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Old 29th May 2019, 09:46 AM   #3761
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Sublimation you say? Ok.
No, everybody says.
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Old 29th May 2019, 09:49 AM   #3762
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Failed wo0?

https://mobile.twitter.com/Rosetta_R...72223619334145


Elias Odelstad seems to think I’m on the money. Do you agree jonesdave116?
Which is nothing to do with your failed woo. Where are the discharges? Where is the EDM (lol)? Where is the rock? Where is the vapour coming from? Why is there ice on/ in comets? Et boring cetera. You lost. Remember?
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Old 29th May 2019, 09:49 AM   #3763
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Sublimation you say? Ok.
Yeah, **** science!
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Old 29th May 2019, 01:31 PM   #3764
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Cool, are you able to explain the chameleon?
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Usual insanity of asking about and citing mainstream science when this thread is about his non-science electric comet insanity.
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Old 29th May 2019, 01:36 PM   #3765
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Where do you think the O2 is coming from?
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Usual insanity of asking already answered questions again and again. His electric comet insanity cannot explain the detection of O2 with science. We have rational, scientific sources for O2, e.g. O2 ices deposited during comet formation.
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Old 29th May 2019, 01:39 PM   #3766
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Sublimation you say? Ok.
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A blatant "Sublimation you say" lie when the preceding post was What the hell has this got to do with your failed woo?
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Old 29th May 2019, 01:58 PM   #3767
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Elias Odelstad seems to think I’m on the money.
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A totally insane lie.
  1. A delusion that a tweet is scientific literature.
  2. A delusion that Elias Odelstad would agree with anyone who is ignorant/deluded enough believe in the electric comet insanity.
  3. An insane lie about the contents of the tweet which is an image with mainstream points about cometary plasma of 67P and Halley.
    No electric comet insanity there.
  4. Many lies about what Sol88 has written here is the main insanity !
    That image is a list of mainstream science that Sol88 is ignorant or deluded about. Thus
    Sol88 lies that he has written that the plasma environment of 67P is different from Halley.
    Sol88 lies that he has written that collisions are less important at 67P.
    Sol88 lies that he has written that warm electrons imply negative V/c
    Sol88 lies that he has written that E-fields are important for plasma dynamics.
    Sol88 lies that he has written that ions are faster than neutrals inside the diamagnetic cavity.
    Sol88 lies that he has written that ion-neutral friction is not responsible for the diamagnetic cavity.
    Sol88 lies that he has written that there is a dynamic and variable plasma environment with plenty of plasma waves.
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Old 29th May 2019, 02:26 PM   #3768
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Yeah, **** science!
Meh... just happy to see mainstream Dirtysnowballers acknowledge the fact ELECTRIC FIELDS are important for plasma dynamics.


How important? Electric comet important that requires there to be electric fields or Dirtysnowball important were there maybe electric fields but there not doing anything.

Olestad also shatters jd116’s make believe world of how the diamagnetic cavity forms.

Lost that one too jd116....


Double layers, here we come baby.
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Old 29th May 2019, 02:27 PM   #3769
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Originally Posted by Reality Check View Post
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A totally insane lie.
  1. A delusion that a tweet is scientific literature.
  2. A delusion that Elias Odelstad would agree with anyone who is ignorant/deluded enough believe in the electric comet insanity.
  3. An insane lie about the contents of the tweet which is an image with mainstream points about cometary plasma of 67P and Halley.
    No electric comet insanity there.
  4. Many lies about what Sol88 has written here is the main insanity !
    That image is a list of mainstream science that Sol88 is ignorant or deluded about. Thus
    Sol88 lies that he has written that the plasma environment of 67P is different from Halley.
    Sol88 lies that he has written that collisions are less important at 67P.
    Sol88 lies that he has written that warm electrons imply negative V/c
    Sol88 lies that he has written that E-fields are important for plasma dynamics.
    Sol88 lies that he has written that ions are faster than neutrals inside the diamagnetic cavity.
    Sol88 lies that he has written that ion-neutral friction is not responsible for the diamagnetic cavity.
    Sol88 lies that he has written that there is a dynamic and variable plasma environment with plenty of plasma waves.
Are electric fields important reality check?
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Meh... just happy to see mainstream Dirtysnowballers acknowledge the fact ELECTRIC FIELDS are important for plasma dynamics.


How important? Electric comet important that requires there to be electric fields or Dirtysnowball important were there maybe electric fields but there not doing anything.

Olestad also shatters jd116’s make believe world of how the diamagnetic cavity forms.

Lost that one too jd116....


Double layers, here we come baby.
Just give up with this idiocy, yes? It has already been explained how they think the DC forms at 67P. It is electron-neutral friction. Your problem is that a DC forms at all. That prevents the solar wind getting anywhere near the nucleus, and totally screws your water production mechanism woo. The lack of a magnetic signal tells us that no electric woo, such as EDM (lol), is happening within that cavity. It also shows us that the amount of vapour from sublimation is sufficient to produce a DC. Therefore it is no help to your failed woo, is it?
And if you think plasma physicists don't think electric fields are important in plasma, then you have obviously never read a text book on the subject. Which would explain why you know nothing about the subject, along with the rest of the EU wooists.
And you do not need electric fields. You need EDM (lol), you need discharges, you need Earth rock. You don't have it. You failed. Why are you still here?
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Are electric fields important reality check?
Show me where any EU loon has written about electric fields at comets. And what they expect them to do. None of the idiots who wrote this garbage have clue one about plasma physics, do they?
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Are electric fields important reality check?
Is scientific integrity important, Sol88?
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Show me where any EU loon has written about electric fields at comets. And what they expect them to do. None of the idiots who wrote this garbage have clue one about plasma physics, do they?
Just happy to see you mob catch up, that’s all.
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Just give up with this idiocy, yes? It has already been explained how they think the DC forms at 67P. It is electron-neutral friction. Your problem is that a DC forms at all. That prevents the solar wind getting anywhere near the nucleus, and totally screws your water production mechanism woo. The lack of a magnetic signal tells us that no electric woo, such as EDM (lol), is happening within that cavity. It also shows us that the amount of vapour from sublimation is sufficient to produce a DC. Therefore it is no help to your failed woo, is it?
And if you think plasma physicists don't think electric fields are important in plasma, then you have obviously never read a text book on the subject. Which would explain why you know nothing about the subject, along with the rest of the EU wooists.
And you do not need electric fields. You need EDM (lol), you need discharges, you need Earth rock. You don't have it. You failed. Why are you still here?
Electron neutral friction...


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Sol88 lies that he has written that ion-neutral friction is not responsible for the diamagnetic cavity.
Sol88 has always said ion neutral friction was not responsible for the diamagnetic cavity but the electric field does.

Seems a few mainstreamers agree.
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Are electric fields important reality check?
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Meh......
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Usual insane lie. He knows as in the papers he has cited that electric fields have been part of the mainstream comet model for decades.
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So, let's do a word search in the Electric Comet woo poster by Thornhill & Talbott. 'Plasma' is what we'll look for, but only where they apply it to comets;

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Growing electrical stresses initiate discharges and the formation of a glowing plasma sheath, appearing as the coma and tail.
Whoops, that would be the dust that is 'glowing'! Not a good start.

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The jets’ explode from cometary nuclei at supersonic speeds and retain their
coherent structure for hundreds of thousands of miles. The collimation of
such jets is a well-documented attribute of plasma discharge.
Whoops again! You can't see the plasma. Once again, for the hard of thinking, that is sunlight reflecting from dust and sometimes ice.

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The tails of comets reveal well-defined filaments extending up to tens of millions of miles without dissipating in the vacuum of space. This “violation” of neutral gas behavior in a vacuum is to be expected of a plasma discharge within the ambient electric field of the Sun.
That's dust, dummies! How many times?

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The comet spends most of its time far from the Sun, where the plasma voltage is low relative to the Sun. In remote regions, the comet moves slowly and its charge easily comes into balance with its surroundings.
WTH is 'plasma voltage'? Where has it been measured? Why isn't it affecting asteroids on highly elliptical orbits? Another bunch of unscientific nonsense.

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The comet's charge, developed in deep space, responds to the new environment by increasing internal electric polarization and by forming cathode jets and a visible plasma sheath, or coma.
Been there, done that. No cathode jets. Lol. No visible plasma sheath. Repeat after me; it is sunlight reflecting off of dust. Write it out 1000 times until it penetrates what counts for the collective EU brain.

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Most of the voltage difference between the comet and the solar plasma is taken up in a double layer of charge, called a plasma sheath, that surrounds the comet. When the electrical stress is great enough, the sheath glows and appears as the typical cometary coma and tail. Diffuse electrical discharges occur in the sheath and at the nucleus, radiating a variety of frequencies, including x-rays.
Oh dear! No double layer. And what 'voltage difference'? There isn't one. And why is this not happening at asteroids? And what 'electrical stress'? What the hell does that even mean? This garbage was obviously written by non-scientists. And the sheath does not 'glow'. That is sunlight.......................................... . you get the picture!

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The highest voltage differences occur at the comet nucleus and across the plasma sheath. So where the sheath is most compressed, in the sunward direction, the electric field is strong enough to accelerate charged particles to x-ray energies. That may explain recent crescent-shaped x-ray images in relation to the comet nucleus and the Sun.
No voltage difference of any note. You might get a healthy one at asteroids, but.......well, you know! And nothing is being accelerated to x-ray energies. We have known for some years that those x-rays are from charge exchange between solar wind heavy ions and cometary neutrals.

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All that is required to trigger the comet fragmentation is an electrical breakdown within the comet. And that breakdown in the comet may happen with any sudden change in the solar plasma environment. The more sudden the change in the comet's electrical environment, the more likely that flaring and fragmentation will occur. NASA scientists were astonished to observe a remarkable 300,000 km wide flare-up of comet Halley between the orbits of Saturn and Uranus. (Under the assumptions of the “snowball” theory the nucleus should be frozen and inert at that distance.) But in the electrical model the event was no accident. It followed some of the largest solar flares ever recorded.
Lol. These people obviously don't know the sublimation temperature of CO2 and CO! And 67P copped at least one solar flare. Nothing much happened, flaring up wise.

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The electrical model also explains why we should expect long-period comets to put on a brighter display than short-period comets. The long-period comets spend a longer time in a region of lower plasma potential than the short-period comets. Consequently, their voltage difference on their approach to the Sun will be higher, leading to a brighter and more energetic discharge.
Haha. How is this 'plasma potential' arising in the quasi-neutral solar wind?


Well, that is most of the crap. Not gone well, has it?
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Electric comet important that requires there to be electric fields ....
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Usual insane lie about his electric comet insanity that requires an imaginary, enormous solar electric field.
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Just give up with this idiocy, yes? It has already been explained how they think the DC forms at 67P. It is electron-neutral friction. Your problem is that a DC forms at all. That prevents the solar wind getting anywhere near the nucleus, and totally screws your water production mechanism woo. The lack of a magnetic signal tells us that no electric woo, such as EDM (lol), is happening within that cavity. It also shows us that the amount of vapour from sublimation is sufficient to produce a DC. Therefore it is no help to your failed woo, is it?
And if you think plasma physicists don't think electric fields are important in plasma, then you have obviously never read a text book on the subject. Which would explain why you know nothing about the subject, along with the rest of the EU wooists.
And you do not need electric fields. You need EDM (lol), you need discharges, you need Earth rock. You don't have it. You failed. Why are you still here?

Do you need an electric field to have EDM on the surface of a comet?

Rhetorical

Yes you do.

Do we have any? Yes we do. Are these electric fields important for the plasma dynamics? Very important.

These electric fields that Olestad talks about affect the mostly rocky nucleus.

Can’t wait for Tusenfems confirmation of this fact in his new paper.
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Just happy to see you mob catch up, that’s all.
Catch up with what? Show me where any EU loon has written about electric fields at comets. Show me one EU plasma physicist, for that matter. There is nothing to catch up on. You lot do not understand plasma physics, and real plasma physicists do. End of story.
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Olestad also shatters jd116’s make believe world of how the diamagnetic cavity forms.
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A lie that jonesdave116 stated that the diamagnetic cavity forms from ion-neutral friction.
jonesdave116 has cited the mainstream literature on the diamagnetic cavity around comets made of ices and dust and how the resulting interaction of the solar wind and coma forms the diamagnetic cavity. That published scientific literature may include formation from ion-neutral friction. Or it may explicitly exclude it.

Usual insane lie about his electric comet insanity that has no diamagnetic cavity.

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Electron neutral friction...




Sol88 has always said ion neutral friction was not responsible for the diamagnetic cavity but the electric field does.

Seems a few mainstreamers agree.
Is a lie. They still say that ion-neutral friction was the responsible mechanism at Halley. Here they favour electron-neutral friction. Nothing to do with electric fields, for crissake!
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Double layers, here we come baby.
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Usual insane lie about his electric comet insanity that has no double layers.

A deluded lie that the tweet leads to double layers.

An insane threat to waste our time again by bringing up his irrelevant delusion about double layers at comets yet again !
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Just happy to see you mob catch up, that’s all.
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An insane "you mob catch up" lie when he knows he is talking about decades old physics as in papers he has cited.
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Electron neutral friction...
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A couple of more lies about the tweet he cited: Many lies about what Sol88 has written here is the main insanity !
It is ion-neutral friction that is not responsible at 67P. Electron-neutral friction also exists regardless of his stupid sarcasm. The tweet is comparing Halley's diamagnetic cavity to 67P's diamagnetic cavity. Basic reading comprehension says that ion-neutral friction is responsible at Halley's comet.

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Do you need an electric field to have EDM on the surface of a comet?

Rhetorical

Yes you do.

Do we have any? Yes we do. Are these electric fields important for the plasma dynamics? Very important.

These electric fields that Olestad talks about affect the mostly rocky nucleus.

Can’t wait for Tusenfems confirmation of this fact in his new paper.
The electric field, if it exists, has nothing to do with the impossible, unobserved EDM (lol) woo. It did not happen. It is impossible. It would stick out like a sore thumb if it did. You are talking out of your backside, as usual. This is due to your total ignorance of plasma physics.
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Sol88 ...
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Sol88 lies because he has never said anything scientific or rational about what is responsible for the diamagnetic cavity.

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Old 29th May 2019, 03:54 PM   #3788
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Seems a few mainstreamers agree.
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Sol88 lies because no mainstreamer has agreed with his ignorant delusions about comets or the diamagnetic cavity.
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Old 29th May 2019, 03:55 PM   #3789
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Do you need an electric field to have EDM on the surface of a comet?
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His electric comet insanity of EDM at comets.
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Old 29th May 2019, 03:58 PM   #3790
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However, close enough to the comet nucleus, in the region where the electrons start to suffer collisions with neutrals, i.e. at distances smaller than the electron exobase, the electron–neutral viscous friction dynamically couples the electron fluid to the radially expanding cometary neutral flow. As a result, the electron fluid should also be directed outward in this collisional region and the interplanetary magnetic field can no longer enter deeper inside the close comet environment: the frontier of the magnetized region therefore scales as the frontier of the electron collisional region.
Diamagnetic region(s): structure of the unmagnetized plasma around Comet 67P/CG
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Old 29th May 2019, 03:59 PM   #3791
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
These electric fields that Olestad talks about affect the mostly rocky nucleus.
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Yet more insane lies about that Olestad tweet which was about plasma hundreds of kilometers from the nucleus of ices and dust comets.
Many lies about what Sol88 has written here is the main insanity !
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Old 29th May 2019, 05:26 PM   #3792
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Show me where any EU loon has written about electric fields at comets. And what they expect them to do. None of the idiots who wrote this garbage have clue one about plasma physics, do they?
Your smart enough, no need for me to embarrass you.

I mean is so simple its stupid!
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Old 29th May 2019, 08:26 PM   #3793
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This is the insanity that the stupid fantasies of the deluded thunderbolts cult have anything to do with actual science, e.g. what electric fields do and which electric fields exist in the real world.

An insane lie because the inked web page is not about anything that the EU loons have written. It is a history of electromagnetism and comets that a thunderbolts idiot is lying about.
The past had rational scientists using the science of their day to explain the world including comets. They made understandable mistakes, e.g. Oliver speculated that comets were habitable bodies. Electricity was so they applied it in ways that we would find laughable today such as ideas that comets were electrical.
William Gilbert (24 May 1544 – 30 November 1603) was not a deluded EU loon.
Otto von Guericke (November 20, 1602 – May 11, 1686) was not a deluded EU loon.
Stephen Gray (December 1666 – 7 February 1736) was not a deluded EU loon.
Hugh Hamilton (26 March 1729 – 1 December 1805) was not a deluded EU loon.
Andrew Oliver Jr. ~1772 AD was a rational comet researcher, not a deluded EU loon.
Comte de Lacépčde 26 December 1756 – 6 October 1825) was not a deluded EU loon.

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Old 30th May 2019, 01:26 AM   #3794
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Your smart enough, no need for me to embarrass you.

I mean is so simple its stupid!
I see nothing from electric universe idiots. Please specify what was written and who wrote it.

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Okay, so we have nothing, other than the poster written by T & T again. So, let's do another word search on 'field', and ignore the non-observed, impossible radial electric field of the Sun, which is failing to affect asteroids on highly elliptical orbits!

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The electrical model explains the observations: an electric field accelerates matter in the jet; an electromagnetic “pinch effect” provides densities in the thin jets many orders of magnitude higher than those predicted from simple radial sublimation; and instabilities and fluctuations suddenly relocate jets in exceedingly short periods of time.
Really? Which matter in the jets is it accelerating? Neutrals, as observed? How is that happening? Large dust particles? How? Electrons and ions in the same direction? Where did these people go to school? The only putative field so far discussed is an ambipolar field, somewhere above the electron exobase. And that is proposed purely to explain the velocity of the ions, which are not coupled to the neutrals, as they were at Halley. This retards electrons, so cannot accelerate them, or anything else negatively charged. Next;

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The highest voltage differences occur at the comet nucleus and across the plasma sheath. So where the sheath is most compressed, in the sunward direction, the electric field is strong enough to accelerate charged particles to x-ray energies. That may explain recent crescent-shaped x-ray images in relation to the comet nucleus and the Sun.
Errrm, no. As explained, the x-ray signatures are from charge exchange reactions between the solar wind and cometary neutrals. And if this is happening at comets, why isn't it happening at asteroids on elliptical orbits?


And that's your lot. Not very impressive, is it?
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So how do the suprathermal electrons fit into that?

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Old 30th May 2019, 07:02 AM   #3796
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So how do the suprathermal electrons fit into that?

Into what, the Electric Comet Theory?

That's for you to say, as you are the only one active in this thread who knows what The Electric Comet Theory is.

But hey, that's been true since Day One, and it seems that you have yet to say anything substantive about The Electric Comet Theory, so what's another year or three of waffle, eh?
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So how do the suprathermal electrons fit into that?
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His electric comet insanity has no suprathermal electrons which is real world observations, not those deluded fantasies.
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This retards electrons, so cannot accelerate them, or anything else negatively charged. Next;
The suprathermal electrons are coming from the nucleus along with the ions....how?

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Suprathermal electrons are accelerated by an unknown mechanism from a few eV upward to 100 s of eV and play an important role in the electron-neutral chemistry as well as in dust grain charging (Cravens et al. 1987; Mendis & Horányi 2013; Gombosi et al. 2015).
Suprathermal electron environment of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko: Observations from the Rosetta Ion and Electron Sensor



Any ideas on this unknown fantastic mechanism for accelerating charged particles including charged dust, jonesdave116?

Only see on thing being retarded here...
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So how do the suprathermal electrons fit into that?

What have suprathermal electrons got to do with anything?


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The suprathermal electron distribution can have solar wind origin or can be produced by photoionization, or it can be accelerated inward through various processes such as ambipolar electric field.
Suprathermal electrons near the nucleus of comet67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko at 3 AU: Modelcomparisons with Rosetta data
Madanian, H. et al. (2016)
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The usual lies, delusions, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.

His electric comet insanity has no suprathermal electrons which is real world observations, not those deluded fantasies.
Funnily enough the Dirtysnowball should not have them and the mainstream bangers can’t explian them either.

Do you think an electric field maybe evolved in the accelerating of the suprathermal electrons?
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