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Old 3rd June 2019, 02:47 PM   #3841
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A repeated, insane demand to discuss textbook physics that has nothing to do with his electric comet insanity. Over a decade of posing about his electric comet insanity and he has never understood or just denied all physics!

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Old 3rd June 2019, 02:49 PM   #3842
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A repeated, insane demand to discuss textbook physics that has nothing to do with his electric comet insanity. Over a decade of posing about his electric comet insanity and he has never understood or just denied all physics!
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The insanity that comets are metal spacecraft !
Usual insane lies about his electric comet insanity that is not comets charging up in the solar wind like the charging of spacecraft.
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An insane lie about posters in this thread. We have been agreeing with basic facts about comets for the last 10 years !

This is a trivial fact that has been explained to him over and over again thus the insanity of his lie. One last time: Comet coma and tails have ions and electrons. That is charges that are separated. The coma and tail have complex interactions with the solar wind. That gives turbulence and thus transient concentrations of charges - more "charge separation".

The usual insane lies about his electric comet insanity which is not about the known charge separation in comet coma and tails.

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Protopapa et al (2018) Icy Grains from the Nucleus of Comet C/2013 US10 (Catalina)
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We present Infrared Telescope Facility/SpeX and NEOWISE observations of the dynamically new comet C/2013 US10 (Catalina), hereafter US10, from 5.8 au inbound, to near perihelion at 1.3 au, and back to 5.0 au outbound. We detect water ice in the coma of US10, assess and monitor the physical properties of the ice as insolation varies with heliocentric distance, and investigate the relationship between water ice and CO2. This set of measurements is unique in orbital coverage and can be used to infer both the physical evolution of the ice, and, potentially, the nucleus composition. We report (1) nearly identical near-infrared spectroscopic measurements of the coma at −5.8 au, −5.0 au, +3.9 au (where <0 au indicates pre-perihelion epochs), all presenting evidence of water-ice grains, (2) a dust-dominated coma at 1.3 and 2.3 au and, (3) an increasing CO2/Afρ ratio from −4.9 to 1.8 au. We propose that sublimation of the hyper-volatile CO2 is responsible for dragging water-ice grains into the coma throughout the orbit. Once in the coma, the observability of the water-ice grains is controlled by the ice grain sublimation lifetime, which seems to require some small dust contaminant (i.e., non-pure ice grains). At $| {R}_{{\rm{h}}}| \geqslant 3.9\,\mathrm{au}$, the ice grains are long-lived and may be unchanged since leaving the comet nucleus. We find that the nucleus of comet US10 is made of, among other components, ~1 μm water-ice grains containing up to 1% refractory materials.
Insanity of insulting the authors of a paper.

Insanity of insulting the contents of a paper that he is probably not read and is incapable of understanding.

Writes yet again an insane level of denial of physics. This paper is standard spectroscopy that has been around for well over a century. Water ice, CO2 and dust have identifiable spectral lines which the paper uses to identify them ! A relationship between CO2 and water ices suggest that it is sublimation of CO2 that dragged the grains into the coma. The composition of the comet nucleus is partially "~1 μm water-ice grains containing up to 1% refractory materials.".

The insanity of thinking that Comet C/2013 US10 (Catalina) is comparable to Comet 67P. Or maybe a standard bit of insanity of thinking that all comets have to be the same?
C/2013 US10 (Catalina) is an Oort cloud comet discovered on 31 October 2013 ...
67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko (abbreviated as 67P or 67P/C-G) is a Jupiter-family comet,[8] originally from the Kuiper belt...
Different origins. Very different orbits (Catalina is in a hyperbolic orbit and will be ejected). Very different histories - Catalina is on its one and only trip close to the Sun, 67P has been active since Jupiter perturbed its orbit in 1840.

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Total nonsense. You are neither sufficiently qualified, nor knowledgable enough to understand, let alone criticise the paper. If you believe otherwise, show us where she has gone wrong. I won't hold my breath.

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Additionally, all the spectra with water-ice absorptions are nearly identical and consistent with the presence of solid water-ice particles on the order of 1 µm in diameter spatially
They assumed spherical ice grains.

Makes using Mie scattering completely useless, like the paper that’s you used to prove comets are MOSTLY ICE.

Ice detected at comets is not in question. How it ends up being detected in small minute amounts in a a dust-dominated coma is.

Funnily enough ice can spontaneously form in a plasma environment and respond to electric fields.

Hydrated minerals such as those detected on comets and asteroids, after becoming fully ionised by electron impact are able to achieve the production of “pure” aspherical ice grains from the released “water”.


Actually, the paper is full of such assumptions. Dust to ice ratio for instance.

Even A’HEARN, who was referenced throughout the paper said,
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(c) What are comets made of?

At the simplest level, a very basic question is whether comets are mostly ice or mostly rock/dirt/refractory material. Whipple’s [2] model of the dirty snowball, the first quantitative model, envisioned cometary nuclei as mostly ice, although our understanding has been evolving more toward mostly rock, particularly for 67P/C-G for which refractory/volatile ratios as high as 6 have been cited [3,4].
Was that the best paper you could find jonesdave116, to “prove” the Dirtysnowball?
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Protopapa et al (2018) Icy Grains from the Nucleus of Comet C/2013 US10 (Catalina)

Insanity of insulting the authors of a paper.

Insanity of insulting the contents of a paper that he is probably not read and is incapable of understanding.

Writes yet again an insane level of denial of physics. This paper is standard spectroscopy that has been around for well over a century. Water ice, CO2 and dust have identifiable spectral lines which the paper uses to identify them ! A relationship between CO2 and water ices suggest that it is sublimation of CO2 that dragged the grains into the coma. The composition of the comet nucleus is partially "~1 μm water-ice grains containing up to 1% refractory materials.".

The insanity of thinking that Comet C/2013 US10 (Catalina) is Comet 67P?

This Paper say that paper is shiet.


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Conclusions. In the framework of the presented model, which can be considered common in terms of assumptions and physical parameters in the cometary community, the dust removal by a gas drag force is not a plausible physical mechanism. The sublimation of not only water ice, but also of super-volatile ice (i.e., CO) is unable to remove dust grains for illumination conditions corresponding to 1.3 AU. Awayoutof this impasse requires revision of the most common model assumption employed by the cometary community.
Even the mainstream players seem to struggle with the Dirtysnowball.


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Irrelevant insanity about a mainstream paper detecting water ice grains at a comet. Probable lie about the paper which has no spherical water ice grains in the abstract.
Stupidity that his insane level of ignorance and denial of physics means he can conclude anything meaningful about any physics paper.

Protopapa et al (2018) Icy Grains from the Nucleus of Comet C/2013 US10 (Catalina)

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Repeats his insane insult of A’HEARN believing that comets are Sol88's insanity of rock. No astronomer believes in the electric comet insanity because they are not totally ignorant and deluded about comets!

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... like the paper that’s you used to prove comets are MOSTLY ICE.
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Usual lies about other posts.
Sceince has no proof - it has evidence. There is evidence that most comets are MOSTLY ICE, e.g. their density. There is evidence that a few comets are MOSTLY DUST (67P and maybe Tempel 1). There is no evidence that any comets are his electric comet insanity of rock.

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Makes using Mie scattering completely useless, ...
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The usual insane ignorance of physics because Mie scattering is mainly used in atmospheric scattering from spherical particles. A Google suggests that it may be used for scattering from cometary dust particles.

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They assumed spherical ice grains.
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An insane lie about the quote:
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Not only is there no Mie scattering, there is the explicit statement of absorption in the spectra !
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How it ends up being detected in small minute amounts in a a dust-dominated coma is.
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Usual insane lies about mainstream papers.
Protopapa et al (2018) Icy Grains from the Nucleus of Comet C/2013 US10 (Catalina) states clearly how water ice grains were detected through their absorption spectra.
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Funnily enough ice can spontaneously form in a plasma environment and respond to electric fields.
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Usual insane lies about his electric comet insanity which includes no working physics.

Spontaneous formation of nonspherical water ice grains in a plasma environment is that a laboratory plasma where water is injected can form non-spherical water ice grains in certain conditions. This should have relevance to dusty plasmas formed from existing spherical and non-spherical ice grains.

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This Paper say that paper is shiet.
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Blatant insanity that a 2017 paper on 67P cites or debunks a 2018 paper on comet Catalina !

Is near-surface ice the driver of dust activity on 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko Published 04/2017.

Icy Grains from the Nucleus of Comet C/2013 US10 (Catalina) Published 2018 July 31.
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Yawn, poor reality check.


So sad.

Please feel free to get the page count up and clock over another 100.

Cheers.

Actually, I just had to add, the times you contradict yourself is absolutely hilarious.

Good on ya champ, allways good for a giggle.
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Even the mainstream players seem to struggle with the Dirtysnowball.
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Usual "Dirtysnowball" insanity and lies when this is a thread on his electric comet insanity and there is no "Dirtysnowball".

For others: Mainstream comets have been described for decades as "dirty snowballs" based on the evidence that comets are made of ices and dirt and that ices should dominate from their formation in the early solar system and histories. There is a lot more gases in the outer solar system than dust, thus the gas giants with their ice moons, and icy bodies such as Pluto, etc.
Against this we have a couple of comets that have measured high ratios of dust to ices - Tempel 1 (up to 50% ices) and 67P (up to 17% ices). Mainstream astronomers take this is evidence that we need to emphasize the dust part of ices and dust comets.

1 deceased astronomer (Michael A'hearn (November 17, 1940 – May 29, 2017) ) had the opinion in his probably last paper that that astronomy was evolving toward comets being more dust than ices. No sane astronomer thinks that comets are made of actual rock which is why Sol88 associating any astronomer with the electric comet madness is an insult. Associating the deceased and unable to defend himself (Michael A'hearn) is an insane insult, especially given decades of papers on comets made of ices and dust.
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It is his persistent repeating of lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years that has made this electric comet insanity thread so long. It has been months or years since he has posted anything relevant to his electric comet insanity, e.g. any evidence that comets are made of rock blasted from rocky planets such as basalt or granite or limestone or sandstone. All we have got for those months or years is irrelevant lies and delusions about mainstream comets and insane lies about the electric comet stupidity.

If Sol88 wants to spend the next few decades spewing out the same posts with the same ignorance, lies, insults and delusions, I will keep telling the world how insane the posts are. Starting with the fundamental insanity of years of lying about the electric comet insanity:
Comets are made of actual rock (basalt, etc.) and Sol88 lies about his delusion of "special comet rock".
There is a solar electric field that charges up comets and Sol88 lies about every mention of the term "electric field" everywhere except around the Sun !
Comets are blasted from rocky planets (thus must be made of basalt, etc.) and Sol88 lies by omitting this insanity.
The blasts are from electric discharges between planets and moon and Sol88 lies by omitting this insanity.
Comet surfaces are machined by physically impossible EDM (needs a dielectric fluid) and Sol88 lies by omitting this insanity.
Come jets are electrical discharges and Sol88 has fallen for that obvious insanity !
Insane ignorance about comet coma and Sol88 may share the same insanity.
Insane ignorance about comet tails and Sol88 may share the same insanity.

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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.

An insane lie about the quote:

Not only is there no Mie scattering, there is the explicit statement of absorption in the spectra !
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This result implies that it is plausible that aspherical ice grains are commoninnaturally occurring plasmas (Saturn’s rings, polar mesosphere clouds, and molecular clouds) in which case existing modelsassuming spherical grains wouldhave toberevised.

Does it make a difference reality check? Aspherical or spherical?
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.

It is his persistent repeating of lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years that has made this electric comet insanity thread so long. It has been months or years since he has posted anything relevant to his electric comet insanity, e.g. any evidence that comets are made of rock blasted from rocky planets such as basalt or granite or limestone or sandstone. All we have got for those months or years is irrelevant lies and delusions about mainstream comets and insane lies about the electric comet stupidity.

Well the Dirtysnowball is dead and you have no current model.

As a A’Hearn stated comets appear to be mostly ROCK.

I didn’t say comets are mostly rock the preeminent cometary scientist of the time says OUR understanding has been evolving towards MOSTLY ROCK.

Blasted off planets???? Who knows.

You most definitely don’t.
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Usual insanity of wasting our time with questions on irrelevant mainstream science in an electric comet insanity thread.
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Usual insane lies about mainstream comets in an electric comet insanity thread.

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As a A’Hearn ...
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Usual insane insult of A’Hearn as explained many times.
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I didn’t say comets are mostly rock....
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Usual insult that any astronomer would state that mainstream comets made of ices and dust are the electric comet insanity of actual rock.
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Blasted off planets???? Who knows.
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Usual insane lie about the electric comet insanity where he and his cult prophets do know. The electric comet insanity has the dogma that comets were blasted off rocky planets.
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Old 3rd June 2019, 05:49 PM   #3870
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Our little discussion front the very start of these thread was I (the electric comet mob) said comets are rock and not ice.

Confirmed by the preeminent cometary scientist of the time A’Hearn, comets are MOSTLY rock, dirt, refractory material.

Confirmed in this paper.

The Nucleus of Comet 67P/ChuryumovGerasimenko - Part I: The Global View – nucleus mass, mass loss, porosity and implications

Keyword IMPLICATIONS for the Dirtysnowball.
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You most definitely don’t.
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.

An insane lie because he has known for over 10 years that we (the rational, knowledgeable part of the world) do have evidence of the composition and origins of comets.
For example:
  • Over 70 years of measurements that comets have densities less than water and so are not the electric comet insanity of rock !
  • Stardust returned dust from a comet that was formed in space, not rocky planets.
    No basalt. No granite. No limestone. No sandstone. !
  • The orbits of comets do not start at rocky planets !
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Repeats his insane insult of the deceased ices and dust comet astronomer A’Hearn who confirmed that his electric comet is insane (comets are not rocks blasted by planets, etc. ).

Usual insanity of a mainstream paper confirming that his electric comet is insane (comets are not rocks blasted by planets, etc. ).
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B]The Nucleus of Comet 67P/ChuryumovGerasimenko - Part I: The Global View – nucleus mass, mass loss, porosity and implications [/b]
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Usual insane lies about mainstream papers !

The Nucleus of comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko – Part I: The global view – nucleus mass, mass-loss, porosity, and implications does not state that comets are actual rock as in the electric comet insanity.
Neither does Comets: looking ahead by Michael F. A’Hearn

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They assumed spherical ice grains.

Makes using Mie scattering completely useless, like the paper that’s you used to prove comets are MOSTLY ICE.

Ice detected at comets is not in question. How it ends up being detected in small minute amounts in a a dust-dominated coma is.

Funnily enough ice can spontaneously form in a plasma environment and respond to electric fields.

Hydrated minerals such as those detected on comets and asteroids, after becoming fully ionised by electron impact are able to achieve the production of “pure” aspherical ice grains from the released “water”.


Actually, the paper is full of such assumptions. Dust to ice ratio for instance.

Even A’HEARN, who was referenced throughout the paper said,

Was that the best paper you could find jonesdave116, to “prove” the Dirtysnowball?

I don't need to prove anything. You are incapable of understanding, let alone criticising, the paper. You are an unqualified crank. You have published nothing. You are scientifically illiterate and innumerate.
Ice at comets is a done deal. Tempel 1 saw to that. That is where your impossible woo died. And then at Hartley 2. Lots of ice. Detected and seen in pretty pictures. You failed. Get over it. And then go away. You are wasting everybody's time with your idiotic woo.
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4 more useless post.

98,98,98 here we come.
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Our little discussion front the very start of these thread was I (the electric comet mob) said comets are rock and not ice.

Confirmed by the preeminent cometary scientist of the time A’Hearn, comets are MOSTLY rock, dirt, refractory material.

Confirmed in this paper.

The Nucleus of Comet 67P/ChuryumovGerasimenko - Part I: The Global View – nucleus mass, mass loss, porosity and implications

Keyword IMPLICATIONS for the Dirtysnowball.

Nope. Show me the detection of rock at comets, or shut it.
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Keyword IMPLICATIONS for the Dirtysnowball.
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.

Usual lies about words used in mainstream ices and dust comet papers.

It is an insane insult that the deceased Michael A'Heran with hundreds of ices and dust comet papers wrote about the insanity of comets being rock blistered from rocky planets in
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c) What are comets made of?

At the simplest level, a very basic question is whether comets are mostly ice or mostly rock/dirt/refractory material. Whipple’s [2] model of the dirty snowball, the first quantitative model, envisioned cometary nuclei as mostly ice, although our understanding has been evolving more toward mostly rock, particularly for 67P/C-G for which refractory/volatile ratios as high as 6 have been cited [3,4].
The words "rock/dirt/refractory material" in a mainstream comet paper refer to the mainstream dust part of comets.

It is a lie that "implications" in the title of a mainstream ices and dust comet paper means there is any support for the insanity of comets being rock blistered from rocky planets. The implications are for mainstream ices and dust comets !
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Funnily enough ice can spontaneously form in a plasma environment and respond to electric fields.
Wrong. Learn to read. They injected water vapour into their apparatus! So, where is the water vapour coming from at comets? From ice. As observed. This is what I mean about you being incapable of understanding even straightforwardly described science papers. Stick to mythology-based woo. Leave the science to those that have an understanding of it.
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4 more useless post.

98,98,98 here we come.
A bit rich coming from somebody who has never made a single scientifically valid post in a decade and a half!
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