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25th May 2019, 04:22 PM | #601 |
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17th June 2019, 09:17 AM | #602 |
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When the police catch a contract killer they almost always are willing to cut a deal if the killer will testify against the person who paid for the murder.
If abortion is to be treated like murdder, and If the opening statement is true Then shouldn't the current round of anti-abortion laws have prison time for people who pay for abortions? |
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27th June 2019, 05:07 AM | #603 |
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Alabama woman indicted for Manslaughter after she miscarries following being shot in the stomach.
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27th June 2019, 07:37 AM | #604 |
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Okay. That's seriously crazy.
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27th June 2019, 08:51 AM | #606 |
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Alabama? The state that recently approved church police forces? Shocking!
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27th June 2019, 12:14 PM | #608 |
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Oh I'm sorry I misspoke.
We're "having a civil discussion about" whether or not it's absolutely insane to charge a pregnant woman with miscarriage after someone else shoots her. Next we'll "have a civil discussion" about whether or not killing someone and wearing their face like a mask to their children's birthday party is appropriate behavior. |
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27th June 2019, 01:18 PM | #614 |
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Seems like refusing to allow a religious organization to do what non-religious organizations get to do is discrimination against religion.
That's a consistent and defensible position, and I might even agree with it. But it's unlikely to win the day. |
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27th June 2019, 01:53 PM | #616 |
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Besides the church/state issue (which is a monstrously huge problem), universities with police forces tend to have at least hundreds if not thousands of students living on their property.
While I'm in agreement that universities shouldn't have police forces either, at least they have what could reasonably be called a "population." Churches don't. Also, they're ******* churches and shouldn't be permitted to be involved in law enforcement. |
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Misquoted.
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I think it's clear that couple of the die hard GOPers here have no problem living in a oppressive theocracy so long as they get their damn tax cuts.
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Having a police department doesn't mean you get to make the laws. Such a police department would be legally constrained to enforce the same laws as any other police department, so I'm not seeing how you get to "oppressive theocracy". I mean, I get the general objection to non-government entities having police, which applies to secular universities too, but otherwise this just seems like animosity to religion, which is neither good legal grounds nor effective politics.
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This seems like a better story:
https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2...dismissed.html It's still seriously messed up. Charge her with assault, not manslaughter.
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It's also interesting that they tried to prosecute the other woman first, but a grand jury wouldn't even indict her. I thought that any prosecutor worth his salt could "indict a ham sandwich"? How weak does your case have to be if a grand jury won't even indict? Maybe that's what happens here, too. We'll see. |
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1st July 2019, 09:26 AM | #624 |
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Grand juries only see what the prosecutor wants them to see. The whole "indict a ham sandwich" thing comes from the fact that a prosecutor can present a very skewed picture of the available evidence. Prosecutors aren't supposed to do that, but they can and sometimes do. But not always. If they're acting ethically, they will present a fairly complete picture of the available evidence. And in such cases, the grand jury may refuse to indict if the case is weak. A less ethical prosecutor with the same case might be able to secure an indictment, though.
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1st July 2019, 11:28 AM | #625 |
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For any rational consistency, the woman as well would be charged, but she is specifically exempted for no logical reason, as far as I can see. The seek to punish the hit man but not the person who ordered the hit.
The prosecutor is probably being ethical, under a certain set of ethics. She's not going to be prosecuted, though. The DA will hem and haw and drop the charges. They screwed up not seeking an assault charge. |
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