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Old 8th March 2021, 09:06 AM   #1841
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It may have been reported upthread, but at least a couple of Roger Stone's bodyguards were later involved in the Capitol riot/insurrection.

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Old 8th March 2021, 09:10 AM   #1842
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Yeah, that was Richard Barnett of Arkansas. He went a little nuts during a bail hearing. I understand his frustration. He was hoping to get out on bail and this is the second time they pushed the bail decision into the future. I believe his next hearing will be on May 4th.

This guy probably doesn't get it. He became an icon of the insurrection by sitting with his feet up on Pelosi's deck. They are going to make an example out of him. There will be people who will avoid prison but he's certainly headed there.
If convicted.
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Old 8th March 2021, 09:49 AM   #1843
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If convicted.
Yes, of course, 'if convicted'.

But unless there will be some kind of jury nullification he's going down. Keep in mind that this White Supremacist will likely be tried in DC not Arkansas.

How fun.
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Old 8th March 2021, 11:05 AM   #1844
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Yes, of course, 'if convicted'.

But unless there will be some kind of jury nullification he's going down. Keep in mind that this White Supremacist will likely be tried in DC not Arkansas.

How fun.
I worry about the one or two forever trumpers on the jury to throw a wrench in things.
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Old 8th March 2021, 11:17 AM   #1845
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Originally Posted by Resume View Post
I worry about the one or two forever trumpers on the jury to throw a wrench in things.
I'm curious - is a murder case the only case where the decision must be unanimous? Or am I mixing up civil and criminal?

ETA: It appears the Supreme Court decided just last year that criminal trials must be unanimous.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/sup...imous-n1187846
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Old 8th March 2021, 11:22 AM   #1846
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Originally Posted by Resume View Post
I worry about the one or two forever trumpers on the jury to throw a wrench in things.
I get it. This is going to be less likely in DC which Is the most Democratic place in the country. Trump received 8% of the vote there.
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Old 8th March 2021, 12:20 PM   #1847
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
I'm curious - is a murder case the only case where the decision must be unanimous? Or am I mixing up civil and criminal?

ETA: It appears the Supreme Court decided just last year that criminal trials must be unanimous.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/sup...imous-n1187846
All criminal trials, though it would be a hung jury in the event of a hold out and not an acquittal, that also requires unanimity.
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Old 8th March 2021, 12:32 PM   #1848
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
I'm curious - is a murder case the only case where the decision must be unanimous? Or am I mixing up civil and criminal?

ETA: It appears the Supreme Court decided just last year that criminal trials must be unanimous.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/sup...imous-n1187846
Wow. Total news to me. Apparently Louisiana and Oregon allowed criminal convictions on a split vote, which I had never heard of before. A unanimous vote has been required in my state for at least as long as it's been a state, and I thought all states followed that rule.

It does not have to be a murder charge; any criminal conviction requires a unanimous vote.
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Old 8th March 2021, 12:53 PM   #1849
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I worry about the one or two forever trumpers on the jury to throw a wrench in things.
As long as bail is denied, these folks will stay locked up until an outright acquittal. I am kind of surprised that people have been denied bail. In murder cases they will often set it at some high figure they know the defendant can't afford, but technically they could get out on bail.

I want the riot participants to really think on whether the photo opp was worth the years (in some cases) of freedom they will lose.

But oy, some of those demonstrators were so clueless - imagine their shock at realizing they are criminals and will be looked at that way for a good long time. "Waah! We were storming the Capitol and they Maced me!" What did these people expect?

I know some of them are dangerous but a lot of them are just easily manipulated crybabies who thought their little exercise in chaos could actually overturn democracy. There are sadly a lot of misinformed people who for reasons I can't fathom trust Trump, and believe he will help them when they need it.
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Old 8th March 2021, 01:56 PM   #1850
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Yes, of course, 'if convicted'.

But unless there will be some kind of jury nullification he's going down. Keep in mind that this White Supremacist will likely be tried in DC not Arkansas.

How fun.
Is Barnett a white supremacist? I haven't heard that.

ETA: Never mind. I can Google. Here's a story which quotes him claiming to be a white nationalist.

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"I am white," posted Barnett, in a page he maintains under a pseudonym. "There is no denying that. I am a nationalist. I put my nation first. So that makes me a white nationalist."
Though, to be honest, he's redefined the term so that it means a white person who puts his nation first, not a person who wants a white-dominated nation. Is there anything more explicit to suggest he's a supremacist?

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Old 8th March 2021, 02:24 PM   #1851
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Is Barnett a white supremacist? I haven't heard that.

ETA: Never mind. I can Google. Here's a story which quotes him claiming to be a white nationalist.



Though, to be honest, he's redefined the term so that it means a white person who puts his nation first, not a person who wants a white-dominated nation. Is there anything more explicit to suggest he's a supremacist?
No, I had read he said he was a white nationalist. Seems likely he thinks this is clever.

Anyway, he's going to be tried in DC. He called himself a smart man yet he has provided enough evidence proudly that proves his guilt. His little stunt alone of taking Pelosi's mail is a felony. It's not just theft. It is the theft of US mail.
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Old 8th March 2021, 02:54 PM   #1852
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Are there any black nationalists? Hispanic? Other ethnic group?

The dude is a white nationalist making excuses.
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Old 8th March 2021, 04:41 PM   #1853
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white nationalist = wants a "white" ethnostate
white supremacist = "whites" are superior to every other "race"

Distinct ideas though they heavily overlap.
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Old 8th March 2021, 04:49 PM   #1854
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Originally Posted by Venom View Post
white nationalist = wants a "white" ethnostate
white supremacist = "whites" are superior to every other "race"

Distinct ideas though they heavily overlap.
Sounds to me like a distinction without a difference.

Barnett is basically saying I have rights and they don't. The difference? Their race.
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Old 8th March 2021, 07:47 PM   #1855
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Originally Posted by Venom View Post
white nationalist = wants a "white" ethnostate
white supremacist = "whites" are superior to every other "race"

Distinct ideas though they heavily overlap.
What about "white supremists"? Well, that's how I hear it pronounced half the time.
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Old 8th March 2021, 08:58 PM   #1856
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What about "white supremists"? Well, that's how I hear it pronounced half the time.
And my penchant for correct pronunciation results in this irking me. Especially from those I would hazard are reasonably well educated.
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Old 9th March 2021, 04:11 AM   #1857
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Is Barnett a white supremacist? I haven't heard that.

ETA: Never mind. I can Google. Here's a story which quotes him claiming to be a white nationalist.



Though, to be honest, he's redefined the term so that it means a white person who puts his nation first, not a person who wants a white-dominated nation. Is there anything more explicit to suggest he's a supremacist?
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white nationalist = wants a "white" ethnostate
white supremacist = "whites" are superior to every other "race"

Distinct ideas though they heavily overlap.
Sounds to me like a distinction without a difference.

Barnett is basically saying I have rights and they don't. The difference? Their race.
Yup. Because I am white, I have the luxury of not having my race as part of my identity in a way that many others would - it's rarely come up so I haven't have had to think about it.

You also don't need to give a racist the benefit of the doubt. He was almost certainly very pleased with his sophistry, but as you say. It's a distinction without a difference.
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Old 11th March 2021, 07:40 AM   #1858
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What about "white supremists"? Well, that's how I hear it pronounced half the time.
The White Supremes were a terrible singing group that paled* in comparison to the legendary Motown group.


* Pun intended
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Old 12th March 2021, 01:19 PM   #1859
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The White Supremes were a terrible singing group that paled* in comparison to the legendary Motown group.


* Pun intended
Yup. And their dresses aren't anywhere near as attractive.
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Old 17th March 2021, 05:07 AM   #1860
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Trump on Fox phone in yesterday

Our Supreme Court and our courts didn't have the courage to overturn elections"
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Old 17th March 2021, 11:18 PM   #1861
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump on Fox phone in yesterday

Our Supreme Court and our courts didn't have the courage to overturn elections"
Fox is complicit in promoting this crap. As Frank Meeink, a reformed White Supremacist says, Fox helped radicalize the far right and they continue to do so by giving Trump a platform to spread his lies. Fox is nothing but a propaganda machine.
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Old 18th March 2021, 12:42 AM   #1862
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump on Fox phone in yesterday

Our Supreme Court and our courts didn't have the courage to overturn elections"
The courts in Russia and Belarus must be the kind of really brave courts Trump wants.
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Old 20th March 2021, 05:56 PM   #1863
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Wasn't the inauguration supposed to happen today?
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Wasn't the inauguration supposed to happen today?
It happened; the Fake Media isn't reporting on it. Trump is in the Oval Office now and Biden is running for Mexico. Only Tucker Carlson and Hannity are telling us the Real Truth.
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Old 20th March 2021, 07:26 PM   #1865
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It happened; the Fake Media isn't reporting on it. Trump is in the Oval Office now and Biden is running for Mexico. Only Tucker Carlson and Hannity are telling us the Real Truth.
This is the sort of nonsense you get from stupid sources when someone doesn't kick Tucker C fair in the balls every time he utters one of these bilge-spews publicly.
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As long as bail is denied, these folks will stay locked up until an outright acquittal. I am kind of surprised that people have been denied bail. In murder cases they will often set it at some high figure they know the defendant can't afford, but technically they could get out on bail.

I want the riot participants to really think on whether the photo opp was worth the years (in some cases) of freedom they will lose.
I wouldnít count on many of them realizing the error of their ways.

Given that a poll of Trump voters a few years ago showed that they thought whites were discriminated against more than members of any other race and that Christians were discriminated against more than members of any other religion, I suspect these goofballs will consider themselves political prisoners who are being kept down by a corrupt and biased system.
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If anyone in the FBI had the foresight, they would put everyone on the 'incarcerated because of Jan 6th." list on the Aryan Brotherhood list straight away.
Just saves time.
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It's been revealed that Off. Brian Sicknick died from a series of strokes.

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