechanism for producing this from rock without electric forces that would have been very apparent, if they had been there.
Hydrated minerals, same as seen on Bennu and Ryugu.

Spark machines via surface electric fields.

All models mentioned above are overestimating the production of volitiles.
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Hydrated minerals, same as seen on Bennu and Ryugu.

Spark machines via surface electric fields.

All models mentioned above are overestimating the production of volitiles.
Complete drivel. You need very high temperatures to release volatiles from hydrated minerals. You haven't got them. And that is not what is happening at asteroids, either. You are making crap up. As usual. And there are no idiotic spark machines (whatever the hell they are). They would be detected. And the models are not overestimating the outgassing. The rates detected fit very well with the nucleus rotation changes, and the non-gravitational acceleration.
Just give up. Your idiotic woo has failed. 100%. You are merely trolling.
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Old 4th May 2019, 04:23 AM   #3524
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Are the mainstream even looking?

As far as I know you have no instruments looking for microscopic spark machined rock.

Why would they? Craniums firmly wedged up their rectums trying to prove Whipple floored model correct.

Can’t see the bleeding obvious right in front of them.

It’s were the dust and volitiles are coming from.

Same as “active” asteroid Bennu.

Got to be a world of hurt from the mainstream when those papers come in.

Intense surface electric fields doing all mainstream ascribe to sublimation.

Funny as.

Just reading your and rc’s Comments are quite entertaining.
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Complete drivel. You need very high temperatures to release volatiles from hydrated minerals. You haven't got them. And that is not what is happening at asteroids, either. You are making crap up. As usual. And there are no idiotic spark machines (whatever the hell they are). They would be detected. And the models are not overestimating the outgassing. The rates detected fit very well with the nucleus rotation changes, and the non-gravitational acceleration.
Just give up. Your idiotic woo has failed. 100%. You are merely trolling.
Since when do electric fields need to be hot?
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Hydrated minerals, same as seen on Bennu and Ryugu.



Spark machines via surface electric fields.
Then it must be a huge problem for your model that these surface electric fields have been absent.
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Originally Posted by steenkh View Post
Then it must be a huge problem for your model that these surface electric fields have been absent.
Are they?

We see them at asteroids, so why not comets.

If you are ignorant of these facts, google is your friend.

Electric fields + asteroids, see how ya go.
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Are the mainstream even looking?

As far as I know you have no instruments looking for microscopic spark machined rock.

Why would they? Craniums firmly wedged up their rectums trying to prove Whipple floored model correct.

Can’t see the bleeding obvious right in front of them.

It’s were the dust and volitiles are coming from.

Same as “active” asteroid Bennu.

Got to be a world of hurt from the mainstream when those papers come in.

Intense surface electric fields doing all mainstream ascribe to sublimation.

Funny as.

Just reading your and rc’s Comments are quite entertaining.
Another idiotic comment replete with lies. They look at temperature. No anomalous temperatures. Nowhere near hot enough to bake volatiles out of hydrated minerals. No science, no mechanism, no evidence. As usual. Complete drivel.
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Since when do electric fields need to be hot?
What electric fields? Stop talking crap. You need high temperatures to get volatiles out of hydrated minerals. End of story. Instead of posting utter garbage on here, why don't you spend the time more wisely, and learn some science?
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Are they?

We see them at asteroids, so why not comets.

If you are ignorant of these facts, google is your friend.

Electric fields + asteroids, see how ya go.
Where do we see them at asteroids? They are modelled. And they will be higher than at comets. And yet the vast majority of asteroids are not outgassing. And comets are. Really dumb idea. Your woo has failed. Your pathetic, unscientific attempts to save it merely point to your religious faith in this idiotic garbage. It failed. Get over it.
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Which instruments on Rosetta would detect this temperature if it were there, jonesdave116?
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That is another question. You criticised the use of a model that was not used. I asked, what is your take on that, and you just raise another issue.


You do not think that the measurement of ice had anything to do with it?

In your Electric Comet, comets are supposed to be rock (not dust, but rock), so the same issue is pertinent to your theory: Where does all the water come from? The Electric Comet has no viable mechanism for producing this from rock without electric forces that would have been very apparent, if they had been there.


Like trying to herd cats, you mob.

How did the Earth get its water? Asteroid sample gives a surprising answer

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Thanks to the Japanese Hayabusa mission we now have fresh evidence. The spacecraft brought back a precious cargo of grains retrieved from the surface of asteroid 25143 Itokawa in 2010. The researchers behind the new study were able to analyse the water content of two grains. They used a sophisticated piece of kit called an ion microprobe, which bombards a sample with a beam of ions (charged atoms) in order to probe the composition of its surface.
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The results were surprising: the grains contained up to 1,000 parts per million of water. Knowing the composition of Itokawa, the researchers could then estimate the water content of the entire asteroid, which translated to between 160 and 510 parts per million of water. This is more than had been anticipated – remote measurements of two similar bodies (also S-type asteroids) found that one contained 30 and the other 300 parts per million water.
Surprising???

Not really from an electric comet standpoint but very much for the mainstream.

So, steenkh, why not comets?
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Where do we see them at asteroids? They are modelled. And they will be higher than at comets. And yet the vast majority of asteroids are not outgassing. And comets are. Really dumb idea. Your woo has failed. Your pathetic, unscientific attempts to save it merely point to your religious faith in this idiotic garbage. It failed. Get over it.
We only need one to throw a spanner in your short sighted and floored reasoning. We have several now including one we are currently orbiting.

So have a real go ya mug..
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Which instruments on Rosetta would detect this temperature if it were there, jonesdave116?
Errrm, which one looks at the surface in IR? Would it be V(IR)TIS? What did they look at the surface of Tempel 1 and Hartley 2 in? Guess what? The most active area of Hartley 2, where the CO2 jets and ice were spewing out, were a wee bit colder (unsurprisingly) than areas that were less active;

The temperature, thermal inertia, roughness and color of the nuclei of Comets103P/Hartley 2 and 9P/Tempel 1
Groussin, O. et al. (2013)
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Some pretty pictures in there. Right up your street.
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Like trying to herd cats, you mob.

How did the Earth get its water? Asteroid sample gives a surprising answer





Surprising???

Not really from an electric comet standpoint but very much for the mainstream.

So, steenkh, why not comets?
You completely avoided steenkh's question. Myself, RC and the seemingly (sadly) departed Tusenfem, are used to this behaviour. The question was;

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Where does all the water come from? The Electric Comet has no viable mechanism for producing this from rock without electric forces that would have been very apparent, if they had been there.
I would further add, for steenkh's benefit, that even with this impossible, invisible electric woo, there is still no mechanism.
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We only need one to throw a spanner in your short sighted and floored[ flawed (fixed for English speakers) reasoning. We have several now including one we are currently orbiting.

So have a real go ya mug..
Gibberish. This has nothing to do with your failed woo. Start with pointing out where the EDM (lol) was. Finish by explaining why all the asteroids on very eccentric orbits aren't outgassing.
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Errrm, which one looks at the surface in IR? Would it be V(IR)TIS? What did they look at the surface of Tempel 1 and Hartley 2 in? Guess what? The most active area of Hartley 2, where the CO2 jets and ice were spewing out, were a wee bit colder (unsurprisingly) than areas that were less active;

The temperature, thermal inertia, roughness and color of the nuclei of Comets103P/Hartley 2 and 9P/Tempel 1
Groussin, O. et al. (2013)
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Some pretty pictures in there. Right up your street.
Resolution is unable to resolve microscopic spark erosion.

You still thinking giant lightning bolts from space or some version of it. That removes asteroid and comet from planetary surface not dust form comet surfaces.

The fakestream are not looking for this so remain ignorant.

Simple.
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You completely avoided steenkh's question. Myself, RC and the seemingly (sadly) departed Tusenfem, are used to this behaviour. The question was;



I would further add, for steenkh's benefit, that even with this impossible, invisible electric woo, there is still no mechanism.
Charge separation and electric fields.

Do we charge separation at 67p?
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Resolution is unable to resolve microscopic spark erosion.

You still thinking giant lightning bolts from space or some version of it. That removes asteroid and comet from planetary surface not dust form comet surfaces.

The fakestream are not looking for this so remain ignorant.

Simple.
You have no mechanism. No science. No evidence. All you are left with is lies and woo. Get over yourself. The CO2 and ice are resolved spectroscopically. You lose again. You must be getting used to it by now. Having clue zero about any science is not helping you. Take some online courses.
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Are they?



We see them at asteroids, so why not comets.
You tell me why they are not found on comets. Or why the electric fields on asteroids do not cause asteroids to send out streams of ice like comets do.
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Resolution is unable to resolve microscopic spark erosion.

You still thinking giant lightning bolts from space or some version of it. That removes asteroid and comet from planetary surface not dust form comet surfaces.

The fakestream are not looking for this so remain ignorant.

Simple.
Lol. Sol's religious beliefs take him off into la-la land again. Go take your meds, and have a lie down. Leave science to those that have a reasonable understanding of it.
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Charge separation and electric fields.

Do we charge separation at 67p?
Nope. Nothing beyond the Debye length. By definition. And how is that causing EDM (lol) woo? And non-existent discharges? And non-existent rock? Address your failures. I suggest psychiatric help. Science is not going to help, as you have clue zero about any of it. Just like your high priests. Eh?
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So, steenkh, why not comets?
Why not what comets? You were asked about comets, and you answer about asteroids, and asteroids have practically no water, even they have more than expected (0.05%). Considering that you think that comets and asteroids are the same, one wonders why there is so much less water on asteroids?
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You tell me why they are not found on comets. Or why the electric fields on asteroids do not cause asteroids to send out streams of ice like comets do.
He can't. Science really is not Sol's strong point. He needs to rely on other wooists to tell him what to say.
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Why not what comets? You were asked about comets, and you answer about asteroids, and asteroids have practically no water, even they have more than expected (0.05%). Considering that you think that comets and asteroids are the same, one wonders why there is so much less water on asteroids?
Trust me, steenkh, you could go back at least a decade and a half, and none of these clowns have been able to answer that. They don't do science.
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You tell me why they are not found on comets. Or why the electric fields on asteroids do not cause asteroids to send out streams of ice like comets do.
We do at both.
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Trust me, steenkh, you could go back at least a decade and a half, and none of these clowns have been able to answer that. They don't do science.

Yawn...

Asteroids and comets are a continuum.

Dead comets are asteroids and active asteroids are comets.

Mainstream has no definition so can make up whatever they want.

This has been discussed a few pages back.

You have read Asteroid–comet continuum objects in the solarsystem?
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Asteroids and comets are a continuum.



Dead comets are asteroids and active asteroids are comets.
It seems that asteroids that you claim are dead comets mainly have orbits where live comets are inactive. Did they die of boredom?


[/quote]Mainstream has no definition so can make up whatever they want.[/quote]

And Electric Comet has no physics, which allows you to make up whatever you want?
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Old 4th May 2019, 11:39 PM   #3549
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Short cut the whole argument.

The physics is charge seperation of the solar wind plasma and cometary plasma, including the charged dust.

The plasma process, more or less “zaps” the visually obvious rock to charged dust and releasing ALL the water trapped in side. Mainstream interpretation is sublimation, this has shown to quite inadequate.

Can’t believe how bleed’n simple the physics is, really.

Do you believe there is an ambipolar electric field at comet 67P?
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Old 5th May 2019, 01:28 AM   #3550
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Short cut the whole argument.

The physics is charge seperation of the solar wind plasma and cometary plasma, including the charged dust.
It has been my impression that there is no charge separation close to the surface where you need it. Care to explain?

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Can’t believe how bleed’n simple the physics is, really.
Could it be your problem that you do not understand the complexities of real physics?
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And there you go...
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Old 5th May 2019, 05:09 AM   #3552
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Short cut the whole argument.

The physics is charge seperation of the solar wind plasma and cometary plasma, including the charged dust.

The plasma process, more or less “zaps” the visually obvious rock to charged dust and releasing ALL the water trapped in side. Mainstream interpretation is sublimation, this has shown to quite inadequate.

Can’t believe how bleed’n simple the physics is, really.

Do you believe there is an ambipolar electric field at comet 67P?
Talking out of your backside is not going to alter the fact that your woo has failed. Is it? What have ambipolar fields got to do with anything? I keep asking, you keep avoiding. And how many times do you need to be told that you cannot release water from hydrated minerals without a large heat source, which you haven't got and which is not seen.
Stop making crap up.
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Old 5th May 2019, 05:11 AM   #3553
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
We do at both.
Which is another lie.
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
And there you go...
Yep. Another accurate comment on your scientific illiteracy. All you have is a belief system. No science, no mechanisms, no evidence. You are no better than a creationist.
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The main problem here is that, by definition, anybody that believes this electric comet woo is scientifically illiterate. Trying to discuss science with such people is, therefore, a waste of time. They are too ignorant to realise how ignorant they are.
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
And there you go...
Was that your explanation of how non-existent charge separation at the surface level of the comet can provide the high energies needed for releasing water from hydrated minerals?
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Was that your explanation of how non-existent charge separation at the surface level of the comet can provide the high energies needed for releasing water from hydrated minerals?
You weren't expecting any science, were you?
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The usual lies, delusions, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years. This post is one or more of
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The usual lies, delusions, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years. This post is one or more ofFor others: This is Sol88's persistent and irrelevant insanity about "Whipple's model" of the 1950's being the modern mainstream scientific model of comets. Scientific models (unlike the insane dogma of the electric comet) are continuously updated as more empirical evidence is gathered. 70 years of empirical evidence and scientific progress has resulted in a more complete and better working model.
The other rational posters here agree that as more empirical evidence is gathered the working mainstream model of comets will be updated.
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